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#1763 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:48 pm
Subject: RE: Jeti 2.4GHz gear 		a_flockhart
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Might be worth putting a post in RCGroups for this.    

 

Germans are no doubt in a similar situation as Graupner hasn’t come out with something they can use so guess Jeti would be next on their list.

 

You could use it with the UniLog to find out how quick you are burning through “juice” during practice.    Actually it could be a good crowd pleaser at the worlds.   Instant feedback of how much energy people have got left at any point.   Stick the Wmin on the score board and when you can watch people panic!

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Potter
Sent: 23 November 2009 17:28
To: F5B UK
Subject: [f5b_uk] Jeti 2.4GHz gear

 

 

Does any one know if the jeti 2.4GHz gear is legal for fia competition
as it can carry telemetry?

Nigel


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#1762 From: Chuck Grim <chuckgrim@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: Jeti 2.4GHz gear 		rcelectfly
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Nigel,

That is a question that needs to be brought up at the CIAM meeting in March or April by your countries representative. No one knows the answer yet. It needs clarification or a rule change. It looks like the rule needs to be changed so that it is that the pilot can't have access to the data during the flight or something similar. It looks like most systems in the near future will come with telemetry.

Chuck
 
On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Nigel Potter wrote:

 

Does any one know if the jeti 2.4GHz gear is legal for fia competition
as it can carry telemetry?

Nigel



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#1761 From: Mike Proctor <mike@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Jeti 2.4GHz gear 		barry6976
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My understanding for UK events is that if it does not convey information
which would be beneficial, in piloting/scoring terms, then it is OK.
(Knowing the Rx voltage for example, is hardly beneficial)

Mike

Nigel Potter wrote:
> Does any one know if the jeti 2.4GHz gear is legal for fia competition
> as it can carry telemetry?
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#1760 From: Nigel Potter <lists.nigel@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:27 pm
Subject: Jeti 2.4GHz gear 		nigel_potter...
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Does any one know if the jeti 2.4GHz gear is legal for fia competition
as it can carry telemetry?

Nigel

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#1759 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:00 am
Subject: B1T Avionic - 2 available 		a_flockhart
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There are a couple B1T avionic’s available at the moment.   They were used before the European Champs by Sergey himself and now the Italians have hold of the planes. Very strong and pretty much new.   No pictures currently but am sure they can be arranged if anyone is interested.

 

I have been told they are 800 euro each + postage.  

 

Let us know if anyone is interested and I will pass on contact details.

 

Cheers

 

Alan

 

 


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#1758 From: "krisduggan@..." <krisduggan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:25 am
Subject: Alan I guess your dad is in the Bay area 		krisduggan...
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Not sure what his schedule is like, but Brian Chan told me he is here this week.

Let him know I am practicing this Sat and Sun if he is interested in coming out!
This is in Palo Alto, 15 min north of San Jose, or 15 min south of San
Francisco.

Best,
Kris
aka verticalflight

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#1757 From: Chuck Grim <chuckgrim@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: Muncie weather [1 Attachment] 		rcelectfly
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Joe,

When we were there just over a week ago it was about 70 degrees f and the winds were light.

Our advice from the Muncie locals is that in August we can expect warm weather with a possible afternoon thunder shower that would not last long on maybe one day.

Weather reports for next year are however not very accurate this far out. I expect that the weather will be much better than York or Kiev.

Chuck

On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Josef Mouris wrote:

 

Looks cold and wet, any advance on what it will be like at the WC time?!



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#1756 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:02 pm
Subject: Muncie weather 		jjmouris
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Looks cold and wet, any advance on what it will be like at the WC time?!

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#1755 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		a_flockhart
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Steve could you bring your speakers again pls. Ill look out my multiplug connector so the chap at b can get a beep too. Anyone else got ipod style speakers which could plug into a laptop?

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

From: "Richard Whitehead" <richard.whitehead@...>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:31:19 +0100
To: <f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

I will be there.

 

Dick

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 


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#1754 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: RE: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		a_flockhart
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Mark / Steve – Could you intend to bring the course timing gear as well pls.    Several people have commented they would like it to be available.

 

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark.frumtarn@...
Sent: 09 October 2009 10:14
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

I'm intending to be there.
Mark

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Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands
>From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: 08/10/2009 22:40

Location check?!

Not at the new glider field?!

