Hi Everyone,



I spoke to my son, Johnathan last night on IM.  We had not spoken in
awhile and he wanted to know how I was doing. We had a really good talk.
We shared about our holiday shopping and how we are spending more than we
wanted. We talked about his reading of the New testament. I told him about
Lee Strobel’s new book, “The Case for the Real Jesus.”  It is his latest
book that explores the questions recently raised about Jesus by prominent
atheists and liberal scholars. My son has liked this author and so he
asked if I would get it for him for Christmas.  I also got him a gift
certificate for a massage which he loves to get every Christmas. He asked
me if I had listened to the most recent political debates and we did our
usual discussing of politics and who we support and why we support them.
We did find some common ground there and are respectful even though we
disagree on a number of points.



I reminded him that his dad’s birthday is December 5th.  He was glad I did
because he had forgotten.  As we continued talking he said that he had
found a great e-card he was going to send his dad and showed me what he
had written on the e-card to his dad. It almost made me cry. Here is what
he said:



  I just want to wish my wonderful father a happy birthday and say how
proud I am to have you as my father. I want you to know how much I
appreciate all you have done for me over the years, and that I know it has
been difficult, for both of us. However I have my first job in the game
industry now and I am very happy with what I do. I wouldn't have been able
to do it without your love and support.

  :

More than that, you have also been a very kind father to me. Many fathers
are not so kind to their sons, especially when they find out that their
sons may be flawed. I am glad that you have loved me so unconditionally.
For this, I can honestly say that I love you, and I look forward to the
coming years on this Earth, and the life to come.



Love,

~Johnathan



These are the precious moments that help you know that the Spirit of the
Lord is working here.



Blessings to you all, Bridget









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12-3-2007
APA Shuns Academic and Religious Coalition on
Homosexuality

by Jennifer Mesko, managing editor of Citizen Link

Focus on the Family, others want faith of patients
considered in therapy decisions.

Focus on the Family and 20 million Americans have been
denied input into an American Psychological
Association panel on homosexuality.

This summer, a task force set up by the APA began
reviewing the organization's 10-year-old policy on
therapy for homosexuality. The APA opposes counseling
that treats same-sex attraction as a mental illness;
some psychologists want the APA to forbid therapies
that address unwanted same-sex attraction.

In a letter sent in June, Focus on the Family joined
more than 250 signers — representing about 20 million
people in the pro-family, academic, scientific and
therapeutic communities — in urging the APA to respect
the religious commitments of their clients, even if
that means they decline to identify as homosexual.

"There are folks who struggle with same-sex attraction
who, because of their religious beliefs, do not find
living homosexually to be acceptable to them," said
Carrie Gordon Earll, senior director of issue analysis
at Focus on the Family Action. "They should have a
right to have access to therapy, to therapists who can
help them live out the fact that change is possible."

The letter requested a meeting with APA leaders, but
so far, that request has been ignored. In September,
APA Board President Sharon Stephens Brehm responded to
Focus on the Family, saying, "We will not be meeting
with individual advocacy organizations."

Yet, it was pro-gay "advocacy organizations" that
initially suggested an update to APA policies.

And a report earlier this year by Ex-Gay Watch — a
recognized pro-gay blog — revealed a meeting between
the APA’s director of LGBT Concerns Office, Dr.
Clinton Anderson, and the former assistant director of
Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) Ron
Schlittler.

That same report stated that Anderson sought formal
opinions from PFLAG and the National Gay and Lesbian
Task Force in September 2005 in anticipation of
forming the APA task force.

Focus on the Family sent another letter — this one in
early November — again asking for a meeting with the
APA.

Just before Thanksgiving, Brehm sent another response
to Focus on the Family, pledging to share its concerns
with the Board of Directors at its Dec. 7-9 meeting.

"The task force is actually going to be hurt by a
decision by APA leadership to deny them the
opportunity to meet with these experts," Earll said,
"and we're still hoping that that will change."




      
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Award-Winning Ex Lesbian Columnist  Speaks Out!

Debbie Thurman is an ex-gay woman who is married. She speaks out
about how ex-gays simply do not even exist according to gay
propaganda. Debbie Thurman, award-winning columnist and author of
such books as From Depression To Wholeness: The Anatomy of Healing,
and Outsmarting Depression: Surviving the Crossfire of the Mental
Health Wars, is the founder of Family Mental Health Advocacy.


The APA's Pro-Gay "River of Denial"

By Debbie Thurman

Along with ex-gays, will we soon have a network of ex-APA members?
The American Psychological Association grows more and more
uncomfortable with those in their ranks who counsel homosexual
clients seeking to change their sexual orientation. Will these
members soon be forced to leave APA?

A six-member APA Task Force has been formed to address the
therapeutic interventions used to change same-sex attraction. They
will be updating the 10-year-old guidelines for such therapies.

If the APA decides to ban such therapy, not only will it disregard
empirical evidence, but it will also close itself off to recognition
of the fourth realm (in addition to the bio-psycho-social) where
change has been shown to be especially effective -- the spiritual.
This defines the work of counseling ministries for ex-gays in
recovery, more properly referred to as "discipleship." And that
omission would, most assuredly, "do harm."

I can count myself among the growing numbers of men and women who
have overcome a significant struggle with same-sex attraction. While
our stories and the degree to which we have found wholeness may be
different, the central themes are often similar. Frequently, you
will find we came from broken homes, were alienated from one or both
parents, were sexually abused as children, are sensitive by
temperament, and suffered from depression.

Preservation of a Marriage

I raise my hand to all of the above. In fact, I fought a 10-year,
life-and-death battle with major depressive disorder. Were it not
for my faith and loving, nonjudgmental people coming alongside me --
in addition to wise counsel from professional therapists -- I might
be living in a very different place today. Instead, I am with my
husband of 26 years in a marriage that tottered on the brink of
failure because of my quest for what I perceived as self-fulfilling
wholeness with other women -- a "need" that had plagued me since my
youth.

Remember the story about a scene in hell where people are trying to
feed themselves with spoons that are too long to reach their mouths?
That about sums up the state of desperately needing -- but never
finding -- nourishment through a self-destructive, counterfeit
version of love. That's why so many of us seek help in changing.

Yet, I have had gay activists virtually tell me to my face that I --
as I define myself -- simply don't exist. Will the APA, too, simply
choose to "poof" me away? If so, they'd better think again. The
elephant in the living room is getting larger.

Just as many gays remain closeted, so do a number of ex-gays. Not
all of us are going to be front and center in discussing our
journey. Most of us have no interest in going on the Oprah Show.
It's painful for most people to disclose their personal struggles.
The time has come, however, when more of us are realizing the need
to stand up and be counted. We have watched pro-gay sentiment, based
on lots of raw emotion and little fact, win the day in the court of
public opinion as reflected through the established pillars of
society -- the medical/mental health fields, public education, the
mainstream media and, to a growing extent, even the church. This has
all been the result of a 30-year, concerted gay propaganda effort.
We have drawn the final straw, as far as I am concerned.

Disrespect for the Ex-Gay Experience

In order for gay activists to disparage the very possibility of
change in one's sexual orientation -- and convince the mental health
establishment to do the same -- they generally must engage in the
predictable ploy of ad hominem attacks on ex-gays, and the process
by which many claim to have achieved -- or be in the process of
achieving -- stability and meaning in their lives.

It's not a black-and-white process, of course. "Change" covers a
range of acceptable degrees for those who have long been unhappy
living as homosexuals. No, they are not unhappy because of a society
that discriminates against them. Their misery lies much deeper. I
believe it is an instinctive recoiling against the new, man-created
image of human nature that bears so little resemblance to the divine
image we are meant to reflect. Humanity will never be able to draw
what it needs from its own shallow, self-contained wells. The most
effective therapists are the ones who understand human nature in
this way.

Why is this plain and simple, counterfeit quality of homosexuality
so hard to see? On an elemental level, two negative or two positive
poles simply cannot be united. Neither can two locks ... or two
keys. For a person to accept a gay identity, he or she must deny the
fundamental truth that we are created for gender complementarity.
Deny something long enough, and you may actually believe you are
happy in your delusion. Is it ethical for a therapist to facilitate
that "happy" delusion? It's certainly the popular path of least
resistance. I believe that ultimately, this "swimming-downstream-
with-the-crowd" strategy will ultimately fail for both gay activists
and the APA.

Isn't it significant that highly respected studies (Laumann, et al)
[1] have shown homosexuality to be an unstable trait that can change
over time, rather than the immutable identity gay activists insist
that it is? Show me just one other instance where the "proof" needed
to declare a behavior or trait as in-born boils down to "But it
feels like it's so!"

Many self-proclaimed lesbians, in particular, have long admitted to
choosing their gay orientation as an act of feminist solidarity.
Bisexuality is en vogue among women, particularly teen girls. It is
something they simply put on or take off at will, in many cases.
It's a dangerous game, of course. Suicidal depression rates are
unusually high among young women who are sexually confused, as shown
in a study headed by Dr. Elizabeth Saewyc at the University of
British Columbia's McCreary Centre Society, reported in 2006.[2]

Sticky problems arise when a number of those who have "always felt"
homosexual begin moving along the continuum of feeling less so, and
at the same time, actually begin feeling better about themselves.
How dare we forsake the gay cause célebrè? Like crabs trying to
escape from a bucket, gay activists begin dragging us down.

Detractors insist that measurable results must be quick, and that
change "isn't change" if it requires a long process. These same
people generally see life as a continual "journey" in all other
respects. But if someone gives up during the long process, that is
somehow "proof" that change is a sham. Never mind that overeaters,
alcoholics or drug addicts fall off the wagon every day. The
standard for sexual identity change remains "all or nothing"!

So where are the mental health professionals who will stand up and
challenge these untruths? Why do they allow the APA to hijack the
truth?

