Hi, I've just joined this list and was immediately stirred into thought by the following passage, please forgive me if what I say is a bit off topic. ... a ......
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Amber Leigh Griffioen
griffioe@...
Aug 8, 2000 3:52 pm
... Again, the difference between objective and subjective/relative truth. I agree with Jack that objective truths exists, and a collective agreement does not...
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Misam Abbas
misam_abbas@...
Aug 9, 2000 9:47 am
Is there a philosophy of humor ? What makes a thing humorous ? Is it necessary for all humor to have a puerile component ? I would very much appreciate any...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 9, 2000 12:50 pm
... Lets apply this same argument to science. I claim there's no such thing as atoms...we can observe and measure the effects of atoms but never see atoms...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 10, 2000 1:48 am
I believe humor, the joke form, is of the most pure forms of expression of ideas, attitudes and the such that are most usually socially controlled. When a...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 10, 2000 2:08 am
I agree with what has been said about subjective reality--people make clear distinctions between where they end and where the outside world begings, and tend ...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 10, 2000 12:26 pm
... What is a "pure" form of expression? ... I like that! Do you think humor is a mechanism for detachment? For example, if I said "Every night I dream I...
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Jack Darach
jack.darach@...
Aug 11, 2000 12:04 am
Hello everyone, Thanks for the response, its given me quite a lot to consider. I don't like standard definitions of Truth and Knowledge. I would recommend...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 11, 2000 1:56 am
Hi people. "Truth lies in action..." I don't think this is an off statement, but there are different facets of what truth may be. It can be idea or action,...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 11, 2000 11:53 am
... Me neither. To me: Knowledge is that we deem a fact. Truth is that which is regardless of perception. -- Signature...... "In the best relationships sex is...
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Jack Darach
jack.darach@...
Aug 11, 2000 12:32 pm
Thanks for another reply, which has yet again made me re-think what I said. Here is another version, getting any better? ... McDuff says, 'I'm going to sail...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 11, 2000 10:32 pm
Man, we've really gone around this thing...TTRRRUUUUTH! Now I think what we need to mention is that ethical aspect of ourselves, that part of us that has to in...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 11, 2000 10:36 pm
Zeitman: Can you explain more what you mean by "Knowledge is that we deem a fact. Truth is that which is regarldless of perception". Do you mean that knowledge...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 12, 2000 1:33 pm
... Sure, tell me something you know that isn't a fact. If you say "I know there's a god", I'll simply say prove it. And then you might say "well obviously...
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Stephanie
only_fantasy@...
Aug 12, 2000 11:21 pm
My name is Stephanie and I am a currently-off, somtimes-on student of Philosophy; my special interest is Existentialism and what I call literary philosophers,...
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Jack Darach
jack.darach@...
Aug 13, 2000 11:09 am
Hi Stephanie & all, "Reason is the ability to modify your beliefs in accordance with truth" I'd change it to, "Reason is the ability to modify your beliefs in...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 13, 2000 1:24 pm
... Excellent. ... (...and Randy, being a human, thinks to himself 'I have someone who agrees with me, I have more evidence I'm right'. This is part of the ...
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Misam Abbas
misam_abbas@...
Aug 14, 2000 4:29 am
The discussion has been pretty intense , and somehow the definition "Truth is that which is regarldless of perception" doesn't seem convincing to me , for of...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 14, 2000 1:39 pm
... No one said we don't perceive. I said if something is true it's true regardless of perception. And again, I mean *really true* (existential true, not...
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Stephanie
only_fantasy@...
Aug 14, 2000 9:25 pm
... well, "truth is that which is regardless of perception" implies the existence of an objective truth that need not be perceived and, thus, is insusceptible...
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patty duke
australafemina@...
Aug 15, 2000 1:23 am
Hello. Jack, this is in reply to you. I thought about your distinctions in the phrases and I think putting in 'your' truths can also be true (I can't deny it,...
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Jack Darach
jack.darach@...
Aug 15, 2000 11:58 am
Hey all, Hello Randy: No one said we don't perceive. I said if something is true it's true regardless of perception. And again, I mean *really true* ...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 15, 2000 12:59 pm
... I don't think it implies it any more than defining a Unicorn implies it objectively exists. There's also no implication that truth needs to be perceived or...
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Amber Leigh Griffioen
griffioe@...
Aug 15, 2000 4:06 pm
... Ah, but DOES defining a Unicorn mean it objectively exists? Sounds pretty Platonic to me! Are we talking world of ideas here? Or does it "subsist"? Just...
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Stephanie
only_fantasy@...
Aug 15, 2000 6:42 pm
... right - that's in perfect agreement with what i said. truth "is" whether it's perceived or not. ... any conclusion that we make *solely* based on...
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Stephanie
only_fantasy@...
Aug 15, 2000 6:47 pm
no, i don't think having a definition of the word "unicorn" gives any substance to the truth that there exists such a creature as a unicorn. the unicorn is a...
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paul john
pxjohn@...
Aug 15, 2000 11:36 pm
Since the velocity of light = constant, then space and time is relative to the observer. Similiarly Being is constant and truth is relative? ... From: Randy...
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Misam Abbas
misam_abbas@...
Aug 16, 2000 3:55 am
Amber's mail , inadvertantly sent only to me . ... From: Amber Leigh Griffioen [mailto:griffioe@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:06 PM To:...
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Randy Zeitman
randzman@...
Aug 16, 2000 11:56 pm
... I'm not saying there's any truths! I'm simply making the distinction between what I call a real truth (truth without perception) and what you and I call a...
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Jack
jack.darach@...
Aug 17, 2000 3:31 pm
Hey all, Thanks for the reply Randy, its cleared up most of the confusion I obviously had with your thoughts. A few things... <snippetty-snip> ... I see...
