can any of you meet during the daytime this coming week to discuss a more written response for the Bike Commission & others as Michael suggested?  ( I strongly support bike paths, by the way  I just think the salting impact & non permeable surface ought to be up for discussion to minimize impacts - more so the salting.)   Otherwise, I could meet after 7:30 monday - but plan commission may not be over with then.  Wednesday, I have a class at 7 pm but could meet closer to 5 until ~ 6:30, to help construct a more complete statement.  Any other ideas?

John

Bert Hagemeyer wrote:

 John,  I had not realized you were trying to compile a calendar of events regarding fscb. Thank you.  Thanks to y Michael also.  I will try and make it to the planning commission meeting Monday April 16th.  I would imagine that the commission will take under advisement the need for a study of the purposed lake, its relationship with Starkweather Creek and its base flow.  But you never know.   As for other scheduled hearings regarding Starkweather creek  and its dignity, I feel we should have a very strong and well delivered response prepared, to present before the city council on May 4th.  Let us devote some time to this cause!  As for bike paths and biking along the corridor,  I feel there is at times some mixed use conflicts, but in the grand scheme, bikes  and bikers are an affiliation that we need  to befriend in order to  link corridors.

----- Original Message -----

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To: fscb@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [fscb] general business

Bret,

I'm trying to put together a calendar of meetings.  It's been difficult because the city web site is not kept updated.  I will need to make several phone calls to try & track 1)  Sam's Club project,  2)  Felland Neighborhood Plan,  3)  East Washington Ave. Rebuild - should be a ble to do this off of the new East Wash reconstruction site which has been mentioned earlier.  If someone else wants to take this on, that is fine.  More than willing to share responsibilities.

I have a class monday at 6 - 7:15 pm.  Who can attend the 6 pm meeting at the plan commission?  This is a big one & we need a good statement from one or several of us in support of the watershed.  The development itself seems to offer many advantages to the watershed.  We just need to make sure the storm water plan - which has not been ready for review yet, includes maximum infiltration instead of shunting into catch / retention basins.  We need that runoff infiltrated as close to the site or origin as possible, not hundreds of feet down the line in some artificial basin.

I also suggest we start suggesting infilling the parking lots around Easte Towne with 5 - 6 story high rise apartments & condos instead of sensitive lands or farm lands - sprawl.  I spoke with a couple people somewhat rhetorically about this & all felt it was a good idea.  We want to see the parking surfaces retrofitted at the least, might as well move people into these spaces, & they can walk to the mall & chain restaurants!  What we need is a good visual proposal from some architect to pitch the possibilities.  Replace the surface lots with parking structures, plant trees, shrubs, native grasses, & make it park like for housing infill.  Put those units where we already have blacktop instead of on fresh ground or where older buildings would otherwise need to be torn down (Felland, Willy Street, Atwood).

Bret Hagemeyer wrote:

Went to speak before the Parks commission Wednesday evening. Karolyn Beebe was also in attendance from our group. I basically stated our concerns with the purposed lake and how it may affect the base flow of Starkweather creek.  The long range planning sub committee for the parks stated their concerns also. I assume a study will take place on this matter before any allowance will be made for the creation of such a lake.  However, as with the Perrier situation, it appears that no regulatory agency has authority to control ground water removal.  It would seem any sort of control on such would need to be stated in the planning stages,i.e. prohibiting ground water depletion for creation and maintenance of a lake.    Onto other matters. A reminder of the trip along the watershed Sunday April 26th leaving at 1pm from the Atwood community center.     Also I spoke with Rebecca Krantz about our list serve.  At this time, being so early in development, we would like to encourage any to get on. As the organization formalizes we may develop another list for a council of sorts to communicate separately, based on the model of the SASYNA.  To get on our list one enters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fscb    It seems to me that advocacy and appealing our cause before various groups of decision makers is critical at this time and probably always.  Therefore we need someone with the willingness and expertise to create a calendar of events and meetings pertaining to the Starkweather creek basin. Rebecca said this could be done through the list serve. Any volunteers?    Tuesday and Thursday we will be getting instruction on how to monitor our stream for the Rock River Watershed.  We will leaving from my house 2134 Linden Ave at 4pm.  I have a station wagon. Anyone interested let me know.  

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Mike - Thanks for raising the question.  I thought I'd share some of my
thoughts for the plan in hopes others will do the same.  I hope that the
plan coming from the Friends of Starkweather Basin will extend the bike
paths, but will also protect Starkweather corridor space (separate from
bikes paving) for quiet places, critters and retreat walking next to the
creek.  (This was also raised as a concern at our first meeting at United
Way).   When you and I got together I think we agreed there are sections of
the creek on one side or the other that lend themselves much more for quiet
space. I'd like to request that especially the west side of the
Starkweather main branch and also the south side of the west branch over to
the Dixon Greenway in particular not be paved.  Others might have  thoughts
about other areas that lend themselves to quieter use or conversely
specifically for bike transportation.  If we can show how to integrate
these needs I think it would be a great contribution. I hope others will
share their ideas as well.  Want to bring your ideas to the  Earth Day
cleanup on Sat. the 20th at Olbrich by the swings and you can get feedback
and ideas there?  We'll be meeting for a picnic at 11:30.  Does Bret have
the maps I gave you?  I'd like to have people see those when considering
options.  Thanks again  Mike.