APA Refuses to Meet with Leaders
Holding Dissenting Worldviews

The APA recently dismissed a group of conservative religious leaders
and counselors who were requesting input into the proceedings of
APA's new Task Force, denying the group's request for a meeting.

"Church denominational leaders, practicing psychologists, counselors
and organizations dedicated to assisting individuals who want to
change their sexual orientation requested to meet with the task
force to share their understanding of the issue," according to a
Baptist Press story.[3]

But the APA cited its need "to keep the emphasis on the science" and
maintain their distance from advocacy groups, according to a Sept. 7
letter sent to the conservative coalition.

That "distance from advocacy groups" that the APA said it needed,
apparently did not refer to pro-gay groups. Clinton Anderson,
director of an APA committee on lesbian, gay, bisexual and
transgender (LGBT) concerns, met with Ron Schlittler, former
assistant director of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
(PFLAG), prior to the forming of the Task Force, according to
bloggers at Ex-Gay Watch. The meeting between Anderson and
Schlittler was to discuss the "aggressive promotion of 'reparative
therapy' by right-wing groups," according to Ex-Gay Watch.[4]

"We cannot take into account what are fundamentally negative
religious perceptions of homosexuality -- they don't fit into our
worldview," Anderson is reported to have said.[5] Anderson further
insisted that the new APA Task Force "would base its findings on
research, not ideology."

But "the concern about 'worldview' didn't stop them from including
Dr. Jack Drescher in their Task Force," says Rev. Bob Stith, head of
the Gender Issues Office of the Southern Baptist Convention. "He
[Drescher] just happens to be the editor of the Journal of Gay and
Lesbian Psychotherapy."[6]

If the panel adopts a position that such therapy is unethical,
therapists who offer help to homosexuals wishing to change could be
censured or lose their licenses to practice.

All this politicization of science is the reason I have chosen to
remain a layperson in my own mental-health advocacy and recovery
work. I simply refuse to bow to that kind of politically correct
pressure. I'll take the freedom to work outside the politicized APA
umbrella, over the prestige of having professional credentials, any
day. And, I am joined by an entire "army" of similar volunteers.

A new book by Dr. Stanton Jones and Dr. Mark Yarhouse, Ex-gays?: A
Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual
Orientation, concludes that there is little risk of harm from
therapy willingly sought by individuals seeking to change their same-
sex attraction, and substantiates that change (either the ability to
maintain celibacy, or a shift toward satisfactory heterosexuality)
does occur in a significant percentage of people, at a success rate
at least equivalent to treatment for depression.[7] This study,
combined with the growing numbers of people drawn to ex-gay
conferences sponsored by Exodus or Focus on the Family, has greatly
agitated the gay-activist community.

"The APA said it would consider alternate viewpoints, but totally
shunned nationally recognized therapists who treat those wanting to
leave homosexuality," said Stith. "I wonder why, if they're so
committed to 'science,' they would be afraid to hear an alternate
viewpoint."[8]

Stith received a letter earlier this year from Dr. Gerald Koocher, a
former president of the APA, in which Koocher stated, "Obviously,
some people change their sexual orientation: they change from
straight to gay and from gay to straight. What has never been shown
is that therapy of any type is effective in changing sexual
orientation."[9]

"The interesting thing is that he says, 'it has never been shown
that therapy is effective.' All of this sounds a lot like Orwellian
doublespeak," Stith said. "As I expressed in a letter to Dr.
Koocher, I think at some point, rank-and-file Americans are going to
lose confidence in therapists because more and more of them are
going to see the living proof of that which the APA says 'doesn't
happen.'"[10]


http://www.narth.com/docs/thurman.html

Poly Pride Week Celebrated In New York City

November 14, 2007 - The gay news source gaycitynews.com reported in
late October on a new trend within the LGBT community. It is the
celebration of polyamorous relationships.

In early October, LGBT activists held a "Poly Pride Weekend" in
Central Park in New York City. One of the main events was the
Cuddleparty, which involved numerous men and women demonstrating
their commitment to polyamory.

The event was sponsored by Polyamorous NYC, which holds monthly
meetings at the local LGBT community center. An average of 40
members attend these meetings and also belong to sexual networks
such as Body Temple, Sexy Spirits, One Taste, and B&D groups.

According to Polyamorous NYC founder Justen Bennett-
Maccubbin, "Polyamory is just as much an orientation as being gay."
He says he began his first polyamorous relationship at 19 with a gay
couple.

Rebecca Reagan spoke at the Central Park event. She grew up in a
polyamorous home with two married couples. The family broke up with
both couples remarried the alternate partner. According to
Reagan, "It's normal. It's not a big deal

http://www.narth.com/docs/polypride.html

The Exodus Global Alliance 2008 International Conference will be
held pn May 8-10, 2008 in Toronto, Canada.


For over 3 decades, Exodus Global Alliance has boldly proclaimed that
Change is Possible! Exodus proclaims freedom from homosexuality not
through a method but through a person, the Lord Jesus Christ!

We extend to you a warm invitation to attend our 5th international
conference, one of the most widely respected information and training
events on issues surrounding homosexuality.

During this international conference you will participate in intimate
worship, receive powerful teachings, be encouraged by relevant
testimonies, and gain a rich sense of the redeeming hope and freedom
that is available through our Lord.

Whether you come for yourself, a friend or relative, or to prepare
for ministry, this conference will touch your heart and equip you to
apply Jesus' truth and grace to yourself and those around you.

God has called each one of us to share God's truth and grace with
others – whether in our family, church, neighbourhood, or even a
foreign culture. The conference title says, "What the world needs to
know." What the world needs to know is that God has a life-changing
message for all men and women seeking a way out of homosexuality.

http://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/conferences98.php

Ex Gay Rock  n Roll Star... "Little Richard ".....turns 75

"Homosexuality is contagious. It's not something you're born with."
~Little Richard

The Religious Affiliation of Rock and Roll Star Little Richard

Little Richard is a long-time member of the Seventh-day Adventist
Church. The many ups and downs of his life include surprising
continued devotion to the church, despite his fame and frequently
unusual lifestyle. Little Richard attends the Ephasis Seventh-day
Adventist Church in Los Angeles, California. Little Richard grew up
in a Seventh-day Adventist family, but he mostly attended the New
Hope Baptist Church in Macon, Georgia (Turner, Hungry for Heaven, p.
19). He also attended a Holiness church.

He learned to play the piano and tried to sing gospel music, but he
was rejected from some churches for screaming the hymns. When he was
13, his father (who sold bootleg whiskey) kicked him out of the house
because of his bi-sexuality and rebellion. He moved in with a family
who ran the Tick Tock Club, where he began performing. By 1950,
Little Richard was a homosexual "drag queen," wearing dresses and
make-up. He was arrested at least twice for lewd conduct...
In 1955, Little Richard had his first big hit, "Tutti Frutti." The
words were so filthy they had to be rewritten. Though preachers who
denounced him were labeled racists

...Little Richard continues to dress somewhat in a feminine fashion
and use women's makeup, though he is married and is the father of
children. In his 1984 authorized biography, The Life and Times of
Little Richard by Charles White, Little Richard was quoted as
saying: "Homosexuality is contagious. It's not something you're born
with."

Little Richard... has been in and out of rock as well as in and out
of religion. In 1957, he quit his successful rock career, claiming he
had been warned of his own damnation in a vision. He took Voice of
Prophecy courses (Seventh-day Adventist), attended Oakwood College in
Huntsville, Alabama, and was ordained a minister in the Church of God
of the Ten Commandments. He stated that rock music is of the Devil
and that it is not possible to be a rocker and to please God at the
same time. In 1959, he married a Christian girl named Ernestine. In
1964, he returned to recording and performing rock music, as well as
to his sex orgies and drug abuse... In the late 1970s he again
renounced rock, drugs, and homosexuality, and once more began
preaching and singing gospel music, this time for the Universal
Remnant Church of God. He traveled and preached to hundreds of
thousands of people. For awhile he represented Memorial Bibles
International and sold the Black Heritage Bible.

In his sermons in the late '70s and early '80s, Little Richard
proclaimed that it is not possible to perform rock and to serve God
at the same time. He said, "I like Pat Boone as a friend, but he's
trying to serve two masters. Pat believes he can go to Las Vegas and
do his thing, then preach on Sunday.

I don't believe we can do that. God has not called us to do that. I
can never see myself going back to Rock 'n' Roll" (The Life and Times
of Little Richard, p. 202). In 1984, though, Little Richard launched
another comeback in the rock world and ever since he has attempted to
reconcile his role as a rock and roll star and his role as a
preacher. In January 1993, he and Chuck Berry performed at President
Bill Clinton's private inauguration party.

Little Richard has testified that rock music is demonic:

"My true belief about Rock 'n' Roll--and there have been a lot of
phrases attributed to me over the years--is this: I believe this kind
of music is demonic. ... A lot of the beats in music today are taken
from voodoo, from the voodoo drums. If you study music in rhythms,
like I have, you'll see that is true. I believe that kind of music is
driving people from Christ. It is contagious" (Little Richard, quoted
by Charles White, The Life and Times of Little Richard, p. 197).
"I was directed and commanded by another power. The power of
darkness ... The power that a lot of people don't believe exists. The
power of the Devil. Satan" (Little Richard, quoted in The Life and
Times of Little Richard, pp. 205,206).

Little Richard's theology is a homogenous mixture of Bible, Seventh-
day Adventism, even New Age. In his preaching during the late 1970s
and 1980s, he proclaimed salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ,
but he also preached that the Christian must keep the Ten
Commandments, including the Sabbath (The Life and Times of Little
Richard, p. 199).

He praised Seventh-day Adventist preachers such as H.M.S. Richards
and George Vandeman (Ibid., p. 202). He noted that Ellen G. White's
book The Great Controversy, which his mother owned, had an influence
on him (Ibid., p. 91).