Joe

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:08, "Steve Burns" <steve.burns3@...> wrote:

> I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if
> there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.
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> From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
> To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands
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> Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on
> Sunday. We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is
> prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing
> gear as well.
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#1753 From: "Richard Whitehead" <richard.whitehead@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 2:31 pm
Subject: RE: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		electric_dick_w
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I will be there.

 

Dick

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 


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#1752 From: alanhcarr@...
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		flyingcarr
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> Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.
> We
> will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the
> relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.
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> Hi Alan
I'll be there - Wetlands

Alan
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#1751 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 9:20 am
Subject: RE: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		a_flockhart
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Wetlands as the subject says.     If Mark is willing to drive a little further south I could try some of the fields round Cambridgeshire – see if we can get on.

 

Current - Jos/Steve/Alan/Mark/Dick – probably    

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:39
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Location check?!

 

Not at the new glider field?!

 

Joe

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:08, "Steve Burns" <steve..burns3@...> wrote:

 

I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.

 

>From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 

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#1750 From: mark.frumtarn@...
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 9:14 am
Subject: Re: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		mark_f5b
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I'm intending to be there.
Mark

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Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands
From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: 08/10/2009 22:40

Location check?!

Not at the new glider field?!

Joe

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:08, "Steve Burns" <steve.burns3@...> wrote:

> I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if
> there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.
>
>
>
> From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
> To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands
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> Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on
> Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is
> prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing
> gear as well.
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> We should aim to be flying by 10.
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> George and Nigel I know won’t be there.
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#1749 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		jjmouris
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Location check?!

Not at the new glider field?!

Joe

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:08, "Steve Burns" <steve.burns3@...> wrote:

 

I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 

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#1748 From: Tony Wilson <flyingtonyw@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		flyingtonyw@...
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Sorry guys,I've Inlaws visiting from Germany.
Would've all been a rush getting to the Airport after Wetlands
 
Tony..

 
On 08/10/2009, Steve Burns <steve.burns3@...> wrote:
 

I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 

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#1747 From: "Steve Burns" <steve.burns3@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 9:08 pm
Subject: RE: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		steve.burns1
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I’ll be there. If Mark doesn’t want to run the full course or if there are only a few of us I can bring the practise course.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: 08 October 2009 22:05
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [f5b_uk] 11th Oct Practise Wetlands

 

 

Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 

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#1746 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 9:04 pm
Subject: 11th Oct Practise Wetlands 		a_flockhart
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Could I get a show of hands for who will be at the practise on Sunday.    We will be flying purely legs and hopefully if Mark is prepared to bring the relevant kit we can be plugged into the timing gear as well.

 

We should aim to be flying by 10.

 

George and Nigel I know won’t be there.

 

 


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#1745 From: <david.leitch@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Avionik Wing Bags 		david.leitch@...
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I will likely be interested in a couple. Elevqtor included?
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From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Cc: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon Oct 05 06:18:36 2009
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] Re: Avionik Wing Bags

 

They were 35 euros. 

Would be interested in a set.  

Nigel


On 4 Oct 2009, at 20:13, Josef Mouris <jjmouris@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Picture;

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From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Subject: Avionik Wing Bags
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com


Hello,

Thinking about having some wing bags made locally. Using my B08 wing as a template.

The material will be thin quilted silver reflective fabric with black or whatever colour edging strip. Not super hard protection but very soft and easy going on the wing. Have found a source and should be able to get an initial run of about 10 sets made from one roll.

In the picture attached is an example of one set in yellow with red edging strip made by someone in Japan i believe. They don't do them anymore so time for another person to step in and do them. I have already got someone who runs an alteration and tailor made clothing buisiness interrested in doing the work.

Can you please drop me a line if you are interrested; jjmouris@gmail.com

Price will be whatever the lady spends in time making them using her usual hourly rate + materials. Expecting something like ÂŁ30 (33 euro or 47 usd) for a set. This is i believe what the originals are going for as well. Does anyone know?

Joe


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#1744 From: Nigel Potter <lists.nigel@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Avionik Wing Bags [1 Attachment] 		nigel_potter...
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They were 35 euros. 

Would be interested in a set.  

Nigel


On 4 Oct 2009, at 20:13, Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...> wrote:

 

Picture;

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From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Subject: Avionik Wing Bags
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com


Hello,

Thinking about having some wing bags made locally. Using my B08 wing as a template.

