Do you know the secret to five charged names?  Why is it that they were hidden
by the "Masters" to the uninitiate?  In can be found in the religions of sufi,
sikh, etc.  In fact, you can be a PLM too just gather your own disciples, teach
them the sant mant "technique" and they will see you too in your "radiant form"
as your guide them through the five regions.  Do you know why this is so?  Clue:
Chandian effect...

Do you want to know the Step-by-step Method Beyond Sach-Khand (i.e., Alakh,
Agam, Anaami) without the help of the "Master"?

Read first:
http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/prophecy/himalay.htm

Exaybachay. He Who Talks Loud, Saying Nothing

Sorry friend.

I read your article. I am sure there is some truth in there which could be read
more simple and easily by reading

Autobiography of baba faquir chand.

I am not against the ego...but when I read the article you directed me to in
order to understand beyond alakh, agam I can't remember there names, there was
no mention of these names in the whole article, but it made me understand why
people think the ego is somethig to be avoided.

I guess its my fault cos I can't understand your advanced knowledge right.

If you can't teach something to a 12 year old your an idiot...someone once said
to me.

Besides instead of intellectual masturbation what about learning to access these
experiences/illusions for yourself. And then once you have worked that out see
if you can't teach it to others without the "brainwashing" currently used by all
these other mind control propaganderists.

As far as I can see 15-20% of people can have these experiences which correlates
nicely with the 15-20% of people that can be hypnotised easily into a deep
trance state.

Why is it that some people can be hypnotised into a deep trance state and others
can't?

Lets do the science behind this.

Is it genetics?

Nothing a good MAO inhibitor would not fix!

Ever wonder why the old mind control masters emphsised the need to be a
vegetarian?

Have you ever read Twitchell's "Eckankar: The Key to Secret Worlds" and Chand's
"Yogic Philosophy of Saints"?  Be enlightened in neural surfing which unlock
yogic diabolical delusion in Sar Bachan...

Dear Perianthium,

It may be helpful for spiritual progress to have
some easy-to-understand images
associated with each of the five charged names.

Double click on each image to make it
larger.

http://bit.ly/33EGgV

Note: this is a very serious subject, so please
do not smile or laugh when viewing.

With thanks in advance,

Sincerely

temp



--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "perianthium786" <perianthium786@...> wrote:
>
> Do you know the secret to five charged names?  Why is it that they were hidden
by the "Masters" to the uninitiate?  In can be found in the religions of sufi,
sikh, etc.  In fact, you can be a PLM too just gather your own disciples, teach
them the sant mant "technique" and they will see you too in your "radiant form"
as your guide them through the five regions.  Do you know why this is so?  Clue:
Chandian effect...
>

Dear Temp, too funny! These images are hysterically funny!
Val

Funny indeed!
But what's your "rational" explanation why satsangis were able to "travel" into
five regions?
Any idea?

Do you know any that actually did? I didn't, and don't. And then, how would we
know for sure anyway, where they went, if anywhere! I am of the opinion that if
there were other dimensions, then these paths would allow sharing of those
experiences, in order to encourage other people. That there really is something
after physical death. But again, some people would argue that it is all brain
chemistry!

Val

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "perianthium786" <perianthium786@...> wrote:
>
> Funny indeed!
> But what's your "rational" explanation why satsangis were able to "travel"
into five regions?
> Any idea?
>

You're definitely right!

Like I said earlier I have been out of Sant Mant for many years now. My problem
is I have not found anything to takes it's place. I feel like I'm just drifting
and I'm not liking that very much.
What have others moved on to if I may ask?
peace Devorahg

I do what 90% of physicists do. Go to a church, as a point of reference to
living in this material world. I picked the Latin Mass at the local Catholic
Church. This mass runs 90 minutes and has very, very little personality of the
priest involved.

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "devorahggg2002" <devorahggg2002@...> wrote:
>
> Like I said earlier I have been out of Sant Mant for many years now. My
problem is I have not found anything to takes it's place. I feel like I'm just
drifting and I'm not liking that very much.
> What have others moved on to if I may ask?
> peace Devorahg
>

Although I don't really live for money and women and drinking I do agree with
the sentiment of Freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want and however
you want to do it.

I think this is what people are missing when in Sant Mat. Everything is by grace
or within sewa or to gain darshan. It's peculiar to have everything you do
pre-destined; while I do believe in destiny I don't agree everything that
happens to me has meaning.