In 1985, he summarized his views: "I can't go to a Bible study. Most
of my inspiration comes directly from God's Spirit. ... There are
good people in all churches. Some Buddhists really love God. Some
Jehovah's Witnesses, too. It doesn't matter what church you belong
to! Only God can read a man's heart" (Contemporary Christian Music
Magazine, February 1985, p. 2).

http://www.adherents.com/people/pr/Little_Richard.html

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019195.php

www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053<http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: FW: LaBarbera to discuss Folsom Street Fair on Hannity & Colmes, Wed.
Dec. 5


pass this on. Can anyone tape the show ? I am not at home so I wont be able to
see the program.

Regina



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   From: allysons@...<mailto:allysons@...>
   To: allysons@...<mailto:allysons@...>
   Subject: LaBarbera to discuss Folsom Street Fair on Hannity & Colmes, Wed.
Dec. 5
   Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:10:41 -0800


   Dear Friends,

   Americans for Truth<http://www.americansfortruth.com/> president Peter
LaBarbera has been invited to be on Fox News' Hannity and Colmes program
tomorrow evening, Dec. 5, to discuss the video clips he and I shot at this
year's Folsom Street Fair. Please tune in if you can. The program airs at 9:00
pm Eastern, 6:00 pm Pacific time.

   The videos, which Pete will be showing uncensored tomorrow afternoon at the
National Press Club in Washington D.C., include:

     • Large numbers of men walking on public streets either fully or partially
naked;
     • Groups of men engaged in orgies on the public street, including acts of
oral sex and mutual masturbation, as crowds waked by and snapped pictures.
     • Fully exposed men “greeting” other men by grasping other men’s genitals
and massaging them in full view of passers-by.  The police stood by and did
nothing;
     • A man sitting on the curb in broad daylight masturbating as crowds of
people gawked and took pictures (he even posed for photos with others as he sat
there naked and aroused);
     • Theatrically dramatic sadomasochistic whippings and floggings – drawing
blood and turning the willing “victim’s” skin bright red;
     • Abundant flaunting of female nudity and real or simulated sexual acts;
     • “Master-slave relationships” in which one man or women would “walk” their
subservient “slave” with a dog-collar and chain. Others imitated animals (dogs
and ponies) as yet another “fetish” on display: we talked to one woman whose
mouth was bridled like a horse;
     • Blatant anti-Christian bigotry in the form of “The Sisters of Perpetual
Indulgence,”<http://americansfortruth.com/news/pelosi-refuses-to-denounce-hatefu\
l-anti-christian-folsom-street-fair-ad.html> men dressed in drag mocking
Catholic nuns, greeting incoming attendees at Folsom; one male “Sister” wore a
shirt that read “Bottom for Jesus” (”bottom” refers to his position in anal
sex); entrance stickers featured a twisted, S&M-fetish version of DaVinci’s
“Last Supper” painting;
     • Young children with their parents witnessing this perverted and revolting
spectacle.

   Please pray that Pete will interview successfully, that he will not be
censored or told what he can and cannot say, and that he will be able to parry
any arguments Alan Colmes throws at him.
   God bless you all,
   Allyson


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BREAKING NEWS: Alleged Child Predator HRC Staffer

Well, well, well.

The U.S. Senate aide arrested for arranging a three-way with an
undercover informant and who he thought was a 13-year-old male was
previously an employee with the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's
largest GLBT rights group. Mike McHaney, 28, was fired from his job
as a scheduler for Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington state
within hours his arrest for attempting to sexually exploit a minor.

McHaney, who remains in federal custody without bond at least until a
hearing tomorrow, was arrested by FBI agents after showing up to meet
a cooperating witness and the fictional teen.

Brad Luna, an HRC spokesperson, confirmed that McHaney worked as an
executive scheduler for the D.C.-based gay rights group from
September 2005 to May 2006.

The Gay Left cabal must be close to a complete meltdown.   After all,
for three years they have been criminalizing and personally punishing
gay Americans for merely not towing the liberal political line on gay
policy issues.

But now they would have to make a moral equivalent of an alleged
child sex predator commiting an actual crime to merely denying your
gay sexual preferences.  Otherwise, wouldn't they be outraged and
condemn the emerging Democrat child sex predator problem they have.
Because, there is no equivalent here.

I wonder do the masters of outing gay Republicans believe that being
a child predator the same as being against same-sex marriage?

The cricket-chirping silence of condemnation of the liberal bloggers
and the MSM about James "Mike" McHaney arrest is now becoming uber-
deafening.

In addition to his HRC experience, it turns out that McHaney is quite
the seasoned Democratic political operative.  Dick Gephardt, John
Kerry.  Wow.

http://gaypatriot.org/

By IAN URBINA

PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 4 — For three years the Philadelphia council of
the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It resisted the city's
request to change its discriminatory policy toward gay people
despite threats that if it did not do so, the city would evict the
group from a municipal building where the Scouts have resided
practically rent free since 1928.

Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the Beaux Arts building
is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of the organization and
the first of the more than 300 council service centers built by the
Scouts around the country over the past century…

Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from a duty to defend
civil rights and an obligation to abide by a local law that bars
taxpayer support for any group that discriminates. Boy Scout
officials said it was about preserving their culture, protecting the
right of private organizations to remain exclusive and defending
traditions like requiring members to swear an oath of duty to God
and prohibiting membership by anyone who is openly homosexual.

This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand and lost.

"At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility
being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your
lease that talks about nondiscrimination," said City Councilman
Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where the building is
located. "Negotiations are over."

Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the deadline passed for
the local chapter to change its policy; on June 1 the group will be
evicted.

"Since we were founded, we believe that open homosexuality would be
inconsistent with the values that we want to communicate with our
leaders," said Gregg Shields, national spokesman for the Boy
Scouts. "A belief in God is also mentioned in the Scout oath. We
believe that those values are important. Tradition is important. Our
mission is to instill those values in scouts and help them make good
choices over their lifetimes."

In 2000, the Supreme Court decided a case — Boy Scouts of America v.
Dale — involving an openly gay scout from New Jersey who was barred
from serving as troop leader. The court ruled in a 5-to-4 decision
that, as a private organization, the group had a First Amendment
right to set its membership rules.

The issue became a local concern in Philadelphia in May 2003 when
the national Boy Scouts held their annual meeting in the city.
During the conference, a local scout challenged the organization's
policies by announcing on television that he was gay and that he was
a devoted member of the organization. He was promptly dismissed by
the local chapter, which is called the Cradle of Liberty Council.

Municipal officials drew the line at the Beaux Arts building because
the city owns the half-acre of land where the building stands. The
Boy Scouts erected the ornate building and since 1928 have leased
the land from the city for a token sum of $1 a year. City officials
said the market value for renting the building was about $200,000 a
year, and they invited the Boy Scouts to remain as full-paying
tenants…

Local scout leaders said they tried hard to find a compromise
between the city and their own national office, and in 2005 they
seemed poised to agree on a policy statement adopted by the Boy
Scouts in New York, which did not renounce the prohibition against
gay members, but affirmed that "prejudice, intolerance and unlawful
discrimination in any form are unacceptable."

But last year, city officials wrote Cradle of Liberty Council
officials to say that suggested policy statement could not be
reconciled with Philadelphia's antidiscrimination ordinance.

On May 31, the City Council voted 16-to-1 to authorize ending the
lease, though Mr. Clarke and other Council members continued trying
to negotiate a settlement. Those efforts ended this week, Mr. Clarke
said, adding that he had shifted his energy toward trying to see if
there was a way the city could reimburse the group for improvements
it had made to the property over the years.

Boy Scout officials said they do not have a cost estimate for the
improvements, but Mr. Jubelirer said it would exceed $5 million.

Flipping through an aged book of fund-raising encouragement for
construction of the building — from dignitaries like Helen Keller,
Babe Ruth and Winston Churchill — Chuck Eaton, director of field
service for the local chapter, noted how the past contrasted with
the present…

Mr. Eaton is certainly right about that last part.

Remember back when homosexuals just wanted to be left alone? They
insisted they were not trying to force their sexual preferences
or "life styles" on anyone.

They were not demanding acceptance. They just wanted to be left in
peace. — Remember all those mantras?

Mind you, the Boy Scouts actually built and own this building. The
city only owns the land it is sitting upon.

And if discrimination is wrong at $1 a year rent, why is it suddenly
okay at $200,000 a year?

But this is what passes for social justice in our enlightened age.

Still, this is a surprisingly sympathetic treatment of their plight
from the New York Times.

Of course they know the battle has already been won, so they can
afford to pretend to be objective.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=437741

This is just so shameful and embarassing! It's
embarassing because it is my home town. And it's
shameful because the city council is clearly just
oiling the wheel that squeaks the loudest (the gay
political caucus), rather than even considering the
true moral issues here. They have sold their souls in
order to stay in office, hiding behind this
quasi-rational mask of it being a discrimination
issue. Hey, city council, you bet it is! They act like
this word, "discrimination" is profanity! No, city
council, let's use the common sense that we are all
endowed with in our heads, rather than burying them in
the sand. It is not too hard to understand that some
acts of discrimination are not only appropriate, but
what can actually save our own lives and our society!
Besides the (BSA's) Boy Scouts of America's tenets
being Judeo-Christian, did you know that there is
another critical reason for discriminating against
self-avowed and practicing gay males, and it may even
be more important than their religious mores. It is
the fact that 40% of those who sexually offend boys at
the age of adolescence are MSM's (men who have sex
with men)? Just take a look at Judith Reismann's "The
Homosexualization of Youth in America" report. I'm
sure you can find it on Adobe at a website somewhere,
maybe at NARTH. It is why GLBT activist groups are now
attempting to get, or to keep, the legal age for
consensual sex at around 14, whenever they have an
opportunity to do so! They were successful in Ontario
just recently I believe. This is why the Roman
Catholic church in America is putting all stops out on
even ordaining men who have predominantly same sex
attractions now. And, do you see the Red Cross giving
into the ungodly political pressure (and believe you
me, there has been much throughout that they have
encountered in the years of this ongoing HIV/AIDS
epidemic), knowing that if they do give in, the blood
bank will be contaminated with the not only HIV, but
also hepatitis. So, isn't the safety of our male
adolescents just as important as the blood bank?