The material will be thin quilted silver reflective fabric with black or whatever colour edging strip. Not super hard protection but very soft and easy going on the wing. Have found a source and should be able to get an initial run of about 10 sets made from one roll.

In the picture attached is an example of one set in yellow with red edging strip made by someone in Japan i believe. They don't do them anymore so time for another person to step in and do them. I have already got someone who runs an alteration and tailor made clothing buisiness interrested in doing the work.

Can you please drop me a line if you are interrested; jjmouris@gmail.com

Price will be whatever the lady spends in time making them using her usual hourly rate + materials. Expecting something like ÂŁ30 (33 euro or 47 usd) for a set. This is i believe what the originals are going for as well. Does anyone know?

Joe


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#1743 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Avionik Wing Bags 		jjmouris
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Picture;

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Subject: Avionik Wing Bags
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com


Hello,

Thinking about having some wing bags made locally. Using my B08 wing as a template.

The material will be thin quilted silver reflective fabric with black or whatever colour edging strip. Not super hard protection but very soft and easy going on the wing. Have found a source and should be able to get an initial run of about 10 sets made from one roll.

In the picture attached is an example of one set in yellow with red edging strip made by someone in Japan i believe. They don't do them anymore so time for another person to step in and do them. I have already got someone who runs an alteration and tailor made clothing buisiness interrested in doing the work.

Can you please drop me a line if you are interrested; jjmouris@...

Price will be whatever the lady spends in time making them using her usual hourly rate + materials. Expecting something like Ł30 (33 euro or 47 usd) for a set. This is i believe what the originals are going for as well. Does anyone know?

Joe


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#1742 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 7:11 pm
Subject: Avionik Wing Bags 		jjmouris
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Hello,

Thinking about having some wing bags made locally. Using my B08 wing as a template.

The material will be thin quilted silver reflective fabric with black or whatever colour edging strip. Not super hard protection but very soft and easy going on the wing. Have found a source and should be able to get an initial run of about 10 sets made from one roll.

In the picture attached is an example of one set in yellow with red edging strip made by someone in Japan i believe. They don't do them anymore so time for another person to step in and do them. I have already got someone who runs an alteration and tailor made clothing buisiness interrested in doing the work.

Can you please drop me a line if you are interrested; jjmouris@...

Price will be whatever the lady spends in time making them using her usual hourly rate + materials. Expecting something like Ł30 (33 euro or 47 usd) for a set. This is i believe what the originals are going for as well. Does anyone know?

Joe

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#1741 From: "Alan" <alan@...>
Date: Fri Oct 2, 2009 1:07 pm
Subject: Twits 		a_flockhart
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I’ve just signed up the f5b and f5b_uk names in twitter.   http://twitter.com/       Ideal to send out event information without using emails!

 

Just thought we should be moving with the times and sending out live information J   ie Wolff has just done 52 legs!!!  We are all fighting for 2nd place now…

 

 

 

 


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#1740 From: <david.leitch@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: S16 price 		david.leitch@...
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If you looki at the f3x forum on rcgroups you will see a uk team making an uk f3j model. May be worth talking to them.
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To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat Sep 26 20:08:12 2009
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

Once you guys have recovered from “sticker shock” and analyse the situation I think you will realise you have a few options none of which involve making your own planes.

We used to make our own with our own design, used by Wayne Hadkins in 2002 and nearly used again in 2004(the S11 was so much nicer to fly than our model).

The only reasons to make your own are

1). Competitive models unavailable or too long a lead time( common F3J problem). Your chances of designing a model that is good as an Avionic let alone better are close to zero. So not valid reason

2). It is what you want to do because that is what you get out of the hobby. I don’t think so.
If you think that the price of the S16 is too high and you want a more economical solution then I suggest you re-visit the S11/13 or 14 with 2 servo wing. The 2 servo wing S14 can do 44 laps. Probably more than your home growns will manage.

 

Building strong light F5B model takes some time and practice and I would suggest even after you make a mould the 1st one will not be flyable as a contest model(ask Mike Seale or Dave Dixon). If you back track the price and add the cost of the 5 servos, the carbon fibre for wings, Kevlar for fuses, epoxy, paint and release agents I think you will be quickly back to buying. Those that are retired will have the available time, those with families might find divorce come close if you try to build a few and go flying as well.