Betty

At 01:21 AM 4/14/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Coming up on April 23 is the annual PBMVC (Pedestrian Bike Motor Vehicle
>Commission) public forum in which they discuss project funding priorities
>for the coming year. I think it is critical that we put together some sort
>of statement to present to them about use of green space along
>Starkweather creek.
>
>Mark Shahan, a member of the commission, advised me that material is best
>absorbed if we provide a written statement ahead of time. They should
>receive it by this Wed 4/17 for inclusion in the member's packets. At the
>meeting, each speaker will have 3-5 minutes to speak; if we could organize
>some, we could have several speakers talk in sequence.
>
>I think ideally we would have 2 documents: 1) an overview statement of the
>importance of Starkweather ecologically and recreationally, with a broad
>vision of how a greenspace corridor would enhance neighborhoods and
>bike/pedestrian commuting for all of eastside Madison.
>
>And 2) a more detailed section-by section explanation of what we would
>like to see in each area, something similiar to the appendix from the 87
>Starkweather report.
>
>I could try to draft such a statement myself, but I would really
>appreciate help doing it. If anyone would like to come to my house some
>evening and work on it, I'd be delighted. Moreover, I think such a
>statement would be stronger if it comes from our group rather than from
>individuals. Practically, I don't know how we can do this. Perhaps we can
>post a draft here for comments?
>
>
>Bret,
>Glad you spoke at the Park Commission. I wished I could be there. I hope
>they read the long letter I wrote to them, (the same one I posted here).
>
>best,
>Michael
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Bret,

I'm trying to put together a calendar of meetings.  It's been difficult because the city web site is not kept updated.  I will need to make several phone calls to try & track 1)  Sam's Club project,  2)  Felland Neighborhood Plan,  3)  East Washington Ave. Rebuild - should be a ble to do this off of the new East Wash reconstruction site which has been mentioned earlier.  If someone else wants to take this on, that is fine.  More than willing to share responsibilities.

I have a class monday at 6 - 7:15 pm.  Who can attend the 6 pm meeting at the plan commission?  This is a big one & we need a good statement from one or several of us in support of the watershed.  The development itself seems to offer many advantages to the watershed.  We just need to make sure the storm water plan - which has not been ready for review yet, includes maximum infiltration instead of shunting into catch / retention basins.  We need that runoff infiltrated as close to the site or origin as possible, not hundreds of feet down the line in some artificial basin.

I also suggest we start suggesting infilling the parking lots around Easte Towne with 5 - 6 story high rise apartments & condos instead of sensitive lands or farm lands - sprawl.  I spoke with a couple people somewhat rhetorically about this & all felt it was a good idea.  We want to see the parking surfaces retrofitted at the least, might as well move people into these spaces, & they can walk to the mall & chain restaurants!  What we need is a good visual proposal from some architect to pitch the possibilities.  Replace the surface lots with parking structures, plant trees, shrubs, native grasses, & make it park like for housing infill.  Put those units where we already have blacktop instead of on fresh ground or where older buildings would otherwise need to be torn down (Felland, Willy Street, Atwood).

Bret Hagemeyer wrote:

Went to speak before the Parks commission Wednesday evening. Karolyn Beebe was also in attendance from our group. I basically stated our concerns with the purposed lake and how it may affect the base flow of Starkweather creek.  The long range planning sub committee for the parks stated their concerns also. I assume a study will take place on this matter before any allowance will be made for the creation of such a lake.  However, as with the Perrier situation, it appears that no regulatory agency has authority to control ground water removal.  It would seem any sort of control on such would need to be stated in the planning stages,i.e. prohibiting ground water depletion for creation and maintenance of a lake.    Onto other matters. A reminder of the trip along the watershed Sunday April 26th leaving at 1pm from the Atwood community center.     Also I spoke with Rebecca Krantz about our list serve.  At this time, being so early in development, we would like to encourage any to get on. As the organization formalizes we may develop another list for a council of sorts to communicate separately, based on the model of the SASYNA.  To get on our list one enters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fscb    It seems to me that advocacy and appealing our cause before various groups of decision makers is critical at this time and probably always.  Therefore we need someone with the willingness and expertise to create a calendar of events and meetings pertaining to the Starkweather creek basin. Rebecca said this could be done through the list serve. Any volunteers?    Tuesday and Thursday we will be getting instruction on how to monitor our stream for the Rock River Watershed.  We will leaving from my house 2134 Linden Ave at 4pm.  I have a station wagon. Anyone interested let me know.  



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Thanks Michael,

I've been on the city's committee site and that is where I've come across poorly
updated schedules, etc. - alas.  Thanks for
the dates of meetings.  Any idea of what's up with the Sam's Club issues? -
guess I could just wait for the Isthmus article.
Hope nothing is on the horizon soon. If it is, we need to add it to the
schedules.

I can make the meetings on the April 18th, but definitely not the Plan
Commission meetings on April 15th & May 6.  The Plan
Commission is a really  important place to have a presence & get a message
across.  Who can make those meetings?   Both are
on monday evenings.  I like the idea of writing a letter to be read or submitted
in lieu of representation in person.  Better
to have people there, if possible.

We haven't had time to put together and agree on a more detailed statement than
what had been posted earlier (Mission &
Vision / Goals).  That is not to say that there isn't consensus on issues of
linkages, green corridors, etc.  I think there
is.  Can you post your thoughts / letter with or without help from others and we
could work on it via email?  We can make
some generalized statements which would flow from our last organizational
meeting.  I have notes from the meeting but have
not put them into a 'minutes' form yet (and do intend to - will try to fish 'em
out this eve & post).  There clearly are
principles we all seem to share & view as priorities.  One of the main focuses
of the group in the planning process is to
proceed with a more detailed mapping and evaluation of the watershed so that
such statements can more easily be made based on
current conditions / possibilities / needs.  This will guide the priorities list
in terms of what is doable.  I'll work on
putting together my notes and we can add others comments / concerns and together
probably come up with a workable statement
within these constraints.  Any other ideas from other attendees at the previous
meetings?