Freedom it is.

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Becky Penrose <becky.penrose@...> wrote:
>
> what a refreshing note of FREEDOM. I was paralyzed for a while ...maybe it was
harder? for me to accept but now I am searching for some interests and feel I
WILL find them. Planning on a move for one and hope to meet and have the feeling
I will, some interesting people and new things to  explore. Love your
enthusiasm!!!!!
>  
> Rebecca Penrose
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martin <legraymarty@...>
> To: exsat@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:24:51 AM
> Subject: [exsat] Re: After leaving Sant Mat I live for making money now
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In exsat@yahoogroups. com, "pidepiper0007" <pidepiper0007@ ...> wrote:
> >I heard something like this from my hometown, Silcon Valley. It goes ,The one
who dies with the most toys is the winner.
> > Now that I'm not affiliated with Sant Mat - I'm now free to devote all my
time to being a Wall Street Trader. My devotion to this is now primary.
> >
> > Meditation used to be my #1 devotion.
> >
> > Now I spend my life energy trading stocks to make money. Personally this is
a much more rewarding activity.
> >
> > Second only to this, I'm now free to spend time trying to pick up chicks at
bars.
> >
> > Between trading stocks, womanizing and drinking, eating and sleeping I'm
finally beginning to feel normal again!!!
> >
> > This is what life is for! Those Sant Mat Masters are crazy - why do they
think life has to have any other meaning than living for money, pleasure and
relaxation?
> >
> > And bugger death - I plan on being buried like the Egyptian Pharaohs - I'm
going to be buried with all my gold and at least one chick. Who says you can't
take it with you??
> >
> > What about the rest of you?
> >
> > What do you guys devote yourselves too now? What do you live for?
> >
> > Meaningful lives are for losers!
> >
>

i found on internet this site, an old forum about sikhhism. when you type 'radha
soami' under 'search' you find information about all socalled masters (frauds
every one of them even though they may look so 'loving' at first sight. In very
clever and hidden ways, hard to see through for westerners, abusing the longing
for religion of sincere people, talking about meditation and improving the world
(very clever trick) while in reality their only goal is that you submit yourself
to the 'master',they have double agendas and are after name fame political
influence money etc etc etc but absolutely NOT after the wellbeing of the
meditators).
Just scroll through the answers and use for example search + name of your
socalled guru. F e the reasons why sant mat has succes among some indian people,
distortions of the books etc., why western people are so vulnerable for this,
and all this from the point of view of sikhs, who share the same culture and can
see through things easier than those born outside this culture. Sikhism is the
original religion of all of the socalled masters.

oh i forgot to add the link for the sikh site that gives good information about
radha soami :
http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/by+Topic!OpenView

the search b utton is at the left

oh i forgot to add the link! here it comes:
http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/by+Topic!OpenView

search button is at the left

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "sohappytobealive" <sohappytobealive@...> wrote:
>
> i found on internet this site, an old forum about sikhhism. when you type
'radha soami' under 'search' you find information about all socalled masters
(frauds every one of them even though they may look so 'loving' at first sight.
In very clever and hidden ways, hard to see through for westerners, abusing the
longing for religion of sincere people, talking about meditation and improving
the world (very clever trick) while in reality their only goal is that you
submit yourself to the 'master',they have double agendas and are after name fame
political influence money etc etc etc but absolutely NOT after the wellbeing of
the meditators).
> Just scroll through the answers and use for example search + name of your
socalled guru. F e the reasons why sant mat has succes among some indian people,
distortions of the books etc., why western people are so vulnerable for this,
and all this from the point of view of sikhs, who share the same culture and can
see through things easier than those born outside this culture. Sikhism is the
original religion of all of the socalled masters.
>

i forgot to add the link! here it comes:
http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/by+Topic!OpenView

search button is at the left, look for radha soami

best to all of you


--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "sohappytobealive" <sohappytobealive@...> wrote:
>
> i found on internet this site, an old forum about sikhhism. when you type
'radha soami' under 'search' you find information about all socalled masters
(frauds every one of them even though they may look so 'loving' at first sight.
In very clever and hidden ways, hard to see through for westerners, abusing the
longing for religion of sincere people, talking about meditation and improving
the world (very clever trick) while in reality their only goal is that you
submit yourself to the 'master',they have double agendas and are after name fame
political influence money etc etc etc but absolutely NOT after the wellbeing of
the meditators).
> Just scroll through the answers and use for example search + name of your
socalled guru. F e the reasons why sant mat has succes among some indian people,
distortions of the books etc., why western people are so vulnerable for this,
and all this from the point of view of sikhs, who share the same culture and can
see through things easier than those born outside this culture. Sikhism is the
original religion of all of the socalled masters.
>

Hello Everyone,


We all know that "Spiritual stuff"
get overly serious.  How about non-duality questions?