In reality how many planes do you need to buy each year, 1-2 unless you are really unlucky. If you are building them yourselves you will need less because you will be spending more time building and less flying(although I have seen this lead to more breakages because of insufficient practice).

Sorry for the pessimistic outlook

 

Dave

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 8:03 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My girlfriend is Turkish, has family and friends all over, i can get really cheap standby tickets to visit as and when required. She can talk Turkish obvoisly and is possibly able to do all the business side of things. There is a big F3B community and production already in Turkey (Istanbul and other places). Labour? I doubt it is much cheaper in the places you name compared to Turkey, having been there a few times. There are plenty people there that will do anything for a slice of bread. Not joking and not ment in an offending way. Still i will never take the risk of making this my primary job. It's a hobby and F5B a calling, not a livelyhood.

 

Joe

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, <david.leitch@ubs.com> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@ubs.com included below]



Wages are likely lower in Bulgaria and Romania and there is a bigger workforce with the skills  particularly in Slovakia, Slovenia  and the Cech Republic than in Turkey. You would need to hire someone with contacts out of the F3J world. There are a reasonable number of manufacturers there. The german f3J industry has already gone down the outsourcing path. Stefan Eder from memory does it this way. It would be a labour of love as the market is far too small for anything other than a  manufacturing hobby.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 7:45 AM

Cc: Eric Wierman


Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My take on this is different.

 

Here is the plan;

#1 Buy good wings, make own fuselage (copy then own design).

#2 Visit Michel Uzan for a building weekend.

#3 Copy a good plane for own use and improve durabilaty.

#4 Make a new design that is potentially better.

#5 Move the production to my own company based in Turkey.

 

Got lots of spare time, love making things and love F5B. Need money to buy materials. After some parts have been sold with a profit, more materials can be bought untill eventually an own design can be milled.

 

On the way important lessons will be learned.


 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <david.leitch@ubs.com> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@ubs.com included below]



One take on how to do this is classic manufacturing.  Its more up front investment but eventually cheaper per plane.

 

1. Get a good design.

2. Get the moulds made.

3. Outsource the building. In Australia we might outsource to China. In Europe the obvious people to outsource to are NAN models because they have the expertise. The more you control the outsourcing, that is supervise, finance, and train, the more margin you can keep.

 

At the end of the day you need something competitive with a Surprise or an Avionik. After all you can buy an Enigma now for quite reasonable money. The learning and time curve will be expensive and you could expect to lose money for years. What comparative advantage does anyone bring to the process?

 

 

 

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:54 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

Definitely a lot of ÂŁ

A UK plane is what we need.  Would be interesting to know how much material cost goes into each plane.  Servo’s we know. Then I guess a days worth of time spread over a week to actually produce.

Then you have the development costs/time on top – which would be the majority – Didn’t Michael Uzan say it was €2000 euro to get a mould for his planes?  Spread amongst 5+ people that isn’t so bad if you get 4-5 planes each out of it.   There must be people in the UK who would build the planes using our moulds for a cost.  I don’t fancy building wings myself as I don’t have the time.

Japanese make their own as well don’t they?   We all know the Germans do.

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GEORGE SHERING
Sent: 24 September 2009 17:27
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

That is getting to be a lot of ÂŁs.

The Poles made their own for the European Championship.

I remember the "old days" when people like Mike Seale, Colin Watters, Stephen Mettam, to mention but a few, made their own. Dave Dixon made his out of Wolf's moulds. In these days I think a Surprise was only 500 - 600 Swiss francs, a very small number of ÂŁs at the time. Maybe necessity will become the mother of invention again?

George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, flyingseale@aol.com <flyingseale@aol.com> wrote:


From: flyingseale@aol.com <flyingseale@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 2:58 PM

In a message dated 24/09/2009 14:56:34 GMT Daylight Time, alan@alandf. co.uk writes:

Good Xmas present as there is a 3 month delivery time.

That's very generous of you to buy us all xmas pressies...

