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Hi, Dan!

Thanks for your gracious reply!

You are quite right, I have not read Leanne Payne's books! I had
never even heard of her before joining Faithmaps. Yes, I was
responding to the quotes and nothing else.

Embedded in my post was the plea to not denigrate one part of our
cognitive functions in order to emphasize other parts. I also made a
plea to consider that there are many kinds of truth and these need not
be pitted against each other either. So, I was coming from some
overriding concerns that have been with me for many years even before
I became a Christian and even before I became free from "Reformed
Propositionalism" which places too much emphasis on propositional
knowledge and not enough on the other kinds of knowledge and praxis
that propositional knowledge is to serve and to be a means to the end
of practical living in Christ. I am referring to Reformed Theology in
America in the 19th century and later. The Puritans were much better
at recognizing the many dimensions of knowledge besides the
propositional.

I went to Amazon.com and ordered 6 Leanne Payne books! They did
look very interesting indeed! So, no doubt some of my remarks would
have been different, if I had had some experience of reading her work.


Thanks, Dan for the quick reply! Blessings to you in the Lord
Jesus!

Jon



- In faithmaps@y..., "Dan Brennan" <dan.brennan@m...> wrote:
> Jonathan,
>
> I appreciate your lengthy critique on a limited quote. It
> appears you are unaware of Payne's works and therefore
> did your scholarly best to critique what Stephen asked
> you to. I get that impression not by how you may have
> misjudged her, (I am not at all saying you did misjudge her)
> but by the fact that you make no reference of knowing her
> writings outside of this quote. So, it just appears to me that
> your observations stem from my quote of her. And, I do
> appreciate the breadth and depth of your knowledge.
>
> My initial impulsive reaction is from my "lay" perspective, is
> you do an admirable job of connecting Aristotle with Aquinas
> and the Christian mystics. After your overview, one can see
> the vague way in which Payne paints the brush as to when
> Aristotelian epistemology entered the Church. I know she
> highly recommends Aquinas and all the mystics you linked
> to Aristotle. It is these writers, she frequently refers to as
> these writers in her lectures, books and articles as having
> that knowledge of the deep heart. So, whatever she means
> by that observation, I don't think she was meaning during
> this time. But that is just my guess.
>
> Blessings in Jesus,
> Dan B