Watch this full screen if you can.

http://bit.ly/d6GKl8


This Satsang over in Spain is interested in
non duality.

http://satsang.es/stage/


Temp

The  teachings of Sant Mat stress that
this world should be regarded as a dark
dungeon which is ruled by an evil spirit (Kal).


It is not to be given any respect.  It
is a theatre of karma in which cause
and effect rules people's lives, who
are helpless victims.  There is only
one "Magical" person in the world who
can cut the karmic ties of his chosen
sheep, enabling them to escape the
cycle of transmigration.

That is the Master.  Any one who is
lucky enough to accept this master
and then follow the rules will be
able to escape.

Seva and meditation are the oxygen
that feeds this process of spiritual
liberation.

If one's meditation is not working
out well then Seva becomes the chief means
of guaranteeing that one will be "Saved"
and not have to come back to the world.

Thus we often see otherwise sweet-natured
people contorting themselves to perform
seva, in an irrational manner, relegating their
closest friends and family members to a
profoundly secondary status.

Let us give them our sympathy.  They have gambled
their whole lives on following a belief system
and they have no tangible results to show for
their sacrifice.  Seva for the Master and by this
work also earning the right to have his "Darshan"
becomes a practical option to turn the situation
around and make it all worthwhile in the end.

These people need your love and friendship.  It
is too late for them ever to abandon their faith
in the existence of a Perfect Master.  Be their
friend to the end.  In there somewhere is a little
soul that used to be a beautiful baby.


Temp

Is there another group where real exsatsangis are hanging out?

Hi cda,

Since RSSB has virtually collapsed for many
of the older satsangis, this site has not been
very active for a while.  But many people look in
to see if there is someone new they may be able
to talk with.

Any thoughts or observations about your life now?
Most of us have been through the "wringer" in our
search for truth.

We welcome you.

temp






--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, "cdaf182" <cdaf182@...> wrote:
>
> Is there another group where real exsatsangis are hanging out?
>

Thanks for your post.

In my case I was a satsangi for many years and I had made sant mat the center of
my life.  I was lucky that a series of things happened to me that enabled me to
be able to open my eyes to fact that it was a cult, and that its members could
no longer think independently but were mesmerized completely.  It took me years
to mentally get out of a satsangi way of thinking.  I have had to create an
entirely new world for myself.  One thing I regret is that it is now impossible
for me to be around satsangis anymore.  It's like I have to hold my breath all
the while I am with them.

Why?

Exactly the same reason that it is impossible to be around a "born-again
Christian".  Real conversation is impossible.

In order to remain polite and civil in a satsangi's company you need always to
suppress thoughts that occur to you naturally in conversation, otherwise the
satsangi will get caught up in a line of cult thinking which you will then have
to listen to, with no hope of interaction or genuine dialogue.

I prefer to be around people with whom I can say anything at all and they will
listen to what I say and respond however they want to.  I will listen to what
they say, etc.  There is the phenomenon of each of us changing or refining the
outlook of the other person or even helping each other by sharing things from
our separate life experiences.

It has taken me many years to disentangle the sant mat point of view from my
psyche.  At first I was desperate to find something to take the place of sant
mat.  I was maybe like someone who had been a dedicated communist all his or her
life and had believed they were working every day to ultimately make the world a
better place, then after seeing the reality of the real world organization, its
deceptions, cruelties, etc. wakes up in a post-communist world and wants to
know, "Now, what do I believe in?  What do I dedicate myself to, if not
communism?"

The person might then switch to the Green Movement, or to an organization
dedicated to eliminate world hunger.  Or, depending on the personality of the
ex-communist, she might go back to college and learn a new profession, or
further develop skills as an artist, or get a job with the park service so she
could live in a natural place, enjoying the sunshine and listening to the little
birds every day.