 

 


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#1739 From: GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: RE: S16 price 		george1759
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David is right. The only reason to build your own plane is that this is what you want to do!
A very good reason, by the way.
But if you want cheap F5B there are other ways.
When I was a boy the pros flew Surprise 11 and the poor folk flew
http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=1429
There was not one of David Camerons's cigarette papers (what is that?) between them in performance, but not in price!
You did not have to go to the USA to get it, it was available from the then Czechoslovakia.
I do not know what an Enigma is, but maybe similar?
The big advantage of this approach is that you can say, after doing 36 legs like I did at Pfaffikon this year, that if you had an Avionik youl would surely have done over 50!
George, (a bit drunk in the hotel preparing for tomorrow's event).


--- On Sat, 26/9/09, Denise and David Hines <denisendavid@...> wrote:

From: Denise and David Hines <denisendavid@...>
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] S16 price
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 11:08 AM

 

Once you guys have recovered from “sticker shock” and analyse the situation I think you will realise you have a few options none of which involve making your own planes.

We used to make our own with our own design, used by Wayne Hadkins in 2002 and nearly used again in 2004(the S11 was so much nicer to fly than our model).

The only reasons to make your own are

1). Competitive models unavailable or too long a lead time( common F3J problem). Your chances of designing a model that is good as an Avionic let alone better are close to zero. So not valid reason

2). It is what you want to do because that is what you get out of the hobby. I don’t think so.
If you think that the price of the S16 is too high and you want a more economical solution then I suggest you re-visit the S11/13 or 14 with 2 servo wing. The 2 servo wing S14 can do 44 laps. Probably more than your home growns will manage.

 

Building strong light F5B model takes some time and practice and I would suggest even after you make a mould the 1st one will not be flyable as a contest model(ask Mike Seale or Dave Dixon). If you back track the price and add the cost of the 5 servos, the carbon fibre for wings, Kevlar for fuses, epoxy, paint and release agents I think you will be quickly back to buying. Those that are retired will have the available time, those with families might find divorce come close if you try to build a few and go flying as well.

In reality how many planes do you need to buy each year, 1-2 unless you are really unlucky. If you are building them yourselves you will need less because you will be spending more time building and less flying(although I have seen this lead to more breakages because of insufficient practice).

Sorry for the pessimistic outlook

 

Dave

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com [mailto:f5b_ uk@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 8:03 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My girlfriend is Turkish, has family and friends all over, i can get really cheap standby tickets to visit as and when required. She can talk Turkish obvoisly and is possibly able to do all the business side of things. There is a big F3B community and production already in Turkey (Istanbul and other places). Labour? I doubt it is much cheaper in the places you name compared to Turkey, having been there a few times. There are plenty people there that will do anything for a slice of bread. Not joking and not ment in an offending way. Still i will never take the risk of making this my primary job. It's a hobby and F5B a calling, not a livelyhood.

 

Joe

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, <david.leitch@ ubs.com> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@ ubs.com included below]



Wages are likely lower in Bulgaria and Romania and there is a bigger workforce with the skills  particularly in Slovakia, Slovenia  and the Cech Republic than in Turkey. You would need to hire someone with contacts out of the F3J world. There are a reasonable number of manufacturers there. The german f3J industry has already gone down the outsourcing path. Stefan Eder from memory does it this way. It would be a labour of love as the market is far too small for anything other than a  manufacturing hobby.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 7:45 AM

Cc: Eric Wierman


Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My take on this is different.

 

Here is the plan;

#1 Buy good wings, make own fuselage (copy then own design).

#2 Visit Michel Uzan for a building weekend.

#3 Copy a good plane for own use and improve durabilaty.

#4 Make a new design that is potentially better.

#5 Move the production to my own company based in Turkey.

 

Got lots of spare time, love making things and love F5B. Need money to buy materials. After some parts have been sold with a profit, more materials can be bought untill eventually an own design can be milled.

 

On the way important lessons will be learned.


 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <david.leitch@ ubs.com> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@ ubs.com included below]



One take on how to do this is classic manufacturing.  Its more up front investment but eventually cheaper per plane.

 

1. Get a good design.

2. Get the moulds made.

3. Outsource the building. In Australia we might outsource to China. In Europe the obvious people to outsource to are NAN models because they have the expertise. The more you control the outsourcing, that is supervise, finance, and train, the more margin you can keep.

 

At the end of the day you need something competitive with a Surprise or an Avionik. After all you can buy an Enigma now for quite reasonable money. The learning and time curve will be expensive and you could expect to lose money for years. What comparative advantage does anyone bring to the process?