Well, I'm going to Philly over Christmas and New
Year's, and I'm boycotting all public venues in the
city, and telling everyone I know to do the same. I
hope you'll join me, if you do happen to live there or
travel there. I hope that the AFA (American Family
Association), Bill O'Reilly and whomever else cares
about the welfare of our future generations in the
public eye will call a boycott as well.

Blessings,

Tom
--- Laura <exgaydates@...> wrote:

> By IAN URBINA
>
> PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 4 — For three years the
> Philadelphia council of
> the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It
> resisted the city's
> request to change its discriminatory policy toward
> gay people
> despite threats that if it did not do so, the city
> would evict the
> group from a municipal building where the Scouts
> have resided
> practically rent free since 1928.
>
> Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the
> Beaux Arts building
> is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of the
> organization and
> the first of the more than 300 council service
> centers built by the
> Scouts around the country over the past century…
>
> Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from a
> duty to defend
> civil rights and an obligation to abide by a local
> law that bars
> taxpayer support for any group that discriminates.
> Boy Scout
> officials said it was about preserving their
> culture, protecting the
> right of private organizations to remain exclusive
> and defending
> traditions like requiring members to swear an oath
> of duty to God
> and prohibiting membership by anyone who is openly
> homosexual.
>
> This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand and
> lost.
>
> "At the end of the day, you can not be in a
> city-owned facility
> being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have
> language in your
> lease that talks about nondiscrimination," said City
> Councilman
> Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where
> the building is
> located. "Negotiations are over."
>
> Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the
> deadline passed for
> the local chapter to change its policy; on June 1
> the group will be
> evicted.
>
> "Since we were founded, we believe that open
> homosexuality would be
> inconsistent with the values that we want to
> communicate with our
> leaders," said Gregg Shields, national spokesman for
> the Boy
> Scouts. "A belief in God is also mentioned in the
> Scout oath. We
> believe that those values are important. Tradition
> is important. Our
> mission is to instill those values in scouts and
> help them make good
> choices over their lifetimes."
>
> In 2000, the Supreme Court decided a case — Boy
> Scouts of America v.
> Dale — involving an openly gay scout from New Jersey
> who was barred
> from serving as troop leader. The court ruled in a
> 5-to-4 decision
> that, as a private organization, the group had a
> First Amendment
> right to set its membership rules.
>
> The issue became a local concern in Philadelphia in
> May 2003 when
> the national Boy Scouts held their annual meeting in
> the city.
> During the conference, a local scout challenged the
> organization's
> policies by announcing on television that he was gay
> and that he was
> a devoted member of the organization. He was
> promptly dismissed by
> the local chapter, which is called the Cradle of
> Liberty Council.
>
> Municipal officials drew the line at the Beaux Arts
> building because
> the city owns the half-acre of land where the
> building stands. The
> Boy Scouts erected the ornate building and since
> 1928 have leased
> the land from the city for a token sum of $1 a year.
> City officials
> said the market value for renting the building was
> about $200,000 a
> year, and they invited the Boy Scouts to remain as
> full-paying
> tenants…
>
> Local scout leaders said they tried hard to find a
> compromise
> between the city and their own national office, and
> in 2005 they
> seemed poised to agree on a policy statement adopted
> by the Boy
> Scouts in New York, which did not renounce the
> prohibition against
> gay members, but affirmed that "prejudice,
> intolerance and unlawful
> discrimination in any form are unacceptable."
>
> But last year, city officials wrote Cradle of
> Liberty Council
> officials to say that suggested policy statement
> could not be
> reconciled with Philadelphia's antidiscrimination
> ordinance.
>
> On May 31, the City Council voted 16-to-1 to
> authorize ending the
> lease, though Mr. Clarke and other Council members
> continued trying
> to negotiate a settlement. Those efforts ended this
> week, Mr. Clarke
> said, adding that he had shifted his energy toward
> trying to see if
> there was a way the city could reimburse the group
> for improvements
> it had made to the property over the years.
>
> Boy Scout officials said they do not have a cost
> estimate for the
> improvements, but Mr. Jubelirer said it would exceed
> $5 million.
>
> Flipping through an aged book of fund-raising
> encouragement for
> construction of the building — from dignitaries like
> Helen Keller,
> Babe Ruth and Winston Churchill — Chuck Eaton,
> director of field
> service for the local chapter, noted how the past
> contrasted with
> the present…
>
> Mr. Eaton is certainly right about that last part.
>
> Remember back when homosexuals just wanted to be
> left alone? They
> insisted they were not trying to force their sexual
> preferences
> or "life styles" on anyone.
>
> They were not demanding acceptance. They just wanted
> to be left in
> peace. — Remember all those mantras?
>
> Mind you, the Boy Scouts actually built and own this
> building. The
> city only owns the land it is sitting upon.
>
> And if discrimination is wrong at $1 a year rent,
> why is it suddenly
> okay at $200,000 a year?
>
> But this is what passes for social justice in our
> enlightened age.
>
> Still, this is a surprisingly sympathetic treatment
> of their plight
> from the New York Times.
>
> Of course they know the battle has already been won,
> so they can
> afford to pretend to be objective.
>
> http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=437741
>
>



      
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Get used to us followers of Jesus being mistreated in America. It is
coming and there is no stopping it. Of course, that's not to say we
can't or shouldn't protest - and loudly - but not because
our "rights" are being violated (we surrendered them to Jesus when we
submitted to Him as our Master and King); but because we need to warn
them about the devastation they are about wreak on society.

But we need to keep speaking out even when they finally manage to
pass antiChristian-speech laws. Wear your faith like a yellow star.
Let them brand you, mark you for destruction. In the end, we are the
ones who survive, not them.

Chanukah sameach l'otem. (Happy Hanukah, All) - A fitting salutation
in light of this news. (The followers of God won over the anti-God
pagans and God gave a sign of promise with the miracle of the oil
that He is still with us and has not abandoned us.)