Some people actually start alternative religious groups, such as

The Church of the Churchless

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/


In any case, if you can connect back to your emotional self, as you were, just
before you first heard of sant mat, then you can continue your search and
exploration for personal truth.

The best is yet to come for you.


temp





--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Keats <elizabethkeats@...> wrote:
>
> I was so relieved to see a real message rather than a fake one. Perhaps there
> are others who would like to discuss some of the ways life goes on when RSSB
is
> no longer the center of one's life.
>
> For 33 years or so, it was the center of mine, and I was an unhappy woman.
Since
> I have freed myself from the unhealthy aspects, my life is so much lighter and
> happier. I have found much to admire in Eckart Tolle's work, even though I
> resisted reading such a popular book for years. Anything Oprah's recommending
is
> something I want to avoid. Yet I have found more practical, specific, and
> liberating material in his words than in so many "just do your simran"
satsangs.
>
>
> I would like to know from anyone interested in responding--do you miss having
a
> group to share your spiritual journey with? While Clarence Edwards was alive,
> Chicago's satsang was family to me. Without him, while there are a few people
I
> will always love and cherish, the heart was gone. I have often thought about
> creating my own little spiritual support group. Has anyone done that? How has
it
> worked?
>
> Are there other writers, approaches, ideas that have inspired you? While I no
> longer feel the guilt and frustration of the Neurotic Satsangi, I still feel
the
> pull of spiritual evolution. That journey remains center to my life.
>
> Anybody want to talk for a while?
>
> Elizabeth
>

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, temporary2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your post.
>
> In my case I was a satsangi for many years and I had made sant mat the center
of my life.  I was lucky that a series of things happened to me that enabled me
to be able to open my eyes to fact that it was a cult, and that its members
could no longer think independently but were mesmerized completely.  It took me
years to mentally get out of a satsangi way of thinking.  I have had to create
an entirely new world for myself.  One thing I regret is that it is now
impossible for me to be around satsangis anymore.  It's like I have to hold my
breath all the while I am with them.
>
> Why?
>
> Exactly the same reason that it is impossible to be around a "born-again
Christian".  Real conversation is impossible.

I find this to be exasperatingly true as well, I call it the SantMatization of
reality.

For example.  "Hi John, did you hear about Bob's kid, he won the lottery".  John
remarks, "Oh, that was his good karma, but ya know we shouldn't get attached to
this world and all its ups and downs, it could be his undoing....bla bla bla". 
It is utterly creepy.

Looks like Elizabeth did not re-visit.  It would be great if this site could be
infused with some new posts.  I believe there's silent herd of aging, Western
"use to be's" out there!


>
> In order to remain polite and civil in a satsangi's company you need always to
suppress thoughts that occur to you naturally in conversation, otherwise the
satsangi will get caught up in a line of cult thinking which you will then have
to listen to, with no hope of interaction or genuine dialogue.
>
> I prefer to be around people with whom I can say anything at all and they will
listen to what I say and respond however they want to.  I will listen to what
they say, etc.  There is the phenomenon of each of us changing or refining the
outlook of the other person or even helping each other by sharing things from
our separate life experiences.
>
> It has taken me many years to disentangle the sant mat point of view from my
psyche.  At first I was desperate to find something to take the place of sant
mat.  I was maybe like someone who had been a dedicated communist all his or her
life and had believed they were working every day to ultimately make the world a
better place, then after seeing the reality of the real world organization, its
deceptions, cruelties, etc. wakes up in a post-communist world and wants to
know, "Now, what do I believe in?  What do I dedicate myself to, if not
communism?"



Can relate to the above.  Well articulated.




