Hi Roger and Brad and All :)

Statistics can be manipulated to prove any point. The socio-economic
class of voters should not matter. All are equal by law.

One person = One Vote seems to be the logical way to have a majority
rule. That seems to be the basic premise of democracy.

Except in the United States, it isn't.

Money buys statistics that manipulate the rights of each equal citizen
giving some votes more power, ultimately defeating the majority rule.

It's nothing new, it is how the wealthy classes have kept control over
the governments and lives of the vast majority "underclasses" thoughout
history.

This election process of 2000 is just pointing this out.

> Important Election Statistics:

Important to those elitists who wish to justify manipulating the rights
of individuals and voiding the majority rule, the consitution that
begins with all are created equal, and the logical concept of one person
= one vote.

> Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
> Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million

Counties are continuously re-districted by the people in power since
this country was founded for the purpose of keeping them in power. This
statistic is skewed because the politicians segregate the population
into the counties, therein influencing the statistic of counting
counties.

> Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
> Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000

Rich people own more property than poor people. Property ownership does
not give greater rights to vote or have votes counted according to the
basic premise of our consititution...

all are equal, majority rules, One Person = One Vote.

> States won by Gore: 19
> States won by Bush: 29

Again, where the population is distributed has nothing to do with the
basic premise of One Person = One Vote. The electoral college, created
to protect slave owners and wealthy land owners, stems from feudalism.
The founders of this country were supposedly fighting against feudalism,
monarchies, and other oligargies. Unfortunately, for all their wonderful
ideals and great intentions, they were hypocrits who could sign a
document declaring that all are created equal, but could not actually
create a country in which all are equal.

So over the years changes have come. Slaves were freed, women and blacks
got the right to vote, and the government has had to swallow some
hypocrisy little by little over the last 200+ years.

Eventually we may get the 'all are equal' concept right.

This election may be the spark that starts a new equality-in-reality
fire that demands a wave of public pressure to force further amendments
and re-interpretations of laws to put it out and to come closer to the
original ideals... all are equal.

> Avg Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
> Avg Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1

Scary statistic, but other than being an effective scare tactic, this
can be interpreted in many ways. For instance, people living in places
that have a high crime rate do not believe Bush can help them and
believe Gore can. Bush must be ineffective on crime then. Of course
that's just one interpretation.

Whatever the interpretation, the statistic you present is irrelevant to
the premise that majority rules and each person's vote is equal because
all people are created equal and granted equal rights under the law.

Your response furthered the statistical manipulation of one party, but
did not in any way address the point of the original non-partisan posts
that discussed the fact that majority does not rule in the United States
of America and that we do not have the right to vote for President of
the United States.

>This again is another set of numbers that do not matter.
>
>PEOPLE voting for Gore: 50,140,140
>PEOPLE voting for Bush: 49,782,288

This is because we do not have the right to vote
for President of the United States.

We have the right to vote for representatives
who then vote for the President for us.

Some states mandate that these electors
must vote the way the majority of the state voted.

Some states allow these electors
to change your vote.

In either case, you do no have the right to vote
for your President.

That's the electoral college system.

ric
webbot@...
407-426-7101


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig@...>
To: florida-recount-announce@egroups.com
<florida-recount-announce@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 09, 2000 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FRA] Who really won?


>The following from Professor Joseph Olson's biography at
http://web.hamline.edu/law/faculty/olson.html might help you place this
in perspective -
>
>Prior to joining the faculty, Professor Olson was with Dorsey &
Whitney. While in law school he was elected to the academic honor
society Order of the Coif. He was an officer in the Air Force.
Currently, Professor Olson is president of Academics for the Second
Amendment, and serves on the board of directors of the National Rifle
Association. He is past-president of The Corporate Counsel Association
and has been on the Board of Minnesota Continuing Legal Education.
>
>Roger Helbig
>rhelbig@...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Allie Babe <alliebabe@...>
>To: florida-recount-announce@egroups.com
<florida-recount-announce@egroups.com>; Brad Jensen <brad@...>
>Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:06 PM
>Subject: [FRA] Who really won?
>
>
>> > Important Election Statistics:
>> > Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million
>> > Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million
>> >
>> > Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
>> > Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
>> >
>> > States won by Gore: 19
>> > States won by Bush: 29
>> >
>> > Avg Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2
>> > Avg Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1
>> >
>> > Compiled by:
>> > Professor Joseph Olson
>> > Hamline University
>> > School of Law
>> > St. Paul, Minnesota 55104-1235
>> > Tel. (651) 523-2142
>> > Fax. (651) 523-2236
>> > jolson@...