--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
<moreytom@...> wrote:
>
> This is just so shameful and embarassing! It's
> embarassing because it is my home town. And it's
> shameful because the city council is clearly just
> oiling the wheel that squeaks the loudest (the gay
> political caucus), rather than even considering the
> true moral issues here. They have sold their souls in
> order to stay in office, hiding behind this
> quasi-rational mask of it being a discrimination
> issue. Hey, city council, you bet it is! They act like
> this word, "discrimination" is profanity! No, city
> council, let's use the common sense that we are all
> endowed with in our heads, rather than burying them in
> the sand. It is not too hard to understand that some
> acts of discrimination are not only appropriate, but
> what can actually save our own lives and our society!
> Besides the (BSA's) Boy Scouts of America's tenets
> being Judeo-Christian, did you know that there is
> another critical reason for discriminating against
> self-avowed and practicing gay males, and it may even
> be more important than their religious mores. It is
> the fact that 40% of those who sexually offend boys at
> the age of adolescence are MSM's (men who have sex
> with men)? Just take a look at Judith Reismann's "The
> Homosexualization of Youth in America" report. I'm
> sure you can find it on Adobe at a website somewhere,
> maybe at NARTH. It is why GLBT activist groups are now
> attempting to get, or to keep, the legal age for
> consensual sex at around 14, whenever they have an
> opportunity to do so! They were successful in Ontario
> just recently I believe. This is why the Roman
> Catholic church in America is putting all stops out on
> even ordaining men who have predominantly same sex
> attractions now. And, do you see the Red Cross giving
> into the ungodly political pressure (and believe you
> me, there has been much throughout that they have
> encountered in the years of this ongoing HIV/AIDS
> epidemic), knowing that if they do give in, the blood
> bank will be contaminated with the not only HIV, but
> also hepatitis. So, isn't the safety of our male
> adolescents just as important as the blood bank?
>
> Well, I'm going to Philly over Christmas and New
> Year's, and I'm boycotting all public venues in the
> city, and telling everyone I know to do the same. I
> hope you'll join me, if you do happen to live there or
> travel there. I hope that the AFA (American Family
> Association), Bill O'Reilly and whomever else cares
> about the welfare of our future generations in the
> public eye will call a boycott as well.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Tom
> --- Laura <exgaydates@...> wrote:
>
> > By IAN URBINA
> >
> > PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 4 — For three years the
> > Philadelphia council of
> > the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It
> > resisted the city's
> > request to change its discriminatory policy toward
> > gay people
> > despite threats that if it did not do so, the city
> > would evict the
> > group from a municipal building where the Scouts
> > have resided
> > practically rent free since 1928.
> >
> > Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the
> > Beaux Arts building
> > is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of the
> > organization and
> > the first of the more than 300 council service
> > centers built by the
> > Scouts around the country over the past century…
> >
> > Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from a
> > duty to defend
> > civil rights and an obligation to abide by a local
> > law that bars
> > taxpayer support for any group that discriminates.
> > Boy Scout
> > officials said it was about preserving their
> > culture, protecting the
> > right of private organizations to remain exclusive
> > and defending
> > traditions like requiring members to swear an oath
> > of duty to God
> > and prohibiting membership by anyone who is openly
> > homosexual.
> >
> > This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand and
> > lost.
> >
> > "At the end of the day, you can not be in a
> > city-owned facility
> > being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have
> > language in your
> > lease that talks about nondiscrimination," said City
> > Councilman
> > Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where
> > the building is
> > located. "Negotiations are over."
> >
> > Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the
> > deadline passed for
> > the local chapter to change its policy; on June 1
> > the group will be
> > evicted.
> >
> > "Since we were founded, we believe that open
> > homosexuality would be
> > inconsistent with the values that we want to
> > communicate with our
> > leaders," said Gregg Shields, national spokesman for
> > the Boy
> > Scouts. "A belief in God is also mentioned in the
> > Scout oath. We
> > believe that those values are important. Tradition
> > is important. Our
> > mission is to instill those values in scouts and
> > help them make good
> > choices over their lifetimes."
> >
> > In 2000, the Supreme Court decided a case — Boy
> > Scouts of America v.
> > Dale — involving an openly gay scout from New Jersey
> > who was barred
> > from serving as troop leader. The court ruled in a
> > 5-to-4 decision
> > that, as a private organization, the group had a
> > First Amendment
> > right to set its membership rules.
> >
> > The issue became a local concern in Philadelphia in
> > May 2003 when
> > the national Boy Scouts held their annual meeting in
> > the city.
> > During the conference, a local scout challenged the
> > organization's
> > policies by announcing on television that he was gay
> > and that he was
> > a devoted member of the organization. He was
> > promptly dismissed by
> > the local chapter, which is called the Cradle of
> > Liberty Council.
> >
> > Municipal officials drew the line at the Beaux Arts
> > building because
> > the city owns the half-acre of land where the
> > building stands. The
> > Boy Scouts erected the ornate building and since
> > 1928 have leased
> > the land from the city for a token sum of $1 a year.
> > City officials
> > said the market value for renting the building was
> > about $200,000 a
> > year, and they invited the Boy Scouts to remain as
> > full-paying
> > tenants…
> >
> > Local scout leaders said they tried hard to find a
> > compromise
> > between the city and their own national office, and
> > in 2005 they
> > seemed poised to agree on a policy statement adopted
> > by the Boy
> > Scouts in New York, which did not renounce the
> > prohibition against
> > gay members, but affirmed that "prejudice,
> > intolerance and unlawful
> > discrimination in any form are unacceptable."
> >
> > But last year, city officials wrote Cradle of
> > Liberty Council
> > officials to say that suggested policy statement
> > could not be
> > reconciled with Philadelphia's antidiscrimination
> > ordinance.
> >
> > On May 31, the City Council voted 16-to-1 to
> > authorize ending the
> > lease, though Mr. Clarke and other Council members
> > continued trying
> > to negotiate a settlement. Those efforts ended this
> > week, Mr. Clarke
> > said, adding that he had shifted his energy toward
> > trying to see if
> > there was a way the city could reimburse the group
> > for improvements
> > it had made to the property over the years.
> >
> > Boy Scout officials said they do not have a cost
> > estimate for the
> > improvements, but Mr. Jubelirer said it would exceed
> > $5 million.
> >
> > Flipping through an aged book of fund-raising
> > encouragement for
> > construction of the building — from dignitaries like
> > Helen Keller,
> > Babe Ruth and Winston Churchill — Chuck Eaton,
> > director of field
> > service for the local chapter, noted how the past
> > contrasted with
> > the present…
> >
> > Mr. Eaton is certainly right about that last part.
> >
> > Remember back when homosexuals just wanted to be
> > left alone? They
> > insisted they were not trying to force their sexual
> > preferences
> > or "life styles" on anyone.
> >
> > They were not demanding acceptance. They just wanted
> > to be left in
> > peace. — Remember all those mantras?
> >
> > Mind you, the Boy Scouts actually built and own this
> > building. The
> > city only owns the land it is sitting upon.
> >
> > And if discrimination is wrong at $1 a year rent,
> > why is it suddenly
> > okay at $200,000 a year?
> >
> > But this is what passes for social justice in our
> > enlightened age.
> >
> > Still, this is a surprisingly sympathetic treatment
> > of their plight
> > from the New York Times.
> >
> > Of course they know the battle has already been won,
> > so they can
> > afford to pretend to be objective.
> >
> > http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=437741
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The roots of SSA are based in
arrested sexual development. And for many of the gays and lesbians whom I have
encountered over the years, its not just theirs sexual development that gets
stifled, its their emotional development as well. Although a lot of us have
established ourselves in successful careers, many of us haven't. This is because
we are emotionally locked into a pre-adolescent mind set. And I speak for myself
as well. Even though I am not acting out I feel like I am emotionally about
thirteen or fourteen.

   As for gay couples raising kids, could you see a couple of middle school aged
kids raising a child? Think about it. Believe me. I have see the aftermath.

ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
           Sounds like a very powerful article and book - we should pray for
her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.

I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She noted
that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
interesting account from someone who has lived through this
experience.

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
<moreytom@...> wrote:
>
> Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> comes from homosexual parenting
> Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> Stefanowicz
>
> A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> that details the trauma she suffered during her
> childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> behavior.
> Hear this Report
> advertisement
>
> Dawn Stefanowicz recounts her story of growing up in a
> homosexual home in Toronto, Canada, during the 1960s
> in Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
> (Annotation Press). Stefanowicz says she was prompted
> to write the book back in 2004 after testifying before
> a Canadian Senate committee against hate crime
> legislation and expressing public opposition to sexual
> diversity curriculum in her country's schools.
>
> The author and speaker says it was a painful and also
> "healing" process to write down every detail she could
> remember of being raised by a father who welcomed
> numerous male sex partners into the family's home on a
> regular basis. Stefanowicz says her father's
> destructive homosexual behavior created sexuality
> confusion in her life. In the book, she chronicles
> how, as a young girl, she often wished she were a boy.
>
> "It's a very difficult thing to describe," she shares.
> "You doubt your own sexuality because you're looking
> at your parent's example. And for me, when I looked at
> my father I did not feel affirmed as a young girl
> growing up, nor as a woman. My own femininity was
> denied in that kind of situation. Women were not
> valued."
>
> Stefanowicz says she wrote the book with the knowledge
> that other children in homosexual homes would also
> come forward to "find truth and their own healing."
>
> "Children are impacted long-term in homosexual
> environments -- not just while they're growing up, but
> throughout their adulthood," says the author.
> "Children [of homosexuals] who have been in touch with
> me, even into their fifties and sixties, still
> describe certain difficulties that they are facing
> long-term."
>
> Stefanowicz says it was her faith in Jesus Christ that
> enabled her to face her traumatic past and forgive her
> father, who died of AIDS in 1991.
>
>
>
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ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:          Sounds like a very powerful
article and book - we should pray for
her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.

I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She noted
that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
interesting account from someone who has lived through this
experience.

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
<moreytom@...> wrote:
>
> Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> comes from homosexual parenting
> Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> Stefanowicz
>
> A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> that details the trauma she suffered during her
> childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> behavior.
> Hear this Report
> advertisement
>
> Dawn Stefanowicz recounts her story of growing up in a
> homosexual home in Toronto, Canada, during the 1960s
> in Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
> (Annotation Press). Stefanowicz says she was prompted
> to write the book back in 2004 after testifying before
> a Canadian Senate committee against hate crime
> legislation and expressing public opposition to sexual
> diversity curriculum in her country's schools.
>
> The author and speaker says it was a painful and also
> "healing" process to write down every detail she could
> remember of being raised by a father who welcomed
> numerous male sex partners into the family's home on a
> regular basis. Stefanowicz says her father's
> destructive homosexual behavior created sexuality
> confusion in her life. In the book, she chronicles
> how, as a young girl, she often wished she were a boy.
>
> "It's a very difficult thing to describe," she shares.
> "You doubt your own sexuality because you're looking
> at your parent's example. And for me, when I looked at
> my father I did not feel affirmed as a young girl
> growing up, nor as a woman. My own femininity was
> denied in that kind of situation. Women were not
> valued."
>
> Stefanowicz says she wrote the book with the knowledge
> that other children in homosexual homes would also
> come forward to "find truth and their own healing."
>
> "Children are impacted long-term in homosexual
> environments -- not just while they're growing up, but
> throughout their adulthood," says the author.
> "Children [of homosexuals] who have been in touch with
> me, even into their fifties and sixties, still
> describe certain difficulties that they are facing
> long-term."
>
> Stefanowicz says it was her faith in Jesus Christ that
> enabled her to face her traumatic past and forgive her
> father, who died of AIDS in 1991.
>
>
>
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ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:          Sounds like a very powerful
article and book - we should pray for
her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.

I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She noted
that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
interesting account from someone who has lived through this
experience.

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
<moreytom@...> wrote:
>
> Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> comes from homosexual parenting
> Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> Stefanowicz
>
> A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> that details the trauma she suffered during her
> childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> behavior.
> Hear this Report
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Whether or not "The Gay Study Bible" is doctrinal or blasphemous, I don't know.
This is the first time I've heard of it, and I haven't read it. But after
looking at these posts, the issue that concerns me most is xenophobia. that has
always been a very effective leadership tool to keep ones constituency under
control. The Evangelical Church in America is certainly no exception. In the
nineteenth and twentieth centuries American Christendom has targeted these
groups in this order:

   Native Americans
   Blacks
   Asians
   Catholics
   Diverse Religious Ideologies, (Quakers, Mormons, and alike)
   Foreign Immigrants
   Jews
   Communists
   Gays
   and now Mexicans

   I vividly remember Anita Bryant's vicious attack on gays back in the 70's. I
was living in Los Angeles at that time, and I had just come out. The violence
and police harassment that I saw that was imposed on the gay community at that
time was beyond appalling! This was the closest thing to "Kristalnacht" that Los
Angeles had experienced since "The Zoot Suit Wars" of 1943! And this was all
because of the irrational rantings of a public figure whose public presence was
waining. Never in my life had I been so ashamed of my faith than I was at that
time. I also have to admit that Anita Bryant's ministry and all of the
atrocities that went with it was very instrumental in driving me away from The
Church.

   When is the Christian community finally going to wake up and look past the
propaganda machine and look to the message of Jesus, who's message is love. I'd
like to see a Christian book seller stock "Gay Study Bible" and let the
readership decide for themselves. I assure you. That will not be the only
controversial book in their store.



chatha6232 <chatha6232@...> wrote:
           Yeah, people need to realize that just because you print something
that might look like a Bible and slap the words "Holy Bible" across
the front of it doesn't mean that's what it actually is. The devil's
very game is deception.