>
> The person might then switch to the Green Movement, or to an organization
dedicated to eliminate world hunger.  Or, depending on the personality of the
ex-communist, she might go back to college and learn a new profession, or
further develop skills as an artist, or get a job with the park service so she
could live in a natural place, enjoying the sunshine and listening to the little
birds every day.
>
> Some people actually start alternative religious groups, such as
>
> The Church of the Churchless
>
> http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/
>
>
> In any case, if you can connect back to your emotional self, as you were, just
before you first heard of sant mat, then you can continue your search and
exploration for personal truth.
>
> The best is yet to come for you.
>
>
> temp
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Keats <elizabethkeats@> wrote:
> >
> > I was so relieved to see a real message rather than a fake one. Perhaps
there
> > are others who would like to discuss some of the ways life goes on when RSSB
is
> > no longer the center of one's life.
> >
> > For 33 years or so, it was the center of mine, and I was an unhappy woman.
Since
> > I have freed myself from the unhealthy aspects, my life is so much lighter
and
> > happier. I have found much to admire in Eckart Tolle's work, even though I
> > resisted reading such a popular book for years. Anything Oprah's
recommending is
> > something I want to avoid. Yet I have found more practical, specific, and
> > liberating material in his words than in so many "just do your simran"
satsangs.
> >
> >
> > I would like to know from anyone interested in responding--do you miss
having a
> > group to share your spiritual journey with? While Clarence Edwards was
alive,
> > Chicago's satsang was family to me. Without him, while there are a few
people I
> > will always love and cherish, the heart was gone. I have often thought about
> > creating my own little spiritual support group. Has anyone done that? How
has it
> > worked?
> >
> > Are there other writers, approaches, ideas that have inspired you? While I
no
> > longer feel the guilt and frustration of the Neurotic Satsangi, I still feel
the
> > pull of spiritual evolution. That journey remains center to my life.
> >
> > Anybody want to talk for a while?
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
>

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Keats <elizabethkeats@...> wrote:
>
> I was so relieved to see a real message rather than a fake one. Perhaps there
> are others who would like to discuss some of the ways life goes on when RSSB
is
> no longer the center of one's life.
>
> For 33 years or so, it was the center of mine, and I was an unhappy woman.
Since
> I have freed myself from the unhealthy aspects, my life is so much lighter and
> happier. I have found much to admire in Eckart Tolle's work, even though I
> resisted reading such a popular book for years. Anything Oprah's recommending
is
> something I want to avoid. Yet I have found more practical, specific, and
> liberating material in his words than in so many "just do your simran"
satsangs.
>
>
> I would like to know from anyone interested in responding--do you miss having
a
> group to share your spiritual journey with? While Clarence Edwards was alive,
> Chicago's satsang was family to me. Without him, while there are a few people
I
> will always love and cherish, the heart was gone. I have often thought about
> creating my own little spiritual support group. Has anyone done that? How has
it
> worked?
>
> Are there other writers, approaches, ideas that have inspired you? While I no
> longer feel the guilt and frustration of the Neurotic Satsangi, I still feel
the
> pull of spiritual evolution. That journey remains center to my life.
>
> Anybody want to talk for a while?
>
> Elizabeth
>


HI Elizabeth --- I am acquainted with the Chicago sangat, or was.  Will check
back to see if you return to chat.

Dear Strolling By,

Familiar with Chicago area, are you?

Then by any chance, do you know anything
about this person?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fojv2G-Kw6o

temp




--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, strolling_by <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Keats <elizabethkeats@> wrote:
> >
> > I was so relieved to see a real message rather than a fake one. Perhaps
there
> > are others who would like to discuss some of the ways life goes on when RSSB
is
> > no longer the center of one's life.
> >
> > For 33 years or so, it was the center of mine, and I was an unhappy woman.
Since
> > I have freed myself from the unhealthy aspects, my life is so much lighter
and
> > happier. I have found much to admire in Eckart Tolle's work, even though I
> > resisted reading such a popular book for years. Anything Oprah's
recommending is
> > something I want to avoid. Yet I have found more practical, specific, and
> > liberating material in his words than in so many "just do your simran"
satsangs.
> >
> >
> > I would like to know from anyone interested in responding--do you miss
having a
> > group to share your spiritual journey with? While Clarence Edwards was
alive,
> > Chicago's satsang was family to me. Without him, while there are a few
people I
> > will always love and cherish, the heart was gone. I have often thought about
> > creating my own little spiritual support group. Has anyone done that? How
has it
> > worked?
> >
> > Are there other writers, approaches, ideas that have inspired you? While I
no
> > longer feel the guilt and frustration of the Neurotic Satsangi, I still feel
the
> > pull of spiritual evolution. That journey remains center to my life.
> >
> > Anybody want to talk for a while?
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
>
>
> HI Elizabeth --- I am acquainted with the Chicago sangat, or was.  Will check
back to see if you return to chat.
>

Yes, he was well-liked but a bit of showman....think he was eventually taken off
the satsang circuit.

