You got that right. Boy used to be a lot classier in the old days. Now, he's just like everybody else. Showbiz Central (GMA7) is even more horrendous, trust me. None the less, both shows are rubbish.

2009/7/16 Mark Philip Castro <mp_castro@...>

 

You're very right. Yayaman ba ako kung malaman ko yung latest updates sa mga love team? Makakatulong ba sa trabaho ko kung malaman kong nanliligaw si John Lloyd kay Ruffa? Boy and Kris really irritates me the way they try to make their showbiz news very important.

--- In filipinofreethinkers@yahoogroups.com, "Aldrin F.T." <ah.aldrin@...> wrote:
>
> Brilliant allegory! Cheap, unhealthy, addictive junk food = local mainstream
> media. At talagang puro showbiz ang usapan sa balita! Ano ba ang pakialam
> natin kung kiligin ang tingil ni Kris Bernal sa tambalan nila ni Aljur?!!
> (Pardon the language sil vous plait...)
>
> Sorry, venting... :)
>

> 2009/7/15 Mark Philip Castro <mp_castro@...>

>
> >
> >
> > Our local media is just a good example of a low quality candy:
> > - no benefits for body
> > - bad for the health
> > - addicting to cravers
> > - cheap
> >
> > Imagine putting on showbiz news on local prime time. Very informative
> > non-sense. Telenovelas present stupid plots. I can go on and on with this.
> > But it is just plainly irritating.
> >
> > Well on the other hand, I do admire also our media on their capability to
> > provide a crap full of s#$t handed on a silver platter.
> >
> > And by the way,good question by Reighben. Is there really something we can
> > do about this?
> >
> >

> > --- In filipinofreethinkers@yahoogroups.com<filipinofreethinkers%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > John <harmless168@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kulang sa creativity. Ang nakakatawa pa is many of the local movies are
> > blatant copies of foreign movies in terms of plotlines.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: reighben labilles <rewysten@>
> >