 

 

 

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:54 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

Definitely a lot of ÂŁ

A UK plane is what we need.  Would be interesting to know how much material cost goes into each plane.  Servo’s we know. Then I guess a days worth of time spread over a week to actually produce.

Then you have the development costs/time on top – which would be the majority – Didn’t Michael Uzan say it was €2000 euro to get a mould for his planes?  Spread amongst 5+ people that isn’t so bad if you get 4-5 planes each out of it.   There must be people in the UK who would build the planes using our moulds for a cost.  I don’t fancy building wings myself as I don’t have the time.

Japanese make their own as well don’t they?   We all know the Germans do.

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GEORGE SHERING
Sent: 24 September 2009 17:27
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

That is getting to be a lot of ÂŁs.

The Poles made their own for the European Championship.

I remember the "old days" when people like Mike Seale, Colin Watters, Stephen Mettam, to mention but a few, made their own. Dave Dixon made his out of Wolf's moulds. In these days I think a Surprise was only 500 - 600 Swiss francs, a very small number of ÂŁs at the time. Maybe necessity will become the mother of invention again?

George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, flyingseale@ aol.com <flyingseale@ aol.com> wrote:


From: flyingseale@ aol.com <flyingseale@ aol.com>
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 2:58 PM

In a message dated 24/09/2009 14:56:34 GMT Daylight Time, alan@alandf. co.uk writes:

Good Xmas present as there is a 3 month delivery time.

That's very generous of you to buy us all xmas pressies...

 

 


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#1738 From: "Denise and David Hines" <denisendavid@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:08 am
Subject: RE: S16 price 		waldodorf
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Once you guys have recovered from “sticker shock” and analyse the situation I think you will realise you have a few options none of which involve making your own planes.

We used to make our own with our own design, used by Wayne Hadkins in 2002 and nearly used again in 2004(the S11 was so much nicer to fly than our model).

The only reasons to make your own are

1). Competitive models unavailable or too long a lead time( common F3J problem). Your chances of designing a model that is good as an Avionic let alone better are close to zero. So not valid reason

2). It is what you want to do because that is what you get out of the hobby. I don’t think so.
If you think that the price of the S16 is too high and you want a more economical solution then I suggest you re-visit the S11/13 or 14 with 2 servo wing. The 2 servo wing S14 can do 44 laps. Probably more than your home growns will manage.

 

Building strong light F5B model takes some time and practice and I would suggest even after you make a mould the 1st one will not be flyable as a contest model(ask Mike Seale or Dave Dixon). If you back track the price and add the cost of the 5 servos, the carbon fibre for wings, Kevlar for fuses, epoxy, paint and release agents I think you will be quickly back to buying. Those that are retired will have the available time, those with families might find divorce come close if you try to build a few and go flying as well.

In reality how many planes do you need to buy each year, 1-2 unless you are really unlucky. If you are building them yourselves you will need less because you will be spending more time building and less flying(although I have seen this lead to more breakages because of insufficient practice).

Sorry for the pessimistic outlook

 

Dave

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 8:03 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My girlfriend is Turkish, has family and friends all over, i can get really cheap standby tickets to visit as and when required. She can talk Turkish obvoisly and is possibly able to do all the business side of things. There is a big F3B community and production already in Turkey (Istanbul and other places). Labour? I doubt it is much cheaper in the places you name compared to Turkey, having been there a few times. There are plenty people there that will do anything for a slice of bread. Not joking and not ment in an offending way. Still i will never take the risk of making this my primary job. It's a hobby and F5B a calling, not a livelyhood.

 

Joe

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, <david.leitch@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@... included below]



Wages are likely lower in Bulgaria and Romania and there is a bigger workforce with the skills  particularly in Slovakia, Slovenia  and the Cech Republic than in Turkey. You would need to hire someone with contacts out of the F3J world. There are a reasonable number of manufacturers there. The german f3J industry has already gone down the outsourcing path. Stefan Eder from memory does it this way. It would be a labour of love as the market is far too small for anything other than a  manufacturing hobby.

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josef Mouris
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 7:45 AM

Cc: Eric Wierman


Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

 

My take on this is different.

 

Here is the plan;

#1 Buy good wings, make own fuselage (copy then own design).

#2 Visit Michel Uzan for a building weekend.

#3 Copy a good plane for own use and improve durabilaty.

#4 Make a new design that is potentially better.

#5 Move the production to my own company based in Turkey.

