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Re: [ExtroBritannia] Beyond Human: Rethinking the Technological Extension of the Human Condition

David, Amon, I am disappointed. On one hand this looks like another
excellent event and everybody here is profoundly grateful for all
you've done. On the other, you are well aware of the controversy
surrounding one of the speakers...

On the Neofascist Infiltration of Italian Transhumanism
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/stile20100209/

The Political Roots of "Overhumanism"
http://estropico.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104:the-politi\
cal-roots-of-qoverhumanismq&catid=46:varie&Itemid=85


Chrome Plated Jackboots
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2009/09/chromed_jackboots.html

...and a polite "no thanks" would have been the appropriate course of action.

Of course, I have no doubt that he'll be nothing but charming and on
best behaviour on the day, and that his talk will be 100% on-topic,
but he plays different games on different tables, to coin a phrase.
After the event, he'll go back to moderating his neofascist Italian
forum and writing on Italian far-right newspapers and websites
(allegedly, I should say, as for *a few* of his activities he uses
pseudonyms that are different from the one he'll use for the Birkbeck
talk).

And you can be sure that he'll exploit to the full his partecipation
to the event to show to all and sundry that he is kosher after all...

I guess it's all a question of ethics. If, say, a pro-ethnic cleansing
Serbian nationalist also happened to be a brillian AGI researcher,
should we invite him to give a presentation? If one day it transpired
that Max or Anders had been writing ambiguous articles on the website
of the English Defence Legue, should we change the way we think of
them? My answers are "no" and "yes", but I guess yours would be
different...

Cheers,
Fabio

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Amon Zero <amon@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear All -
>
> In one month (Saturday October 8th) I will be giving a talk at "Beyond
> Human: Rethinking the Technological Extension of the Human Condition" at
> Birkbeck College, London, along with a number of other speakers.
>
> The event is being organised by Humanity+ UK in association with the Virtual
> Futures conference series and Zero State, so we'll see a full advertisement
> from H+ UK shortly. In the meantime, here is a link to the (very) extended
> abstract of my presentation, which in turn includes links to the H+ UK
> website.
>
> http://transhumanpraxis.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/a-new-transhumanism/
>
> http://humanityplus.org.uk/#bh
>
> All the Best,
> Amon
>
> p.s. Apologies for any innapropriate crossposting - I have included these
> lists as places where people are likely to be interested in broad-strokes
> commentary on transhumanism as a movement, and its relationship to society.
> If you know anyone else who may wish to hear about this, please do pass the
> message on.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Dear All - In one month (Saturday October 8th) I will be giving a talk at "Beyond Human: Rethinking the Technological Extension of the Human Condition" at ...
Amon Zero
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Sep 8, 2011
5:03 pm

David, Amon, I am disappointed. On one hand this looks like another excellent event and everybody here is profoundly grateful for all you've done. On the...
estropico Offline Send Email Sep 9, 2011
6:51 am

... Hi Fabio - This was David's call as event organiser, and of course I can't speak for his opinion, but I will briefly say a few words about my own. Of...
Amon Zero
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Sep 9, 2011
8:30 am

... Actually, I'll go a little further, not to press any point, but to reflect on what might be an interesting (philosophical?) aspect of all this. The point I...
Amon Zero
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Sep 9, 2011
8:42 am

... Where have you got this from and what exactly do you mean by "pro-ethnic cleansing"? Concentration camps? That is a VERY SERIOUS accusation that you need...
Cryonica
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Sep 9, 2011
8:55 am

I think he was speaking hypothetically. Hence there is nothing to justify. I think I boils down to a few points.    1) Voltaire - Freedom of speech    2)...
Bruce Adams
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Sep 9, 2011
3:24 pm

... Thanks for clarifying that - I thought it was obvious... ... I don't think that's the point at all. I'm not saying the guy should be in gagged, thrown in...
estropico Offline Send Email Sep 9, 2011
3:40 pm

Yes, there's definitely scope for controversy here. The same is also the case (but in different ways) with several of the other speakers, on account of...
David Wood
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Sep 9, 2011
11:22 pm

... What is a "toxic political background"? For me it would be a recent past or present in which the person in question has been openly advocating things like...
Cryonica
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Sep 10, 2011
8:16 am

... Well, how about somebody describing the SS, with adminiration, as a model for a future european army? How about somebody promoting a book containing a...
estropico Offline Send Email Sep 10, 2011
8:28 am

... But if this was not done by Stefano Vaj then it is not relevant here. ... This does not mean that he supports the forced deportation of Muslims: books can...
Cryonica
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Sep 10, 2011
9:16 am

CasaPound è un centro sociale di ispirazione fascista http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casapound Surely I don't need to translate that... Cheers, Fabio...
estropico Offline Send Email Sep 10, 2011
4:28 pm

But what do they MEAN here by "fascista"? I have heard this world used in all sorts of contexts, to refer to all sorts of different things. Once, when I was...
Cryonica
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Sep 10, 2011
5:33 pm

... David..... There's provocative, which can make for stimulating debate, and there's associating ourselves with neofascists, which could lead to a public...
estropico Offline Send Email Sep 11, 2011
8:02 am

I thought the freedom of speech issue was cleared up, with agreement that this isn't such an issue? But some of us still object to such political vetting of...
Michael Price
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Sep 11, 2011
8:26 am

... Apologies for an interjection of little value, but I have to say that this still makes me smile ;-) It's not that I & other Zero Staters wouldn't like to...
Amon Zero
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Sep 11, 2011
8:35 am

I've added the following short disclaimer into the event website http://humanityplus.org.uk/2011/08/21/beyond-human-london-sat-8th-oct/...
David Wood
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Sep 11, 2011
10:03 am

Given that the speaks will be about transhumanism and nothing else, such a disclaimer is not really necessary, because as far as transhumanism goes the talks...
Cryonica
cryonica1960 Offline Send Email
Sep 11, 2011
10:31 am

... I like that approach, myself. It strikes me as elegant. Of course it assumes that there is only one transhumanism, and other belief systems are somehow...
Amon Zero
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Sep 11, 2011
10:56 am

Yes, for now, let's leave aside the many different transhumanisms there may be and the many more that are emerging and will emerge in the coming decade. I...
Cryonica
cryonica1960 Offline Send Email
Sep 11, 2011
11:16 am

... Caveat: Some of the speakers would probably NOT describe themselves as transhumanists. But they're speaking because what they have to say should be of...
David Wood
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Sep 11, 2011
11:01 am

Very true. When I attended the French Transhumanist day on June 16 in France they had invited a man who has written a book in French called (in French I...
Cryonica
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Sep 11, 2011
11:24 am

... My answers: "yes" and "yes". -MCP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Michael Price
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Sep 10, 2011
4:50 am

... Mine too. But I would still invite Max and Anders to speak on relevant transhumanist issues at conferences. ... [Non-text portions of this message have...
Cryonica
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Sep 10, 2011
8:11 am
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