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Laura" <exgaydates@...>
wrote:
>
> From Religion News Blog:
>
> Christian bookshops are refusing to stock copies of a new Bible
study
> guide which challenges standard New Testament translations that
> describe gay sex as sinful.A US distributor, God's Word to Women,
has
> banned the Australian publication, and withdrawn another Bible
> translation published by the same NSW publishing house, Smith and
> Stirling, for promoting a lifestyle in contradiction of the
scriptures.
>
> Two American academics have asked that their endorsements be
removed
> from other works by a classical Greek lexicographer, Ann Nyland,
> because of her authorship of the gay study Bible.
>
> http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/
>
> http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19971/christian-bookshops-refuse-to-
> stock-gay-study-bible
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This is such a travesty! I honestly have no words - I'm physically
sick over this! This is why my husband will attend ALL Boy Scout
functions with our boys - I just can't entrust my children to any
organization, even one with Judeo-Christian roots. Yes, that squeaky
wheel has won its millionth case! You know, I'm surprised that a
greater outcry did not occur in Philly over this. I suppose they
were worn out from this long battle and the council decided they had
heard enough.

As always, thanks for your refreshing insightfulness, Tom!

Christa


--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
<moreytom@...> wrote:
>
> This is just so shameful and embarassing! It's
> embarassing because it is my home town. And it's
> shameful because the city council is clearly just
> oiling the wheel that squeaks the loudest (the gay
> political caucus), rather than even considering the
> true moral issues here. They have sold their souls in
> order to stay in office, hiding behind this
> quasi-rational mask of it being a discrimination
> issue. Hey, city council, you bet it is! They act like
> this word, "discrimination" is profanity! No, city
> council, let's use the common sense that we are all
> endowed with in our heads, rather than burying them in
> the sand. It is not too hard to understand that some
> acts of discrimination are not only appropriate, but
> what can actually save our own lives and our society!
> Besides the (BSA's) Boy Scouts of America's tenets
> being Judeo-Christian, did you know that there is
> another critical reason for discriminating against
> self-avowed and practicing gay males, and it may even
> be more important than their religious mores. It is
> the fact that 40% of those who sexually offend boys at
> the age of adolescence are MSM's (men who have sex
> with men)? Just take a look at Judith Reismann's "The
> Homosexualization of Youth in America" report. I'm
> sure you can find it on Adobe at a website somewhere,
> maybe at NARTH. It is why GLBT activist groups are now
> attempting to get, or to keep, the legal age for
> consensual sex at around 14, whenever they have an
> opportunity to do so! They were successful in Ontario
> just recently I believe. This is why the Roman
> Catholic church in America is putting all stops out on
> even ordaining men who have predominantly same sex
> attractions now. And, do you see the Red Cross giving
> into the ungodly political pressure (and believe you
> me, there has been much throughout that they have
> encountered in the years of this ongoing HIV/AIDS
> epidemic), knowing that if they do give in, the blood
> bank will be contaminated with the not only HIV, but
> also hepatitis. So, isn't the safety of our male
> adolescents just as important as the blood bank?
>
> Well, I'm going to Philly over Christmas and New
> Year's, and I'm boycotting all public venues in the
> city, and telling everyone I know to do the same. I
> hope you'll join me, if you do happen to live there or
> travel there. I hope that the AFA (American Family
> Association), Bill O'Reilly and whomever else cares
> about the welfare of our future generations in the
> public eye will call a boycott as well.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Tom
> --- Laura <exgaydates@...> wrote:
>
> > By IAN URBINA
> >
> > PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 4 — For three years the
> > Philadelphia council of
> > the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It
> > resisted the city's
> > request to change its discriminatory policy toward
> > gay people
> > despite threats that if it did not do so, the city
> > would evict the
> > group from a municipal building where the Scouts
> > have resided
> > practically rent free since 1928.
> >
> > Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the
> > Beaux Arts building
> > is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of the
> > organization and
> > the first of the more than 300 council service
> > centers built by the
> > Scouts around the country over the past century…
> >
> > Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from a
> > duty to defend
> > civil rights and an obligation to abide by a local
> > law that bars
> > taxpayer support for any group that discriminates.
> > Boy Scout
> > officials said it was about preserving their
> > culture, protecting the
> > right of private organizations to remain exclusive
> > and defending
> > traditions like requiring members to swear an oath
> > of duty to God
> > and prohibiting membership by anyone who is openly
> > homosexual.
> >
> > This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand and
> > lost.
> >
> > "At the end of the day, you can not be in a
> > city-owned facility
> > being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have
> > language in your
> > lease that talks about nondiscrimination," said City
> > Councilman
> > Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where
> > the building is
> > located. "Negotiations are over."
> >
> > Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the
> > deadline passed for
> > the local chapter to change its policy; on June 1
> > the group will be
> > evicted.
> >
> > "Since we were founded, we believe that open
> > homosexuality would be
> > inconsistent with the values that we want to
> > communicate with our
> > leaders," said Gregg Shields, national spokesman for
> > the Boy
> > Scouts. "A belief in God is also mentioned in the
> > Scout oath. We
> > believe that those values are important. Tradition
> > is important. Our
> > mission is to instill those values in scouts and
> > help them make good
> > choices over their lifetimes."
> >
> > In 2000, the Supreme Court decided a case — Boy
> > Scouts of America v.
> > Dale — involving an openly gay scout from New Jersey
> > who was barred
> > from serving as troop leader. The court ruled in a
> > 5-to-4 decision
> > that, as a private organization, the group had a
> > First Amendment
> > right to set its membership rules.
> >
> > The issue became a local concern in Philadelphia in
> > May 2003 when
> > the national Boy Scouts held their annual meeting in
> > the city.
> > During the conference, a local scout challenged the
> > organization's
> > policies by announcing on television that he was gay
> > and that he was
> > a devoted member of the organization. He was
> > promptly dismissed by
> > the local chapter, which is called the Cradle of
> > Liberty Council.
> >
> > Municipal officials drew the line at the Beaux Arts
> > building because
> > the city owns the half-acre of land where the
> > building stands. The
> > Boy Scouts erected the ornate building and since
> > 1928 have leased
> > the land from the city for a token sum of $1 a year.
> > City officials
> > said the market value for renting the building was
> > about $200,000 a
> > year, and they invited the Boy Scouts to remain as
> > full-paying
> > tenants…
> >
> > Local scout leaders said they tried hard to find a
> > compromise
> > between the city and their own national office, and
> > in 2005 they
> > seemed poised to agree on a policy statement adopted
> > by the Boy
> > Scouts in New York, which did not renounce the
> > prohibition against
> > gay members, but affirmed that "prejudice,
> > intolerance and unlawful
> > discrimination in any form are unacceptable."
> >
> > But last year, city officials wrote Cradle of
> > Liberty Council
> > officials to say that suggested policy statement
> > could not be
> > reconciled with Philadelphia's antidiscrimination
> > ordinance.
> >
> > On May 31, the City Council voted 16-to-1 to
> > authorize ending the
> > lease, though Mr. Clarke and other Council members
> > continued trying
> > to negotiate a settlement. Those efforts ended this
> > week, Mr. Clarke
> > said, adding that he had shifted his energy toward
> > trying to see if
> > there was a way the city could reimburse the group
> > for improvements
> > it had made to the property over the years.
> >
> > Boy Scout officials said they do not have a cost
> > estimate for the
> > improvements, but Mr. Jubelirer said it would exceed
> > $5 million.
> >
> > Flipping through an aged book of fund-raising
> > encouragement for
> > construction of the building — from dignitaries like
> > Helen Keller,
> > Babe Ruth and Winston Churchill — Chuck Eaton,
> > director of field
> > service for the local chapter, noted how the past
> > contrasted with
> > the present…
> >
> > Mr. Eaton is certainly right about that last part.
> >
> > Remember back when homosexuals just wanted to be
> > left alone? They
> > insisted they were not trying to force their sexual
> > preferences
> > or "life styles" on anyone.
> >
> > They were not demanding acceptance. They just wanted
> > to be left in
> > peace. — Remember all those mantras?
> >
> > Mind you, the Boy Scouts actually built and own this
> > building. The
> > city only owns the land it is sitting upon.
> >
> > And if discrimination is wrong at $1 a year rent,
> > why is it suddenly
> > okay at $200,000 a year?
> >
> > But this is what passes for social justice in our
> > enlightened age.
> >
> > Still, this is a surprisingly sympathetic treatment
> > of their plight
> > from the New York Times.
> >
> > Of course they know the battle has already been won,
> > so they can
> > afford to pretend to be objective.
> >
> > http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=437741
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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I'm fired up over this article! Woo Hoo! Thanks to Laura for sharing
this!