 

Got lots of spare time, love making things and love F5B. Need money to buy materials. After some parts have been sold with a profit, more materials can be bought untill eventually an own design can be milled.

 

On the way important lessons will be learned.


 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <david.leitch@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from david.leitch@... included below]



One take on how to do this is classic manufacturing.  Its more up front investment but eventually cheaper per plane.

 

1. Get a good design.

2. Get the moulds made.

3. Outsource the building. In Australia we might outsource to China. In Europe the obvious people to outsource to are NAN models because they have the expertise. The more you control the outsourcing, that is supervise, finance, and train, the more margin you can keep.

 

At the end of the day you need something competitive with a Surprise or an Avionik. After all you can buy an Enigma now for quite reasonable money. The learning and time curve will be expensive and you could expect to lose money for years. What comparative advantage does anyone bring to the process?

 

 

 

 

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 2:54 AM
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [f5b_uk] S16 price

 

Definitely a lot of ÂŁ

A UK plane is what we need.  Would be interesting to know how much material cost goes into each plane.  Servo’s we know. Then I guess a days worth of time spread over a week to actually produce.

Then you have the development costs/time on top – which would be the majority – Didn’t Michael Uzan say it was €2000 euro to get a mould for his planes?  Spread amongst 5+ people that isn’t so bad if you get 4-5 planes each out of it.   There must be people in the UK who would build the planes using our moulds for a cost.  I don’t fancy building wings myself as I don’t have the time.

Japanese make their own as well don’t they?   We all know the Germans do.

From: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GEORGE SHERING
Sent: 24 September 2009 17:27
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price

That is getting to be a lot of ÂŁs.

The Poles made their own for the European Championship.

I remember the "old days" when people like Mike Seale, Colin Watters, Stephen Mettam, to mention but a few, made their own. Dave Dixon made his out of Wolf's moulds. In these days I think a Surprise was only 500 - 600 Swiss francs, a very small number of ÂŁs at the time. Maybe necessity will become the mother of invention again?

George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, flyingseale@... <flyingseale@...> wrote:


From: flyingseale@... <flyingseale@...>
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] S16 price
To: f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 2:58 PM

In a message dated 24/09/2009 14:56:34 GMT Daylight Time, alan@alandf. co.uk writes:

Good Xmas present as there is a 3 month delivery time.

That's very generous of you to buy us all xmas pressies...

 

 


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#1737 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009 		jjmouris
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F5B Ergebnisse 2009

Endstand nach 11 Teilwettbewerben
Update o.Gewähr by Andreas Höchst Stand 30.08.2009

RankNameNatJunResult
1Fickenscher WolfGER 300,00
2Frattini RemoITA 300,00
3Starzinger JohannesAUT 299,48
4Rueb GuntmarGER 299,40
5Greiner HeikoGER 299,35
6Waeckerlin ThomasSUI 298,74
7Haeusler PatrickSUI 297,56
8van Tricht LucBEL 297,55
9Cavaggioni PiermarioITA 297,38
10Mossa AlessandroITA 296,74
11Freudenthaler RudiAUT 296,71
12Huebner NorbertGER 295,55
13Waser Karl GeorgAUT 294,41
14Greiner OswinGER 294,08
15Ulbrich ChristianGER 293,58
16Kopp FabianGERJun.293,01
17Verschoren WillyBEL 290,33
18Schulz WolfgangGER 290,09
19Riegler FranzAUT 289,43
20Alkaersig JeppeDEN 288,51
21Selvolini PaoloITA 287,85
22Shering GeorgeGBR 283,49
23Persson TommyDEN 282,30
24Ney Franz-JosefGER 281,35
25Uzan MichelFRA 281,22
26Carletti MarioITA 279,95
27Lotz SaschaGER 278,43
28Jensen Joachim BoDEN 274,32
29Bech PeterDEN 272,38
30Jensen AllanDEN 271,47
31Robrecht RobbyGER 251,80
32Lefebvre HuguesBEL 194,93
33Oberleitner ManfredAUT 189,99
34Beguin ClaudeFRA 189,83
35Pedersen Niels ErikDEN 185,50
36Knuth MarcialGER 178,69
37Porebski GrzegorzPOL 178,14
38Bossmann BerndGER 172,90
39Giacomin BrunoITA 172,34
40Jucker FritzSUI 171,96
41Salamon MichalPOL 171,69
42Salamon StanislawPOL 152,03
43Golikov VladimirRUS 137,86
44Kaesweber HubertGER 126,12
45Cantoni MarcoSUI 98,34
46Lefebvre GillesBEL 97,33
47Geysen EricFRA 94,16
48Settesoldi AndreaITA 93,55
49Zafosnik ElmarAUT 91,99
50Mayr DanielAUT 91,80
51Wasiak KrysztofPOL 90,86
52Grzesica JaroslavPOL 89,57
53Dufour Jean-LucBEL 87,57
54Ochman JanPOL 85,93
55Mouris JosefNL 69,29

