Logic and math as the EXCLUSIVE WAY OF GETTING AT TRUTH?  No, there are other ways as well or else logic and math would only give us more logic and math and nothing else.  There after all truths of nature that the sciences study but science is not exclusively using logic and math, there are many creative procveeses very much like those to be found in Art that go into the formation of hypotheses and also for the testing of hypotheses.  There have to be empirical premises from which logic and then math are used in order for logic and math to provide any empirical truths of nature. Otherwise exclusive use of logic and math is purely formal and non-empirical.

Hope this helps!

Jon

Stephen Shields wrote:

 **On the Basis for Logic in Nature and the Limits of Modernism**
Regarding our interchange:
Jon had written:  " The human body and mind play a major role in the
coming-to-be of the symbolic sciences of mathematics and logic and yet these
structures of logic and math have their roots in nature, independently of
human cognition.. "

Stephen then wrote:  "It occurs to me - and I'd like to get your comment on
this - that part of the modern program that's problematic is the *exclusive*
reliance on the adequacy of logic and math to attain *all* significant truth
(I will use logic to parent my girls but it will take more). "

Jon responded with:  "The problem I have here is that I do not see that as
truth. Yes heavy emphasis on reason but also empirical observation and
testability of hypotheses by both reason AND empirical evidence. As far as I
see this, this is excellent. "

Stephen replied:  Jon, I didn't understand the sentence, "The problem I
have here is that I do not see that as truth. "  Would you tease that out a
bit for me?

Jon responded:  "I think you are stereotyping the attitude to logic and generalizing it illegitimately!? "Stephen writes:  Jon, I don't get it.  Can you elaborate?  I'm sure I'm being dense so apologies.  Stephen Shields
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