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Laura"
<exgaydates@...> wrote:
>
> Award-Winning Ex Lesbian Columnist  Speaks Out!
>
> Debbie Thurman is an ex-gay woman who is married. She speaks out
> about how ex-gays simply do not even exist according to gay
> propaganda. Debbie Thurman, award-winning columnist and author of
> such books as From Depression To Wholeness: The Anatomy of
Healing,
> and Outsmarting Depression: Surviving the Crossfire of the Mental
> Health Wars, is the founder of Family Mental Health Advocacy.
>
>
> The APA's Pro-Gay "River of Denial"
>
> By Debbie Thurman
>
> Along with ex-gays, will we soon have a network of ex-APA members?
> The American Psychological Association grows more and more
> uncomfortable with those in their ranks who counsel homosexual
> clients seeking to change their sexual orientation. Will these
> members soon be forced to leave APA?
>
> A six-member APA Task Force has been formed to address the
> therapeutic interventions used to change same-sex attraction. They
> will be updating the 10-year-old guidelines for such therapies.
>
> If the APA decides to ban such therapy, not only will it disregard
> empirical evidence, but it will also close itself off to
recognition
> of the fourth realm (in addition to the bio-psycho-social) where
> change has been shown to be especially effective -- the spiritual.
> This defines the work of counseling ministries for ex-gays in
> recovery, more properly referred to as "discipleship." And that
> omission would, most assuredly, "do harm."
>
> I can count myself among the growing numbers of men and women who
> have overcome a significant struggle with same-sex attraction.
While
> our stories and the degree to which we have found wholeness may be
> different, the central themes are often similar. Frequently, you
> will find we came from broken homes, were alienated from one or
both
> parents, were sexually abused as children, are sensitive by
> temperament, and suffered from depression.
>
> Preservation of a Marriage
>
> I raise my hand to all of the above. In fact, I fought a 10-year,
> life-and-death battle with major depressive disorder. Were it not
> for my faith and loving, nonjudgmental people coming alongside me -
-
> in addition to wise counsel from professional therapists -- I
might
> be living in a very different place today. Instead, I am with my
> husband of 26 years in a marriage that tottered on the brink of
> failure because of my quest for what I perceived as self-
fulfilling
> wholeness with other women -- a "need" that had plagued me since
my
> youth.
>
> Remember the story about a scene in hell where people are trying
to
> feed themselves with spoons that are too long to reach their
mouths?
> That about sums up the state of desperately needing -- but never
> finding -- nourishment through a self-destructive, counterfeit
> version of love. That's why so many of us seek help in changing.
>
> Yet, I have had gay activists virtually tell me to my face that I -
-
> as I define myself -- simply don't exist. Will the APA, too,
simply
> choose to "poof" me away? If so, they'd better think again. The
> elephant in the living room is getting larger.
>
> Just as many gays remain closeted, so do a number of ex-gays. Not
> all of us are going to be front and center in discussing our
> journey. Most of us have no interest in going on the Oprah Show.
> It's painful for most people to disclose their personal struggles.
> The time has come, however, when more of us are realizing the need
> to stand up and be counted. We have watched pro-gay sentiment,
based
> on lots of raw emotion and little fact, win the day in the court
of
> public opinion as reflected through the established pillars of
> society -- the medical/mental health fields, public education, the
> mainstream media and, to a growing extent, even the church. This
has
> all been the result of a 30-year, concerted gay propaganda effort.
> We have drawn the final straw, as far as I am concerned.
>
> Disrespect for the Ex-Gay Experience
>
> In order for gay activists to disparage the very possibility of
> change in one's sexual orientation -- and convince the mental
health
> establishment to do the same -- they generally must engage in the
> predictable ploy of ad hominem attacks on ex-gays, and the process
> by which many claim to have achieved -- or be in the process of
> achieving -- stability and meaning in their lives.
>
> It's not a black-and-white process, of course. "Change" covers a
> range of acceptable degrees for those who have long been unhappy
> living as homosexuals. No, they are not unhappy because of a
society
> that discriminates against them. Their misery lies much deeper. I
> believe it is an instinctive recoiling against the new, man-
created
> image of human nature that bears so little resemblance to the
divine
> image we are meant to reflect. Humanity will never be able to draw
> what it needs from its own shallow, self-contained wells. The most
> effective therapists are the ones who understand human nature in
> this way.
>
> Why is this plain and simple, counterfeit quality of homosexuality
> so hard to see? On an elemental level, two negative or two
positive
> poles simply cannot be united. Neither can two locks ... or two
> keys. For a person to accept a gay identity, he or she must deny
the
> fundamental truth that we are created for gender complementarity.
> Deny something long enough, and you may actually believe you are
> happy in your delusion. Is it ethical for a therapist to
facilitate
> that "happy" delusion? It's certainly the popular path of least
> resistance. I believe that ultimately, this "swimming-downstream-
> with-the-crowd" strategy will ultimately fail for both gay
activists
> and the APA.
>
> Isn't it significant that highly respected studies (Laumann, et al)
> [1] have shown homosexuality to be an unstable trait that can
change
> over time, rather than the immutable identity gay activists insist
> that it is? Show me just one other instance where the "proof"
needed
> to declare a behavior or trait as in-born boils down to "But it
> feels like it's so!"
>
> Many self-proclaimed lesbians, in particular, have long admitted
to
> choosing their gay orientation as an act of feminist solidarity.
> Bisexuality is en vogue among women, particularly teen girls. It
is
> something they simply put on or take off at will, in many cases.
> It's a dangerous game, of course. Suicidal depression rates are
> unusually high among young women who are sexually confused, as
shown
> in a study headed by Dr. Elizabeth Saewyc at the University of
> British Columbia's McCreary Centre Society, reported in 2006.[2]
>
> Sticky problems arise when a number of those who have "always
felt"
> homosexual begin moving along the continuum of feeling less so,
and
> at the same time, actually begin feeling better about themselves.
> How dare we forsake the gay cause célebrè? Like crabs trying to
> escape from a bucket, gay activists begin dragging us down.
>
> Detractors insist that measurable results must be quick, and that
> change "isn't change" if it requires a long process. These same
> people generally see life as a continual "journey" in all other
> respects. But if someone gives up during the long process, that is
> somehow "proof" that change is a sham. Never mind that overeaters,
> alcoholics or drug addicts fall off the wagon every day. The
> standard for sexual identity change remains "all or nothing"!
>
> So where are the mental health professionals who will stand up and
> challenge these untruths? Why do they allow the APA to hijack the
> truth?
>
> APA Refuses to Meet with Leaders
> Holding Dissenting Worldviews
>
> The APA recently dismissed a group of conservative religious
leaders
> and counselors who were requesting input into the proceedings of
> APA's new Task Force, denying the group's request for a meeting.
>
> "Church denominational leaders, practicing psychologists,
counselors
> and organizations dedicated to assisting individuals who want to
> change their sexual orientation requested to meet with the task
> force to share their understanding of the issue," according to a
> Baptist Press story.[3]
>
> But the APA cited its need "to keep the emphasis on the science"
and
> maintain their distance from advocacy groups, according to a Sept.
7
> letter sent to the conservative coalition.
>
> That "distance from advocacy groups" that the APA said it needed,
> apparently did not refer to pro-gay groups. Clinton Anderson,
> director of an APA committee on lesbian, gay, bisexual and
> transgender (LGBT) concerns, met with Ron Schlittler, former
> assistant director of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
> (PFLAG), prior to the forming of the Task Force, according to
> bloggers at Ex-Gay Watch. The meeting between Anderson and
> Schlittler was to discuss the "aggressive promotion of 'reparative
> therapy' by right-wing groups," according to Ex-Gay Watch.[4]
>
> "We cannot take into account what are fundamentally negative
> religious perceptions of homosexuality -- they don't fit into our
> worldview," Anderson is reported to have said.[5] Anderson further
> insisted that the new APA Task Force "would base its findings on
> research, not ideology."
>
> But "the concern about 'worldview' didn't stop them from including
> Dr. Jack Drescher in their Task Force," says Rev. Bob Stith, head
of
> the Gender Issues Office of the Southern Baptist Convention. "He
> [Drescher] just happens to be the editor of the Journal of Gay and
> Lesbian Psychotherapy."[6]
>
> If the panel adopts a position that such therapy is unethical,
> therapists who offer help to homosexuals wishing to change could
be
> censured or lose their licenses to practice.
>
> All this politicization of science is the reason I have chosen to
> remain a layperson in my own mental-health advocacy and recovery
> work. I simply refuse to bow to that kind of politically correct
> pressure. I'll take the freedom to work outside the politicized
APA
> umbrella, over the prestige of having professional credentials,
any
> day. And, I am joined by an entire "army" of similar volunteers.
>
> A new book by Dr. Stanton Jones and Dr. Mark Yarhouse, Ex-gays?: A
> Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual
> Orientation, concludes that there is little risk of harm from
> therapy willingly sought by individuals seeking to change their
same-
> sex attraction, and substantiates that change (either the ability
to
> maintain celibacy, or a shift toward satisfactory heterosexuality)
> does occur in a significant percentage of people, at a success
rate
> at least equivalent to treatment for depression.[7] This study,
> combined with the growing numbers of people drawn to ex-gay
> conferences sponsored by Exodus or Focus on the Family, has
greatly
> agitated the gay-activist community.
>
> "The APA said it would consider alternate viewpoints, but totally
> shunned nationally recognized therapists who treat those wanting
to
> leave homosexuality," said Stith. "I wonder why, if they're so
> committed to 'science,' they would be afraid to hear an alternate
> viewpoint."[8]
>
> Stith received a letter earlier this year from Dr. Gerald Koocher,
a
> former president of the APA, in which Koocher stated, "Obviously,
> some people change their sexual orientation: they change from
> straight to gay and from gay to straight. What has never been
shown
> is that therapy of any type is effective in changing sexual
> orientation."[9]
>
> "The interesting thing is that he says, 'it has never been shown
> that therapy is effective.' All of this sounds a lot like
Orwellian
> doublespeak," Stith said. "As I expressed in a letter to Dr.
> Koocher, I think at some point, rank-and-file Americans are going
to
> lose confidence in therapists because more and more of them are
> going to see the living proof of that which the APA says 'doesn't
> happen.'"[10]
>
>
> http://www.narth.com/docs/thurman.html
>

Hey Paul,

Thanks for your interpretation - I have a question, though. What
exactly are you referring to when you use the term "arrested sexual
development?" Also, you mentioned a "pre-adolescent mindset."

If either of these terms are graphic, please just say so - I'm not
really interested in that type of "enlightenment," if you know what
I mean. I made the mistake a couple of years ago, by asking for the
meaning of a particular acronym...then I wished I hadn't. Anyway,
I'm assuming this is a psychological and/or medical term, but just
in case there is more to the term, I ask you keep that disclosed. I
didn't want to search this out via google - not sure what would "pop
up."