I want to mention, there has been expressed concern about impermeable surfaces
used for the bike paths.  What are the options
for crushed gravel paths or - better yet, boardwalks through the marsh lands or
other permeable surface construction?  Also,
it has been mentioned that salt is being used on the bike paths during the
winter.  This is a serious issue for the
watershed.  What are the alternatives to salt use on these paths?  Are the bike
paths designated as multi wheel use paths,
i.e., wheelchair / handicapped accessible & is the salt use required because of
this?  I think the watershed group will need
to take a strong stance against salt use - especially within marsh land
corridors.  For all I know, that may already be
prohibited - but I don't know for sure.

Also, have you spoken with Margaret Bergamini regarding the bike path along the
Yahara River Parkway in conjunction with the
East Washington reconstruction?  I could connect you with her, if not.  She
coordinates the Yahara Parkway stewardship group
& has been trying to keep that bike path on the agendas.

John

mrrothbart@... wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The best centralized place I've found for agendas and schedules of upcoming
Madison commission meetings is at:
>
> http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/mayor/mycommit.html
>
> Here is a partial schedule of upcoming meetings. Could we try to have at least
1-2 people at each one?
>
> 4/15 Plan Commission, 6 pm, Felland neighborhood first on agenda
>
> 4/18 Long Range Transportation Planning Commission, 4:30 pm, Felland on
agenda, with PBMVC and Parking Commissions invited
>
> 4/23 Ped-Bike-Motor Vehicle Commission annual community forum, 5 pm
>
> 5/6 Plan Commission, 6 pm
>
> 5/7 Common Council Meeting, 6:45?
>
> Other news:
> The Felland neighborhood plan is now available on the Vandewalle website, at:
http://www.vandewalle.com/felland.html
>
> I spoke to an Isthmus reporter doing a story on Sam's Club. Look for it in
this or next week's issue.
>
> Okay, back to my taxes,
> Michael
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Hi all,

The best centralized place I've found for agendas and schedules of upcoming
Madison commission meetings is at:

http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/mayor/mycommit.html

Here is a partial schedule of upcoming meetings. Could we try to have at least
1-2 people at each one?

4/15 Plan Commission, 6 pm, Felland neighborhood first on agenda

4/18 Long Range Transportation Planning Commission, 4:30 pm, Felland on agenda,
with PBMVC and Parking Commissions invited

4/23 Ped-Bike-Motor Vehicle Commission annual community forum, 5 pm

5/6 Plan Commission, 6 pm

5/7 Common Council Meeting, 6:45?

Other news:
The Felland neighborhood plan is now available on the Vandewalle website, at:
http://www.vandewalle.com/felland.html

I spoke to an Isthmus reporter doing a story on Sam's Club. Look for it in this
or next week's issue.

Okay, back to my taxes,
Michael

Hi all,

Coming up on April 23 is the annual PBMVC (Pedestrian Bike Motor Vehicle
Commission) public forum in which they discuss project funding priorities for
the coming year. I think it is critical that we put together some sort of
statement to present to them about use of green space along Starkweather creek.

Mark Shahan, a member of the commission, advised me that material is best
absorbed if we provide a written statement ahead of time. They should receive it
by this Wed 4/17 for inclusion in the member's packets. At the meeting, each
speaker will have 3-5 minutes to speak; if we could organize some, we could have
several speakers talk in sequence.

I think ideally we would have 2 documents: 1) an overview statement of the
importance of Starkweather ecologically and recreationally, with a broad vision
of how a greenspace corridor would enhance neighborhoods and bike/pedestrian
commuting for all of eastside Madison.

And 2) a more detailed section-by section explanation of what we would like to
see in each area, something similiar to the appendix from the 87 Starkweather
report.

I could try to draft such a statement myself, but I would really appreciate help
doing it. If anyone would like to come to my house some evening and work on it,
I'd be delighted. Moreover, I think such a statement would be stronger if it
comes from our group rather than from individuals. Practically, I don't know how
we can do this. Perhaps we can post a draft here for comments?


Bret,
Glad you spoke at the Park Commission. I wished I could be there. I hope they
read the long letter I wrote to them, (the same one I posted here).

best,
Michael

John

John Steines wrote:

Bret,

I'm trying to put together a calendar of meetings.  It's been difficult because the city web site is not kept updated.  I will need to make several phone calls to try & track 1)  Sam's Club project,  2)  Felland Neighborhood Plan,  3)  East Washington Ave. Rebuild - should be a ble to do this off of the new East Wash reconstruction site which has been mentioned earlier.  If someone else wants to take this on, that is fine.  More than willing to share responsibilities.

I have a class monday at 6 - 7:15 pm.  Who can attend the 6 pm meeting at the plan commission?  This is a big one & we need a good statement from one or several of us in support of the watershed.  The development itself seems to offer many advantages to the watershed.  We just need to make sure the storm water plan - which has not been ready for review yet, includes maximum infiltration instead of shunting into catch / retention basins.  We need that runoff infiltrated as close to the site or origin as possible, not hundreds of feet down the line in some artificial basin.

I also suggest we start suggesting infilling the parking lots around Easte Towne with 5 - 6 story high rise apartments & condos instead of sensitive lands or farm lands - sprawl.  I spoke with a couple people somewhat rhetorically about this & all felt it was a good idea.  We want to see the parking surfaces retrofitted at the least, might as well move people into these spaces, & they can walk to the mall & chain restaurants!  What we need is a good visual proposal from some architect to pitch the possibilities.  Replace the surface lots with parking structures, plant trees, shrubs, native grasses, & make it park like for housing infill.  Put those units where we already have blacktop instead of on fresh ground or where older buildings would otherwise need to be torn down (Felland, Willy Street, Atwood).