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, temporary2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Strolling By,
>
> Familiar with Chicago area, are you?
>
> Then by any chance, do you know anything
> about this person?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fojv2G-Kw6o
>
> temp
>
>
>
>
> --- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, strolling_by <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Keats <elizabethkeats@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was so relieved to see a real message rather than a fake one. Perhaps
there
> > > are others who would like to discuss some of the ways life goes on when
RSSB is
> > > no longer the center of one's life.
> > >
> > > For 33 years or so, it was the center of mine, and I was an unhappy woman.
Since
> > > I have freed myself from the unhealthy aspects, my life is so much lighter
and
> > > happier. I have found much to admire in Eckart Tolle's work, even though I
> > > resisted reading such a popular book for years. Anything Oprah's
recommending is
> > > something I want to avoid. Yet I have found more practical, specific, and
> > > liberating material in his words than in so many "just do your simran"
satsangs.
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to know from anyone interested in responding--do you miss
having a
> > > group to share your spiritual journey with? While Clarence Edwards was
alive,
> > > Chicago's satsang was family to me. Without him, while there are a few
people I
> > > will always love and cherish, the heart was gone. I have often thought
about
> > > creating my own little spiritual support group. Has anyone done that? How
has it
> > > worked?
> > >
> > > Are there other writers, approaches, ideas that have inspired you? While I
no
> > > longer feel the guilt and frustration of the Neurotic Satsangi, I still
feel the
> > > pull of spiritual evolution. That journey remains center to my life.
> > >
> > > Anybody want to talk for a while?
> > >
> > > Elizabeth
> > >
> >
> >
> > HI Elizabeth --- I am acquainted with the Chicago sangat, or was.  Will
check back to see if you return to chat.
> >
>

with the thought that I believed in the Sant Mat fairy tale because I had no
faith in the natural processes of life; in their unfathomnable mysteries. My
beliefs were based on a fear of death and on a need to control/escape the big,
bad world...or at least I could comfort myself that I had a Guru Daddy who
might, if I was "good", control things on my behalf; make me safer and give me
special passage at death.

It seems so crazy now --not that I regret the feelings of manic  devotion I had
for my guru, but that I needed a cooked up, "exotic" framework to give meaning
to my life...a "religion" where people develop back problems from sitting for 2
1/2 hours a day or walk around consumed with guilt for not putting in the
requisite time that day, and who become antisocial and judgemental about
non-satsangis; a religion whose mythology has someone standing on one leg for
yugas of time. It's embarrassing the things I believed.

Now, I like not knowing what is next; I have trust in not knowing, in the
mystery, and I have trust that all is well whatever the heck it is. I'm
comfortable with what I don't and can't know. My ego doesn't require
"specialness" any more. I am happy to go the way of the ants, the deer, the
little mice that scurry around. Why do I need fairy tales to make me feel
better? In the words of the inimitable James Brown..."I feel good!"

No, life after Sant Mat is more relaxed for me and less filled with debilitating
guilt. At the same time, whatever floats one's boat is aok with me.

Best wishes, free.

Dear Free,

What a delightful and moving little post
to share with all of us.  It is lovely to
read thoughts that are so balanced and charitable.
You must have worked very long and hard to have
reached your present graceful outlook.  Considering
the depths of cultic mythology you had unwittingly
become involved in and sacrificed your personal
belief in yourself to.

I love your last line, "At the same time,
whatever floats one's boat is aok with me."

It reminds me of a video I saw last year made by
someone whose life had been changed by a profound
Near Death Experience.  He said that he realized his
loneliness in life came from the fact that he had been
emotionally neglected as a small child and had not
known this until later.  But even after his NDE he
still had problems in his life:

"It's been a very rough road.  But I recognize too,
that I've learned a lot of lessons.  And I had to go
through a lot of this.  I returned from the "enfoldment
in the light" with only the remembrance of going to a
place that loved me and deeply, deeply loved me."

He concludes by saying he sees each person has
certain problems that they are trying to work their
way through and they have "lessons" that they need to
learn before they can move to the next step.  He says,

"Even if we don't like what other people are doing
or saying, or whatever, we can have compassion that
they're coming from their place – which may NOT be our
place – and they're probably doing the best they can –
so in this way we can build a more loving and understanding
society by releasing our need to judge."

This is how I see people who are still caught up in a
system of thought that I may once have believed in but
no longer do.