 

 


On 25 Sep 2009, at 23:19, GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@...> wrote:

 

The one I know is http://www.contest-modellsport.de/index.html
It gives all the individual competiton results but I can't find the final table.
I have seen it in the past, but not for 2009.
Please give the URL as I seem to be lost.
George.

--- On Fri, 25/9/09, Josef Mouris <jjmouris@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] Fw: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: "f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com" <f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 10:22 PM

 
On their website.

:)

On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:27, GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@ btopenworld. com> wrote:

 
For what it is worth.
Anybody know where the final totals for the Eorotour are published?
George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch> wrote:

From: Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch>
Subject: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: ciam-f5@fai. org
Cc: "'Lex Manfred'" <manfred.lex@gmail.com>, conu@rdsmail. ro, info@schaller- compositi. it, "'illusion'" <illusion@sunrise. ch>, "'Johannes Starzinger'" <johannes.starzinger @gmx.net>
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 10:02 PM

Dear friends, see F5B FAI World Cup results on
 
 
http://www.fai. org/aeromodellin g/F5BWorldCup09f inal
 
 
Regards: Emil
 
 
 
 
 


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#1736 From: GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:19 pm
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It gives all the individual competiton results but I can't find the final table.
I have seen it in the past, but not for 2009.
Please give the URL as I seem to be lost.
George.

--- On Fri, 25/9/09, Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...> wrote:

From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Subject: Re: [f5b_uk] Fw: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: "f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com" <f5b_uk@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 10:22 PM

 
On their website.

:)

On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:27, GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@ btopenworld. com> wrote:

 
For what it is worth.
Anybody know where the final totals for the Eorotour are published?
George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch> wrote:

From: Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch>
Subject: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: ciam-f5@fai. org
Cc: "'Lex Manfred'" <manfred.lex@gmail.com>, conu@rdsmail. ro, info@schaller- compositi. it, "'illusion'" <illusion@sunrise. ch>, "'Johannes Starzinger'" <johannes.starzinger @gmx.net>
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 10:02 PM

Dear friends, see F5B FAI World Cup results on
 
 
http://www.fai. org/aeromodellin g/F5BWorldCup09f inal
 
 
Regards: Emil
 
 
 
 
 

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#1735 From: Josef Mouris <jjmouris@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009 		jjmouris
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On their website.

:)

On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:27, GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@...> wrote:

 

For what it is worth.
Anybody know where the final totals for the Eorotour are published?
George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch> wrote:

From: Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@bluewin.ch>
Subject: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: ciam-f5@fai.org
Cc: "'Lex Manfred'" <manfred.lex@gmail.com>, conu@rdsmail.ro, info@schaller-compositi.it, "'illusion'" <illusion@sunrise.ch>, "'Johannes Starzinger'" <johannes.starzinger@gmx.net>
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 10:02 PM

Dear friends, see F5B FAI World Cup results on
 
 
http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/F5BWorldCup09final
 
 
Regards: Emil
 
 
 
 
 


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#1734 From: GEORGE SHERING <George.Shering@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Fw: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009 		george1759
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For what it is worth.
Anybody know where the final totals for the Eorotour are published?
George.

--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@...> wrote:

From: Emil und Birgit Giezendanner <ebi.giezendanner@...>
Subject: [ciam-f5] FAI World Cup 2009
To: ciam-f5@...
Cc: "'Lex Manfred'" <manfred.lex@...>, conu@..., info@..., "'illusion'" <illusion@...>, "'Johannes Starzinger'" <johannes.starzinger@...>
Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 10:02 PM

Dear friends, see F5B FAI World Cup results on
 
 
 
 
Regards: Emil
 
 
 
 
 

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