Bret Hagemeyer wrote:

Went to speak before the Parks commission Wednesday evening. Karolyn Beebe was also in attendance from our group. I basically stated our concerns with the purposed lake and how it may affect the base flow of Starkweather creek.  The long range planning sub committee for the parks stated their concerns also. I assume a study will take place on this matter before any allowance will be made for the creation of such a lake.  However, as with the Perrier situation, it appears that no regulatory agency has authority to control ground water removal.  It would seem any sort of control on such would need to be stated in the planning stages,i.e. prohibiting ground water depletion for creation and maintenance of a lake.    Onto other matters. A reminder of the trip along the watershed Sunday April 26th leaving at 1pm from the Atwood community center.     Also I spoke with Rebecca Krantz about our list serve.  At this time, being so early in development, we would like to encourage any to get on. As the organization formalizes we may develop another list for a council of sorts to communicate separately, based on the model of the SASYNA.  To get on our list one enters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fscb    It seems to me that advocacy and appealing our cause before various groups of decision makers is critical at this time and probably always.  Therefore we need someone with the willingness and expertise to create a calendar of events and meetings pertaining to the Starkweather creek basin. Rebecca said this could be done through the list serve. Any volunteers?    Tuesday and Thursday we will be getting instruction on how to monitor our stream for the Rock River Watershed.  We will leaving from my house 2134 Linden Ave at 4pm.  I have a station wagon. Anyone interested let me know.
 
 

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I'm trying to put together a calendar of meetings.  It's been difficult because the city web site is not kept updated.  I will need to make several phone calls to try & track 1)  Sam's Club project,  2)  Felland Neighborhood Plan,  3)  East Washington Ave. Rebuild - should be a ble to do this off of the new East Wash reconstruction site which has been mentioned earlier.  If someone else wants to take this on, that is fine.  More than willing to share responsibilities.

I have a class monday at 6 - 7:15 pm.  Who can attend the 6 pm meeting at the plan commission?  This is a big one & we need a good statement from one or several of us in support of the watershed.  The development itself seems to offer many advantages to the watershed.  We just need to make sure the storm water plan - which has not been ready for review yet, includes maximum infiltration instead of shunting into catch / retention basins.  We need that runoff infiltrated as close to the site or origin as possible, not hundreds of feet down the line in some artificial basin.

I also suggest we start suggesting infilling the parking lots around Easte Towne with 5 - 6 story high rise apartments & condos instead of sensitive lands or farm lands - sprawl.  I spoke with a couple people somewhat rhetorically about this & all felt it was a good idea.  We want to see the parking surfaces retrofitted at the least, might as well move people into these spaces, & they can walk to the mall & chain restaurants!  What we need is a good visual proposal from some architect to pitch the possibilities.  Replace the surface lots with parking structures, plant trees, shrubs, native grasses, & make it park like for housing infill.  Put those units where we already have blacktop instead of on fresh ground or where older buildings would otherwise need to be torn down (Felland, Willy Street, Atwood).

Bret Hagemeyer wrote:

Went to speak before the Parks commission Wednesday evening. Karolyn Beebe was also in attendance from our group. I basically stated our concerns with the purposed lake and how it may affect the base flow of Starkweather creek.  The long range planning sub committee for the parks stated their concerns also. I assume a study will take place on this matter before any allowance will be made for the creation of such a lake.  However, as with the Perrier situation, it appears that no regulatory agency has authority to control ground water removal.  It would seem any sort of control on such would need to be stated in the planning stages,i.e. prohibiting ground water depletion for creation and maintenance of a lake.    Onto other matters. A reminder of the trip along the watershed Sunday April 26th leaving at 1pm from the Atwood community center.     Also I spoke with Rebecca Krantz about our list serve.  At this time, being so early in development, we would like to encourage any to get on. As the organization formalizes we may develop another list for a council of sorts to communicate separately, based on the model of the SASYNA.  To get on our list one enters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fscb    It seems to me that advocacy and appealing our cause before various groups of decision makers is critical at this time and probably always.  Therefore we need someone with the willingness and expertise to create a calendar of events and meetings pertaining to the Starkweather creek basin. Rebecca said this could be done through the list serve. Any volunteers?    Tuesday and Thursday we will be getting instruction on how to monitor our stream for the Rock River Watershed.  We will leaving from my house 2134 Linden Ave at 4pm.  I have a station wagon. Anyone interested let me know.  

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Howdy,

First, here's the *Friends of Starkweather Creeks Basin* egroup site:
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fscb/  Thanks Rebecca!

Monday's hearing on the Felland plan: Could someone please type up
the last paragraph of Larry Nelson's recommendations and send it to:
fscb@yahoogroups.com or drop a paper copy off at 220 Merry & I will?
Post anything you think might help. I'll type out key stuff in the future for
the archives, starting with the statement Bret read to the commission on
Sam's Club.  Bret, if it's in: "Starkweather Creek Stream Segments- May
1980" please lead me to the page/paragraph.

The Plan Comission agenda for Monday- April 15 is in:
- http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/clerk/committee/plagenda.htm

First under Public Hearings at 6pm is the Felland project- #6 which follows
a plan for 802-824 Willy. (That one might run a bit beyond 6 judging by the
concerns raised on it at a neighborhood meeting last Thursday.)  -keedo

> "Lawn and disorder: A 'natural' view of landscaping"
> By Craig Wilson, USA TODAY
> http://www.usatoday.com/life/2002/2002-04-12-landscaping.htm

it says "There's tremendous pressure to conform to your neighbors."

So I'd like to see lawns in new developments (Felland project) be
small 'area rugs' and paths among rich communities of natives, like
Prairie Crossing has.
- http://www.prairiecrossing.com/ecolink.htm

I also like their guiding principles for developments:
- http://www.prairiecrossing.com/principles.htm

Karolyn

Or, let's just do a solstice picnic?