--temp











--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, freefallinow <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> with the thought that I believed in the Sant Mat fairy tale because I had no
faith in the natural processes of life; in their unfathomnable mysteries. My
beliefs were based on a fear of death and on a need to control/escape the big,
bad world...or at least I could comfort myself that I had a Guru Daddy who
might, if I was "good", control things on my behalf; make me safer and give me
special passage at death.
>
> It seems so crazy now --not that I regret the feelings of manic  devotion I
had for my guru, but that I needed a cooked up, "exotic" framework to give
meaning to my life...a "religion" where people develop back problems from
sitting for 2 1/2 hours a day or walk around consumed with guilt for not putting
in the requisite time that day, and who become antisocial and judgemental about
non-satsangis; a religion whose mythology has someone standing on one leg for
yugas of time. It's embarrassing the things I believed.
>
> Now, I like not knowing what is next; I have trust in not knowing, in the
mystery, and I have trust that all is well whatever the heck it is. I'm
comfortable with what I don't and can't know. My ego doesn't require
"specialness" any more. I am happy to go the way of the ants, the deer, the
little mice that scurry around. Why do I need fairy tales to make me feel
better? In the words of the inimitable James Brown..."I feel good!"
>
> No, life after Sant Mat is more relaxed for me and less filled with
debilitating guilt. At the same time, whatever floats one's boat is aok with me.
>
> Best wishes, free.
>

Hi Temp, thanks for your kind reply and the re-cap of the video. Interesting and
beautiful how those NDE's spin one's take on life.

May we dip ourselves regularly in the sweetness of compassion as we navigate
this wild, wonderful planet. Cheers, free

--- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, temporary2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Free,
>
> What a delightful and moving little post
> to share with all of us.  It is lovely to
> read thoughts that are so balanced and charitable.
> You must have worked very long and hard to have
> reached your present graceful outlook.  Considering
> the depths of cultic mythology you had unwittingly
> become involved in and sacrificed your personal
> belief in yourself to.
>
> I love your last line, "At the same time,
> whatever floats one's boat is aok with me."
>
> It reminds me of a video I saw last year made by
> someone whose life had been changed by a profound
> Near Death Experience.  He said that he realized his
> loneliness in life came from the fact that he had been
> emotionally neglected as a small child and had not
> known this until later.  But even after his NDE he
> still had problems in his life:
>
> "It's been a very rough road.  But I recognize too,
> that I've learned a lot of lessons.  And I had to go
> through a lot of this.  I returned from the "enfoldment
> in the light" with only the remembrance of going to a
> place that loved me and deeply, deeply loved me."
>
> He concludes by saying he sees each person has
> certain problems that they are trying to work their
> way through and they have "lessons" that they need to
> learn before they can move to the next step.  He says,
>
> "Even if we don't like what other people are doing
> or saying, or whatever, we can have compassion that
> they're coming from their place – which may NOT be our
> place – and they're probably doing the best they can –
> so in this way we can build a more loving and understanding
> society by releasing our need to judge."
>
> This is how I see people who are still caught up in a
> system of thought that I may once have believed in but
> no longer do.
>
>
> --temp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In exsat@yahoogroups.com, freefallinow <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > with the thought that I believed in the Sant Mat fairy tale because I had no
faith in the natural processes of life; in their unfathomnable mysteries. My
beliefs were based on a fear of death and on a need to control/escape the big,
bad world...or at least I could comfort myself that I had a Guru Daddy who
might, if I was "good", control things on my behalf; make me safer and give me
special passage at death.
> >
> > It seems so crazy now --not that I regret the feelings of manic  devotion I
had for my guru, but that I needed a cooked up, "exotic" framework to give
meaning to my life...a "religion" where people develop back problems from
sitting for 2 1/2 hours a day or walk around consumed with guilt for not putting
in the requisite time that day, and who become antisocial and judgemental about
non-satsangis; a religion whose mythology has someone standing on one leg for
yugas of time. It's embarrassing the things I believed.
> >
> > Now, I like not knowing what is next; I have trust in not knowing, in the
mystery, and I have trust that all is well whatever the heck it is. I'm
comfortable with what I don't and can't know. My ego doesn't require
"specialness" any more. I am happy to go the way of the ants, the deer, the
little mice that scurry around. Why do I need fairy tales to make me feel
better? In the words of the inimitable James Brown..."I feel good!"
> >
> > No, life after Sant Mat is more relaxed for me and less filled with
debilitating guilt. At the same time, whatever floats one's boat is aok with me.
> >
> > Best wishes, free.
> >
>