> > > To: filipinofreethinkers@yahoogroups.com<filipinofreethinkers%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:18:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [filipinofreethinkers] Re: some person's article defending
> > the involvement of religion in politics. eew.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On that note, have you noticed the shitty acting and writing level our
> > telenovelas and shows have? My god its all the same. Stories on rich people
> > and poor people falling in love, throw in crime, evil bitch/bastard
> > villains, conservative women, macho acting men, gay and ugly people for
> > comic relief, then voila! That's the standard formula for a Filipino show!
> > All our networks are doing is dumbing down the tastes of the masses. eew.
> > >
> > > Question, what will we do, as freethinkers, when the Catholic Church in
> > our country starts behaving like Ratzinger and actually impose doctrines on
> > people?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Aldrin F.T. <ah.aldrin@gmail. com>
> > > To: filipinofreethinker s@yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:42:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [filipinofreethinke rs] Re: some person's article defending
> > the involvement of religion in politics. eew.
> > >
> > >
> > > (I forgot to add the "Bisayas" in my list.)
> > >
> > > I share your points. The things we find funny say a lot about who we are
> > as a culture. I just don't find anything funny with how "maitim" or "mataba"
> > a person is. Certainly, Filipinos can make more intelligent jokes than that.
> > Self-deprecation is fine up to a certain level IMO.
> > >
> > > Something has to be done with mainstream media. Watching local news
> > programmes is torture. It's practically almost tabloid. Do they really have
> > to say "Tatlong katao PATTTTTAAAAY! " or "tingnan niyo 'yung toro oh,
> > sinusuwag 'yung lalaki oh, tingnan niyo mga kapuso oh!" Like what I always
> > say: *I don't mind watching rubbish. But what about the kids?*
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/7/14 reighben labilles <rewysten@yahoo. com>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The problem with our MainstreamMedia is that they reduce social issues
> > (like gay rights, racism, and our culture's scorn towards fatness and
> > non-mestizo looks) to jokes. On one hand, our specific kind of bigotry
> > becomes far less rabid than the US/Eastern European kind due to our
> > propensity to not take them seriously. On the other hand though, it allows
> > those negative beliefs to persist and gives very conservative institutions
> > breathing space to say whatever bile they want.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Aldrin F.T. <ah.aldrin@gmail. com>
> > > >To: filipinofreethinker s@yahoogroups. com
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:32:02 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [filipinofreethinke rs] Re: some person's article defending
> > the involvement of religion in politics. eew.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >IMO, one of the ways to liberalise the people's mindsets is to change
> > what's on telly. Filipinos will never realise the importance of equal rights
> > unless the people on television desist in presenting homosexual
> > relationships, transgender, dark skinned fellows, obesity, non-commercial
> > beauty, etc. as something bad!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >2009/7/14 reighben labilles <rewysten@yahoo. com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>hay nako yun nga eh. That's why when I comment on HuffPo on Religious
> > Right articles, I advocate for creating a liberal counter movement--not to
> > just criticize the religious right but even try to make them liberal. In
> > america, I feel the movement would be actually quite successful because
> > there are many liberals to begin with. In our country's case, do you think
> > it can prosper too? Right now we're very few p rin eh.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: wcyaomuntek
> > > >> <wcyaomuntek@ yahoo.com>
> > > >>
> > > >>To: filipinofreethinker s@yahoogroups. com
> > > >>
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:33:56 AM
> > > >>Subject: [filipinofreethinke rs] Re: some person's article defending
> > the involvement of religion in politics. eew.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>reighben's points are good, but mahirap kasi i-treat ang religious
> > orgs as a singular entity.. hindi lang siya isang tao na nakiki-alam sa
> > pulitika. churches are composed of lots of individual members who are
> > conditioned to follow their church's moral code. so if a new law like Prop9
> > was put to the vote, naturally the voters would apply the moral code that
> > their religion instilled in them and vote accordingly.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>ang hirap kasi, religion meddles in politics indirectly, through the
> > mass support of their flocks whether by block-voting or grassroots campaigns
> > to influence the lawmakers. Its not like the vatican officially hands a
> > direct order to the lawmakers and demands that their order be made into law.
> > Instead they channel their influence through the masses and since democracy
> > tayo, the will of the majority (or at least the "vocal majority") wins.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>For example:
> > > >>>>1. The pope declares that homosexuality is a great evil and must not
> > be given marital rights.
> > > >>>>2. His orders are relayed to the bishops who then disseminates to the
> > pastors who are instructed to preach this in their sunday homilies.
> > > >>>>3. Since christians are required to attend mass, they are subjected
> > to the propaganda.
> > > >>>>4. When the voting for Prop9 is counted, conservative- america wins
> > by a landslide thanks to the prodding of the preachers.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>So religion wins the vote. Not like secular-american can insist that
> > churches not discuss politics in the pulpits, that would be against
> > religious freedom.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>I can't see any way around it. Religion can influence politics but it
> > can claim religious freedom when other people cry foul.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>--- In filipinofreethinker s@yahoogroups. com, reighben labilles
> > <rewysten@ .> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Here's my take on any religion's involvement in politics and
> > governance:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 1. The government can choose to accept a religious institution' s
> > policy/program proposals so long as the enactment of it does not deprive the
> > civil and human rights of people outside the religion's norms.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> 2. Religions are fundamentally free to act out/practice their
> > doctrines so long as they do not force people to accept them.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 3. Religions also must not explicitly or implicitly assert that
> > their doctrines define the country's standard of morality.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 4. Religions, when faced with individuals and groups outside their
> > accepted norms, must at all times be tolerant. They must not incite, commit,
> > or condone acts of bigotry, discrimination, and hate crime against those
> > individuals and groups they they deem outside their accepted norms.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> Yes, the article's writer made that one valid point. However, I
> > simply cannot accept his assertion that God (their version of a bigoted God,
> > which makes it scary) must be present in politics. Yes, the state cannot
> > honor just one religion nor deprive the people of any religion but the
> > conservatively religious myst also accept, that despite their world view,
> > faith and ideology, they have no right to dictate the standards of society.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > >>>>> From: suntoksabwan <suntoksabwan@ ...>
> > > >>
> > > >>> To: filipinofreethinker s@yahoogroups. com
> > > >>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:46:25 PM
> > > >>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [filipinofreethinke rs] some person's article defending
> > the involvement of religion in politics. eew.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think the writer has raised a valid point.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> "The bottom line is that the principle of separation of church and
> > state is to guarantee religious freedom by preventing oppression by the
> > government."
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I would speculate that the framers of the american consti were more
> > concerned about religious freedoms than that of ridding their government of
> > the influence of religion. I think the latter was not yet in vogue in the
> > social milieu that existed then.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> The faithful have opinions on social issues too, and I don't think
> > it is fair to simply discount the utterances of their conscience just
> > because its underpinnings is of the religious kind.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM, rewysten <rewysten@yahoo. com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >http://mamador. wordpress. com/2007/ 10/11/misunderst
> > anding-separatio n-of-church- and-state/
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >>Hello! Its been a long time since I posted in this site. Haha.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >>Just wanted to show the group a site that defends faith in
> > politics. As my own personal faith and ideology is a combination of
> > Liberalism, Deism, and just a touch spiritual elements (which would be
> > considered laughable in this group), I find this article repugnant and
> > gravely backwards. Its also a sample of how opinionated conservatives in our
> > own country thinks like.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>>> >>Has the group read and/or discussed about this topic before?
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Aldrin F.T.
> > > >------------ ---
> > > >ah.aldrin@gmail. com (or yahoo.com)
> > > >http://www.ahaldrin .blogspot. com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aldrin F.T.
> > > ------------ ---
> > > ah.aldrin@gmail. com (or yahoo.com)
> > > http://www.ahaldrin .blogspot. com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

> --
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