John Steines wrote:

June 22 - 23 is the 4th weekend, so it fits into our pre scheduled plans.  Whether to plan another cleanup weekend or instead, maybe an artist draw & paint in, where we invite local & regional artists to go to some portion of the basin, do some drawings / paintings, write a poetry series, etc., then have an exhibit of these somewhere - ? Atwood Community Center, ?Olbrick Gardens.

How about the later.  We could also potentially accept works that had been done in anticipation of this event, i.e., between now & then - or opt to limit the works to pieces done that week (June 15 - 23).  There's my suggestion.  Other thoughts / comments?

John

Karolyn Beebe wrote:

Any ideas for something special FSCB could do sometime in the week of June 15?23?  What's in the attachment is copied below   -kb_____________________________________________From: "Jones, Susan" <jones.susan@...>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:56 AMSubject: Yahara Lakes Week
>  <<last chance.doc>>
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />_____________________________________________
DATE:April 11, 2002
TO:Community Leaders
FROM:Marcia Hartwig, Public Information Officer, 224-3746
RE:YAHARA LAKES WEEK 2002
IT’S NOT TOO LATE.
Perhaps you didn’t receive the first letter, maybe it’s in that “to do” pile or it could be that our letters crossed paths in the mail. Whatever the reason, if you haven’t signed up your group’s activity for Yahara Lakes Week 2002, there’s still time! If you’ve already sent in your form, please disregard this notice. You will be receiving your confirmation letter later this month.
The Dane County Lakes & Watershed Commission collects information about events happening in, on and around Dane County lakes, rivers and streams, June 15?23. The Commission promotes events with a calendar, press conferences and releases, editorials and more. We share information about the variety of activities and opportunities our lakes present as well as provide information on how to protect our lakes and use them responsibly.
Over the years, dozens of organizations and thousands of individuals have taken part in Yahara Lakes Week. Here are just a few ways you and your group can be part of this project:
Sponsor your own event!Return the enclosed form with your information by April 22nd and the Lakes & Watershed Commission will help promote your event as a part of Yahara Lakes Week.
Volunteer!Sign up to Take a Stake in the Lakes and lend a hand on with shoreline clean-ups on June 16 and 23. Call Louise Goldstein at 224-3601 for more information.
Hang posters listing Yahara Lakes Week events. Call me at 224-3746 and I’ll get some to you.
Promote Yahara Lakes Week through your newsletter!Contact me at 224-3746 for newsletter articles on Yahara Lakes Week, events, pollution prevention and other fun facts.
Participate in any and many of the fun-filled events around our lakes this June!
As the contact for Yahara Lakes Week, please feel free to give me a call if you have questions. Also feel free to make copies of the following form and share it with those whom you feel could be a part of this worthwhile event. If you are no longer the appropriate contact person, please pass this on or let us know who the current contact is. Thanks! Hope to see you this spring!
YES!We want to participate in Yahara Lakes Week 2002!
Group/organization name:
Title event/activity group will sponsor:
Description of event/activity and its connection to Dane County’s water resources:
Place of event/activity:
Date and time of event/activity: (See description above)
Contact Person:
Phone: Fax:
Email:

_____________________________________________________________________

Return no later than April 22nd
Fax to:608-224-3745
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June 22 - 23 is the 4th weekend, so it fits into our pre scheduled plans.  Whether to plan another cleanup weekend or instead, maybe an artist draw & paint in, where we invite local & regional artists to go to some portion of the basin, do some drawings / paintings, write a poetry series, etc., then have an exhibit of these somewhere - ? Atwood Community Center, ?Olbrick Gardens.

How about the later.  We could also potentially accept works that had been done in anticipation of this event, i.e., between now & then - or opt to limit the works to pieces done that week (June 15 - 23).  There's my suggestion.  Other thoughts / comments?

John

Karolyn Beebe wrote:

Any ideas for something special FSCB could do sometime in the week of June 15­23?  What's in the attachment is copied below   -kb_____________________________________________From: "Jones, Susan" <jones.susan@...>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:56 AMSubject: Yahara Lakes Week 
>  <<last chance.doc>>
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />_____________________________________________
DATE:April 11, 2002
TO:Community Leaders
FROM:Marcia Hartwig, Public Information Officer, 224-3746
RE:YAHARA LAKES WEEK 2002
IT’S NOT TOO LATE.
Perhaps you didn’t receive the first letter, maybe it’s in that “to do” pile or it could be that our letters crossed paths in the mail. Whatever the reason, if you haven’t signed up your group’s activity for Yahara Lakes Week 2002, there’s still time! If you’ve already sent in your form, please disregard this notice. You will be receiving your confirmation letter later this month.
The Dane County Lakes & Watershed Commission collects information about events happening in, on and around Dane County lakes, rivers and streams, June 15­23. The Commission promotes events with a calendar, press conferences and releases, editorials and more. We share information about the variety of activities and opportunities our lakes present as well as provide information on how to protect our lakes and use them responsibly.
Over the years, dozens of organizations and thousands of individuals have taken part in Yahara Lakes Week. Here are just a few ways you and your group can be part of this project:
Sponsor your own event!Return the enclosed form with your information by April 22nd and the Lakes & Watershed Commission will help promote your event as a part of Yahara Lakes Week.
Volunteer!Sign up to Take a Stake in the Lakes and lend a hand on with shoreline clean-ups on June 16 and 23. Call Louise Goldstein at 224-3601 for more information.
Hang posters listing Yahara Lakes Week events. Call me at 224-3746 and I’ll get some to you.
Promote Yahara Lakes Week through your newsletter!Contact me at 224-3746 for newsletter articles on Yahara Lakes Week, events, pollution prevention and other fun facts.
Participate in any and many of the fun-filled events around our lakes this June!
As the contact for Yahara Lakes Week, please feel free to give me a call if you have questions. Also feel free to make copies of the following form and share it with those whom you feel could be a part of this worthwhile event. If you are no longer the appropriate contact person, please pass this on or let us know who the current contact is. Thanks! Hope to see you this spring!
YES!We want to participate in Yahara Lakes Week 2002!
Group/organization name:
Title event/activity group will sponsor:
Description of event/activity and its connection to Dane County’s water resources:
Place of event/activity:
Date and time of event/activity: (See description above)
Contact Person:
Phone: Fax:
Email:

_____________________________________________________________________

Return no later than April 22nd
Fax to:608-224-3745
email to:hartwig@...
mail to:Marcia Hartwig
Dane County Land Conservation Department
One Fen Oak Court, Room 208
Madison WI 53718-8812
(608) 224-3746



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John Steines wrote:

June 22 - 23 is the 4th weekend, so it fits into our pre scheduled plans.  Whether to plan another cleanup weekend or instead, maybe an artist draw & paint in, where we invite local & regional artists to go to some portion of the basin, do some drawings / paintings, write a poetry series, etc., then have an exhibit of these somewhere - ? Atwood Community Center, ?Olbrick Gardens.

How about the later.  We could also potentially accept works that had been done in anticipation of this event, i.e., between now & then - or opt to limit the works to pieces done that week (June 15 - 23).  There's my suggestion.  Other thoughts / comments?

John

Karolyn Beebe wrote:

Any ideas for something special FSCB could do sometime in the week of June 15?23?  What's in the attachment is copied below   -kb_____________________________________________From: "Jones, Susan" <jones.susan@...>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:56 AMSubject: Yahara Lakes Week
>  <<last chance.doc>>

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />_____________________________________________

DATE:April 11, 2002

TO:Community Leaders

FROM:Marcia Hartwig, Public Information Officer, 224-3746

RE:YAHARA LAKES WEEK 2002

IT’S NOT TOO LATE. 

Perhaps you didn’t receive the first letter, maybe it’s in that “to do” pile or it could be that our letters crossed paths in the mail. Whatever the reason, if you haven’t signed up your group’s activity for Yahara Lakes Week 2002, there’s still time! If you’ve already sent in your form, please disregard this notice. You will be receiving your confirmation letter later this month. 

The Dane County Lakes & Watershed Commission collects information about events happening in, on and around Dane County lakes, rivers and streams, June 15?23. The Commission promotes events with a calendar, press conferences and releases, editorials and more. We share information about the variety of activities and opportunities our lakes present as well as provide information on how to protect our lakes and use them responsibly.

Over the years, dozens of organizations and thousands of individuals have taken part in Yahara Lakes Week. Here are just a few ways you and your group can be part of this project:

Sponsor your own event!Return the enclosed form with your information by April 22nd and the Lakes & Watershed Commission will help promote your event as a part of Yahara Lakes Week.

Volunteer!Sign up to Take a Stake in the Lakes and lend a hand on with shoreline clean-ups on June 16 and 23. Call Louise Goldstein at 224-3601 for more information.

Hang posters listing Yahara Lakes Week events. Call me at 224-3746 and I’ll get some to you. 

Promote Yahara Lakes Week through your newsletter!Contact me at 224-3746 for newsletter articles on Yahara Lakes Week, events, pollution prevention and other fun facts.

Participate in any and many of the fun-filled events around our lakes this June!

As the contact for Yahara Lakes Week, please feel free to give me a call if you have questions. Also feel free to make copies of the following form and share it with those whom you feel could be a part of this worthwhile event. If you are no longer the appropriate contact person, please pass this on or let us know who the current contact is. Thanks! Hope to see you this spring!

YES!We want to participate in Yahara Lakes Week 2002!

Group/organization name:

Title event/activity group will sponsor:

Description of event/activity and its connection to Dane County’s water resources:

Place of event/activity:

Date and time of event/activity: (See description above)

Contact Person:

Phone: Fax:

Email:

_____________________________________________________________________

Return no later than April 22nd

Fax to:608-224-3745

email to:hartwig@co.dane.wi.us

mail to:Marcia Hartwig

Dane County Land Conservation Department

One Fen Oak Court, Room 208

Madison WI 53718-8812

(608) 224-3746

 
 

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How about the later.  We could also potentially accept works that had been done in anticipation of this event, i.e., between now & then - or opt to limit the works to pieces done that week (June 15 - 23).  There's my suggestion.  Other thoughts / comments?

John

Karolyn Beebe wrote:

Any ideas for something special FSCB could do sometime in the week of June 15­23?  What's in the attachment is copied below   -kb_____________________________________________From: "Jones, Susan" <jones.susan@...>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:56 AMSubject: Yahara Lakes Week 
>  <<last chance.doc>>

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />_____________________________________________

DATE:April 11, 2002

TO:Community Leaders

FROM:Marcia Hartwig, Public Information Officer, 224-3746

RE:YAHARA LAKES WEEK 2002

IT’S NOT TOO LATE. 

Perhaps you didn’t receive the first letter, maybe it’s in that “to do” pile or it could be that our letters crossed paths in the mail. Whatever the reason, if you haven’t signed up your group’s activity for Yahara Lakes Week 2002, there’s still time! If you’ve already sent in your form, please disregard this notice. You will be receiving your confirmation letter later this month. 

The Dane County Lakes & Watershed Commission collects information about events happening in, on and around Dane County lakes, rivers and streams, June 15­23. The Commission promotes events with a calendar, press conferences and releases, editorials and more. We share information about the variety of activities and opportunities our lakes present as well as provide information on how to protect our lakes and use them responsibly.

Over the years, dozens of organizations and thousands of individuals have taken part in Yahara Lakes Week. Here are just a few ways you and your group can be part of this project:

Sponsor your own event!Return the enclosed form with your information by April 22nd and the Lakes & Watershed Commission will help promote your event as a part of Yahara Lakes Week.

