My sister thinks that Jesus is God and that he claimed to be God when he was on this earth. I have the view that this is not accurate. As I read scripture,...
According to the Jesus Seminar, who analyzed all of the sayings attributed to Jesus, he did not claim to be God or even the one true son of God. All sayings...
Here's naturally where Pastor Chuck and I disagree. I think the historical record shows very clearly that if there is anything we can be absolutely certain...
It's always a challenge to try and separate our personal beliefs and biases from our attempt to objectively study history, and assess what we know and what we...
Did the historical Jesus (Yeshua) pray to his God in the heavens? We have what is called the Lord's Prayer. It goes: Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed...
Does the behavior of the historical Jesus while on this earth provide evidence of his beliefs? For example: Jesus apparently prayed to his God which we call,...
The last supper is definitely an interesting piece to look at. I can't remember the URL, but I once found a site that showed you the actual greek text...
Here's the thing about religion and God: Whatever floats your boat is fine. Since God/Jesus/Whoever doesn't have physical control over the natural world (He...
Chuck: Your view suggests that what we think does not matter. Since God does not exist...it doesn't matter. Am I correct? But, when we look at our world, this...
On the contrary, what we think is ALL that matters. The trouble with thinking, though, is it stops at your head. Once you get to another head, there's all...
Let me try to explain as a layman historian. Say I am going through documents, newspaper accounts, etc. regarding Seattle's racial tensions in the 1880's, and...
I'm not against all redaction, but I think your redaction is done to fit your preconceived notion of who Jesus is and what you think he said. In many cases,...
The church fathers determined that Jesus was fully human and fully divine, and that his divinity is represented as the second person of the Divine Trinity...
... John 5:45: 45"But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46If you believed Moses, you would...
I believe this argument has somewhat confused the issue, by shifting the definition of terms with clarifying the shift -- and I think that Chuck's made a...
Of course, this analogy conveniently leaves out 200 years of scholarship and study, conflicting accounts even in the canonical gospels, not to mention the...
After reading the various posts, I would agree that we can not prove anything precisely with re: to events 2000 years ago. We all have our various points of...
Hi Tennisforallwi I have spent some time studying these ideas, and want to express some of my ideas in response to your questions. tennisforallwi: After...
Not up to your usually lucid and trenchant responses, Peter. I think you've grown tired of the argument and are taking shortcuts. -- "Andrijeski, Peter"...
David: I have read your responses and tend to agree with practically everything you said. It is interesting that both Jesus and Mohammed did not write...
Hmm, so now I'm not even lucid? How distressing. At least I think there's still a chance that tennisfallallwi and one or two others may be able to deduce the...
I don't see how we could reliably say anything with any authority as historians regarding Jesus, if we can't agree that he said the statements in question....
Response on certainty: My view is that Jesus did not write any words himself. We have no direct evidence (from the historical Jesus) of what he said or meant....
This is correct, we don't have and will never have the sort of evidence that let's us say with *certainty* what Jesus said or meant, and we certainly don't...
Response to Peter. You state that researches have tended to agree on the following: Some Areas in which Historical Scholars Agree (Martin) a.. Jesus was a...
Question for Chuck or Pete: The "Give unto Caesar/God" quote - is that recorded in the Gospel of Thomas? I see it's in 3 of 4 Gospels but I'm curious as to...
btw, Raymond Martin came to our high school when I was a Sophmore and gave a short lecture to us seminarians. All we knew was that he was the pre-eminient...
Many Christians claim that the Lord's prayer was a prayer to himself as part of the Trinity concept. They would claim that Jesus instructed his disciples to...
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