Volunteer!Sign up to Take a Stake in the Lakes and lend a hand on with shoreline clean-ups on June 16 and 23. Call Louise Goldstein at 224-3601 for more information.

Hang posters listing Yahara Lakes Week events. Call me at 224-3746 and I’ll get some to you. 

Promote Yahara Lakes Week through your newsletter!Contact me at 224-3746 for newsletter articles on Yahara Lakes Week, events, pollution prevention and other fun facts.

Participate in any and many of the fun-filled events around our lakes this June!

As the contact for Yahara Lakes Week, please feel free to give me a call if you have questions. Also feel free to make copies of the following form and share it with those whom you feel could be a part of this worthwhile event. If you are no longer the appropriate contact person, please pass this on or let us know who the current contact is. Thanks! Hope to see you this spring!

YES!We want to participate in Yahara Lakes Week 2002!

Group/organization name:

Title event/activity group will sponsor:

Description of event/activity and its connection to Dane County’s water resources:

Place of event/activity:

Date and time of event/activity: (See description above)

Contact Person:

Phone: Fax:

Email:

_____________________________________________________________________

Return no later than April 22nd

Fax to:608-224-3745

email to:hartwig@co.dane.wi.us

mail to:Marcia Hartwig

Dane County Land Conservation Department

One Fen Oak Court, Room 208

Madison WI 53718-8812

(608) 224-3746

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Dear Parks Commission,

Unfortunately I can not attend your meeting tonight. However, I
wanted to express my opnion on the new Felland neighborhood plan.
Overall, I support the plan, but I have a few concerns.

* Connectivity is a key issue, both within the neighborhood and
between nearby neighborhoods.
	 I applaud the plan for a creekside trail from Cityview Dr to
the corner of Lien and Reiner Road. To be most useful, this trail
must connect all the way to the commercial property planned at the
Lien-Reiner intersection.
	 Also, there are many cul-de-sacs in the development which
MUST have pedestrian access at their dead ends and currently do not.
Examples of this are east of Felland and north of Lien, and on the
west side of the lake.
	 Of more serious concern is the connection of neighborhood
trails to regional trails. Without these connections, the
neighborhood trails lose much of their purpose. Trails are essential
because people who use neighborhood parks and greenspace do not use
them in just one location, but tend to move from one area to another.
Specific concerns are as follows:
1) There needs to be a trail connection under 90-94. The rail
right-of-way is the best alternative, connecting to a path beside
Starkweather Creek at least as far as Thompson-Lien intersection.
There is property zoned Conservation at this location, which could be
parkland, and should be included in the Felland neighborhood plan.
2) From Lien and Reiner there is an opportunity to connect to the
regional Door Creek trail system. While this idea has been discussed,
I don't see any specific mention of it in the Felland neighborhood
plan.
3) A bike trail along the north side of the neighborhood is meant to
be part of a regional Sun Prairoe-Madison trail. However, there is
nom plan in place for how this trail would actually connect to the
park at Congress Ave or to the Nelson neighborhood. This MUST be
resolved before the Felland neighborhood plan should be approved.

* The shore of the new lake should be public park. The current
proposal calls for a pedestrian right of way on private land, with
some pocket parks. This could lead to access problems in the future.
If a lake is going to be built, all must have access, and pedestrian
access circling the entire lake would be best.

* I understand that the developer wants to reduce the size of the
main Lien Road park due to the existance of creekside greenspace and
easements elsewhere in the development. Please do not allow this to
happen. The Lien Road park is currently slated to be just 20 acres.

* I urge the Parks Commission to consider developing a park system
along Starkweather Creek. A proposed Starkweather Creek bike path has
been on the books for many years, and represents the best
bike-pedestrian access from downtown (via the Isthsmus trail) to
rural area east of Madison. Now is the time when this network of
greenspace could still be implemented, if the Parks Commission
supports it. Specifically, I'd like to see the city authorize a study
to fully explore options.

Thanks for your consideration.

sincerely,

Michael Forster Rothbart
Member, Friends of Starkweather Creek Basin
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Bret Hagemeyer wrote:

Fellow Starkweather Creek protectors.  I will try and make it to the Parks commission hearing tonight.  I would like to present our working mission statement, along with a description of our  intended area of membership. I would also like to state that we encourage park and corridor linkages along the stream, however any action taking in these developements at the sacrifice of water quality in and to the stream itself will raise our concerns.

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It is now state law in MN to encourage citizen water quality monitoring.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Shiffert [mailto:dshiffert@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:11 AM
> To: Sustain Dane Listserve (E-mail); Friends of Lake Wingra
> Subject: [sustaindane] Minnesota serious about water quality
>
> Minnesota: Law Encouraging Citizen Water Quality Monitoring Enacted
> NCEL <http://www.ncel.net/> reported last week that SF 2932
> <http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/getbill.pl?number=SF2932&ses%20s
> ion=ls82&version=latest&session_number=0&session_year=2002> , a bill
> introduced by Senator Jane Krentz, has been enacted into law. The
> legislation requires the state's Pollution Control Agency to encourage
> citizen water quality monitoring by providing technical assistance,
> integrating the citizens monitoring data into water quality assessments and
> agency programs, and by seeking private and public funds to promote citizen
> monitoring
> Land & Water Use
> Minnesota: Bill Curbing Phosphorus Lawn Fertilizers Passes House
> The 4/10 Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported last week that the House
> overwhelmingly passed a bill ( HF 1524
> <http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/getbill.pl?session=ls82&version=
> latest&number=HF1524&session_number=0&session_year=> ) that will restrict
> sales of phosphorous lawn fertilizers, which supporters hope will reduce the
> amount of phosphorus that ends up in surface water statewide. The Senate
> passed a similar measure 64 to 1 last month. Supporters say one pound in
> surface water can cause 300 to 500 pounds of algae growth. This costs about
> $200 a pound to remove, which is quite expensive in the land of 10,000
> lakes.
>
> David Shiffert
> Watershed Coordinator
> Friends of Lake Wingra/ Edgewood College Wingra Watershed Project
> 1000 Edgewood College Drive
> Madison, WI 53711
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What time on the 20th, Betty?

At 02:05 PM 4/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Hi all - I wanted to invite you all to an Earth Day event sponsored by our
Friends of the Starkweather Basin group.  On Saturday April 20th we will be
meeting at the swings at Olbrich Park next to the lake (by the b-ball
diamond) for a picnic and then cleanup of trash in Olbrich and along the
lake to Hudson Beach.  All ages are encouraged to join us.  Please bring
gloves.  I'll bring the trash bags.  Could you let me know how many are
planning to come from your household so I can get enough bags?  Thanks and
hope to see you there!

On a different topic, the Felland Development is definitely on the Parks
Commission meeting for Wed. April 10th at Warner Park Community Center but
I didn't see the Sam's Club listed.  The meeting starts at 7:30 if you want
to comment.


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Rebecca Krantz, Facilitator
East Isthmus Neighborhoods Planning Council
2425 Atwood Avenue
Madison, WI 53704
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FYI - Planning for Watershed Sensitive Development - Racine,
Registration due postmark April 10 - wednesday (or $25 additional late
fee if after).

John

Hi all - I wanted to invite you all to an Earth Day event sponsored by our
Friends of the Starkweather Basin group.  On Saturday April 20th we will be
meeting at the swings at Olbrich Park next to the lake (by the b-ball
diamond) for a picnic and then cleanup of trash in Olbrich and along the
lake to Hudson Beach.  All ages are encouraged to join us.  Please bring
gloves.  I'll bring the trash bags.  Could you let me know how many are
planning to come from your household so I can get enough bags?  Thanks and
hope to see you there!

On a different topic, the Felland Development is definitely on the Parks
Commission meeting for Wed. April 10th at Warner Park Community Center but
I didn't see the Sam's Club listed.  The meeting starts at 7:30 if you want
to comment.


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Hello,

I'd like to introduce you to a group that has recently formed and of
which you have likely already heard.  While we remain in an embryonic
state, I ask you to note our email address and help us to stay informed
on issues of import to our watershed.  I believe each of you represent
portions of the Starkweather Basin.  While the core group is dominated
by SASYNA members, we intend to reach out to all neighborhoods with in
the basin for membership & support.  Most important to us at this time
are any meeting notifications regarding either the Sam's Club proposal
or the Felland Neighborhood Plan.

We already have two cleanup events planned for the watershed.  The first
is on Earth Day, April 20th, involving the mouth of the Starkweather
Creeks at Olbrick Park, the second will be on either the 3rd or 4th
saturday in May and be a garbage cleanup from portions of the waterway.
We hope to have a monthly event scheduled around the 4th weekend of
every month through out the year.


Working Mission of Friends of Starkweather Creeks Basin:

The Friends of the Starkweather Creeks Basin are dedicated to
enhancement
of the watershed's environmental quality through direct action
stewardship, community education & advocacy.

Guiding Principles of Visioning / Goals Process:

The Visioning & Goals definition process will be guided by the
watershed's source control (infiltration, ground water recharge, draw
down
of ground water levels by well placement, etc.), stream corridor
protection ( bank stabilization, cleanup, revegetation with natives,
stormwater runoff issues, etc.) and remnant wetlands preservation.

Thanks.

John Steines

Unfortunately, the storm water reports are not  yet completed regarding
this plan.  None the less, the plan can move ahead if those on the
committees so approve it.  Admittedly, the planning seems right minded &
progressive in terms of protecting & even enhancing the watershed.  Two
members of one of the engineering firms who were there & are working on
the Lake issue, claim  that evaporation has been considered and that the
goal is to have a net no loss from the watershed.  One comment from them
was that evaporation would occur over the drainage basin anyway.
Evaporation form a flat lake surface warmed by summer's sun is
significant.  Further more, the lake is near the end of a valley that
sweeps downward toward the west / southwesterly, and will likely have
significant wind patterns, thereby increasing evaporation as that wind
passes over the water surface.

Parks meeting is this wednesday - please see Betty's note.  Other
meetings for this plan are scheduled for next monday, wednesday &
thursday before moving on to regional Planning & the Common Council ?
mid May.

I'll try & put together the details on these meetings & get them out to
this list & elsewhere.  We've got our work cut out for us on both this
one & Sam's Club.  By the way, there are forces on committees & council
who do want to put a stake in the heart of the Sam's Club plan, but they
need our continued verbal presence at  every meeting in support of the
Starkweather Basin.

Thanks.

John

Hello,

Felland Neighborhood Plan Open House. It will take place at
6:30 PM, Monday night (the 8th) at 2910 Crossroads Dr.

I can make it by about 7:30pm.  Hope someone can make it from
beginning.  I'm picking up a copy of the plan from the planning
commission this afternoon to review.

John

Hi all - I wanted to invite you all to an Earth Day event sponsored by our
Friends of the Starkweather Basin group.  On Saturday April 20th we will be
meeting at the swings at Olbrich Park next to the lake (by the b-ball
diamond) for a picnic and then cleanup of trash in Olbrich and along the
lake to Hudson Beach.  All ages are encouraged to join us.  Please bring
gloves.  I'll bring the trash bags.  Could you let me know how many are
planning to come from your household so I can get enough bags?  Thanks and
hope to see you there!

On a different topic, the Felland Development is definitely on the Parks
Commission meeting for Wed. April 10th at Warner Park Community Center but
I didn't see the Sam's Club listed.  The meeting starts at 7:30 if you want
to comment.