I have found, personally, that the innocence of not knowing some
things is far better than being informed. : ) Nonetheless, this is a
very interesting and educational thread.

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Paul Silen
<p_csilen@...> wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The roots of SSA are
based in arrested sexual development. And for many of the gays and
lesbians whom I have encountered over the years, its not just theirs
sexual development that gets stifled, its their emotional
development as well. Although a lot of us have established ourselves
in successful careers, many of us haven't. This is because we are
emotionally locked into a pre-adolescent mind set. And I speak for
myself as well. Even though I am not acting out I feel like I am
emotionally about thirteen or fourteen.
>
>   As for gay couples raising kids, could you see a couple of
middle school aged kids raising a child? Think about it. Believe me.
I have see the aftermath.
>
> ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
>           Sounds like a very powerful article and book - we should
pray for
> her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.
>
> I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
> Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She
noted
> that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
> interesting account from someone who has lived through this
> experience.
>
> Christa
>
> --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
> <moreytom@> wrote:
> >
> > Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> > comes from homosexual parenting
> > Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> > Stefanowicz
> >
> > A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> > that details the trauma she suffered during her
> > childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> > behavior.
> > Hear this Report
> > advertisement
> >
> > Dawn Stefanowicz recounts her story of growing up in a
> > homosexual home in Toronto, Canada, during the 1960s
> > in Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
> > (Annotation Press). Stefanowicz says she was prompted
> > to write the book back in 2004 after testifying before
> > a Canadian Senate committee against hate crime
> > legislation and expressing public opposition to sexual
> > diversity curriculum in her country's schools.
> >
> > The author and speaker says it was a painful and also
> > "healing" process to write down every detail she could
> > remember of being raised by a father who welcomed
> > numerous male sex partners into the family's home on a
> > regular basis. Stefanowicz says her father's
> > destructive homosexual behavior created sexuality
> > confusion in her life. In the book, she chronicles
> > how, as a young girl, she often wished she were a boy.
> >
> > "It's a very difficult thing to describe," she shares.
> > "You doubt your own sexuality because you're looking
> > at your parent's example. And for me, when I looked at
> > my father I did not feel affirmed as a young girl
> > growing up, nor as a woman. My own femininity was
> > denied in that kind of situation. Women were not
> > valued."
> >
> > Stefanowicz says she wrote the book with the knowledge
> > that other children in homosexual homes would also
> > come forward to "find truth and their own healing."
> >
> > "Children are impacted long-term in homosexual
> > environments -- not just while they're growing up, but
> > throughout their adulthood," says the author.
> > "Children [of homosexuals] who have been in touch with
> > me, even into their fifties and sixties, still
> > describe certain difficulties that they are facing
> > long-term."
> >
> > Stefanowicz says it was her faith in Jesus Christ that
> > enabled her to face her traumatic past and forgive her
> > father, who died of AIDS in 1991.
> >
> >
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Dear Paul,

Are there some things here being said that are
actually xenophobic in your eyes, or is it just the
association of dealing with sociopolitical issues,
which were obviously based much on fear and hate,
which you experienced. I did too much of the time
while working at an ex-gay ministry in Philly in the
80's, with most of the abuse coming from churchgoers,
not gays!

If the former is the case, then please tell us what in
particular is troubling to you, so that we can go
before the Lord and let Him search our hearts about
it, and then address it forthrightly. I certainly
won't claim to be beyond possessing a spirit of fear,
rather than love and a sound mind. I know when I act
like I'm not vulnerable to taking on such a
dispodsition, then I can best bet that somewhere down
the line that'll be the case in my conduct!

Thanks for bringing the issue up, even if it is just
only about your recall of the past.

Blessings,

Tom
--- Paul Silen <p_csilen@...> wrote:

> Whether or not "The Gay Study Bible" is doctrinal or
> blasphemous, I don't know. This is the first time
> I've heard of it, and I haven't read it. But after
> looking at these posts, the issue that concerns me
> most is xenophobia. that has always been a very
> effective leadership tool to keep ones constituency
> under control. The Evangelical Church in America is
> certainly no exception. In the nineteenth and
> twentieth centuries American Christendom has
> targeted these groups in this order:
>
>   Native Americans
>   Blacks
>   Asians
>   Catholics
>   Diverse Religious Ideologies, (Quakers, Mormons,
> and alike)
>   Foreign Immigrants
>   Jews
>   Communists
>   Gays
>   and now Mexicans
>
>   I vividly remember Anita Bryant's vicious attack
> on gays back in the 70's. I was living in Los
> Angeles at that time, and I had just come out. The
> violence and police harassment that I saw that was
> imposed on the gay community at that time was beyond
> appalling! This was the closest thing to
> "Kristalnacht" that Los Angeles had experienced
> since "The Zoot Suit Wars" of 1943! And this was all
> because of the irrational rantings of a public
> figure whose public presence was waining. Never in
> my life had I been so ashamed of my faith than I was
> at that time. I also have to admit that Anita
> Bryant's ministry and all of the atrocities that
> went with it was very instrumental in driving me
> away from The Church.
>
>   When is the Christian community finally going to
> wake up and look past the propaganda machine and
> look to the message of Jesus, who's message is love.
> I'd like to see a Christian book seller stock "Gay
> Study Bible" and let the readership decide for
> themselves. I assure you. That will not be the only
> controversial book in their store.
>
>
>
> chatha6232 <chatha6232@...> wrote:
>           Yeah, people need to realize that just
> because you print something
> that might look like a Bible and slap the words
> "Holy Bible" across
> the front of it doesn't mean that's what it actually
> is. The devil's
> very game is deception.
>
> --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Laura"
> <exgaydates@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > From Religion News Blog:
> >
> > Christian bookshops are refusing to stock copies
> of a new Bible
> study
> > guide which challenges standard New Testament
> translations that
> > describe gay sex as sinful.A US distributor, God's
> Word to Women,
> has
> > banned the Australian publication, and withdrawn
> another Bible
> > translation published by the same NSW publishing
> house, Smith and
> > Stirling, for promoting a lifestyle in
> contradiction of the
> scriptures.
> >
> > Two American academics have asked that their
> endorsements be
> removed
> > from other works by a classical Greek
> lexicographer, Ann Nyland,
> > because of her authorship of the gay study Bible.
> >
> > http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
>
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19971/christian-bookshops-refuse-to-
> > stock-gay-study-bible
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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helpful and well-taken.
--- chatha6232 <chatha6232@...> wrote:

> Get used to us followers of Jesus being mistreated
> in America. It is
> coming and there is no stopping it. Of course,
> that's not to say we
> can't or shouldn't protest - and loudly - but not
> because
> our "rights" are being violated (we surrendered them
> to Jesus when we
> submitted to Him as our Master and King); but
> because we need to warn
> them about the devastation they are about wreak on
> society.
>
> But we need to keep speaking out even when they
> finally manage to
> pass antiChristian-speech laws. Wear your faith like
> a yellow star.
> Let them brand you, mark you for destruction. In the
> end, we are the
> ones who survive, not them.
>
> Chanukah sameach l'otem. (Happy Hanukah, All) - A
> fitting salutation
> in light of this news. (The followers of God won
> over the anti-God
> pagans and God gave a sign of promise with the
> miracle of the oil
> that He is still with us and has not abandoned us.)
>
>
>
>
> --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas
> Morey
> <moreytom@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is just so shameful and embarassing! It's
> > embarassing because it is my home town. And it's
> > shameful because the city council is clearly just
> > oiling the wheel that squeaks the loudest (the gay
> > political caucus), rather than even considering
> the
> > true moral issues here. They have sold their souls
> in
> > order to stay in office, hiding behind this
> > quasi-rational mask of it being a discrimination
> > issue. Hey, city council, you bet it is! They act
> like
> > this word, "discrimination" is profanity! No, city
> > council, let's use the common sense that we are
> all
> > endowed with in our heads, rather than burying
> them in
> > the sand. It is not too hard to understand that
> some
> > acts of discrimination are not only appropriate,
> but
> > what can actually save our own lives and our
> society!
> > Besides the (BSA's) Boy Scouts of America's tenets
> > being Judeo-Christian, did you know that there is
> > another critical reason for discriminating against
> > self-avowed and practicing gay males, and it may
> even
> > be more important than their religious mores. It
> is
> > the fact that 40% of those who sexually offend
> boys at
> > the age of adolescence are MSM's (men who have sex
> > with men)? Just take a look at Judith Reismann's
> "The
> > Homosexualization of Youth in America" report. I'm
> > sure you can find it on Adobe at a website
> somewhere,
> > maybe at NARTH. It is why GLBT activist groups are
> now
> > attempting to get, or to keep, the legal age for
> > consensual sex at around 14, whenever they have an
> > opportunity to do so! They were successful in
> Ontario
> > just recently I believe. This is why the Roman
> > Catholic church in America is putting all stops
> out on
> > even ordaining men who have predominantly same sex
> > attractions now. And, do you see the Red Cross
> giving
> > into the ungodly political pressure (and believe
> you
> > me, there has been much throughout that they have
> > encountered in the years of this ongoing HIV/AIDS
> > epidemic), knowing that if they do give in, the
> blood
> > bank will be contaminated with the not only HIV,
> but
> > also hepatitis. So, isn't the safety of our male
> > adolescents just as important as the blood bank?
> >
> > Well, I'm going to Philly over Christmas and New
> > Year's, and I'm boycotting all public venues in
> the
> > city, and telling everyone I know to do the same.
> I
> > hope you'll join me, if you do happen to live
> there or
> > travel there. I hope that the AFA (American Family
> > Association), Bill O'Reilly and whomever else
> cares
> > about the welfare of our future generations in the
> > public eye will call a boycott as well.
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Tom
> > --- Laura <exgaydates@...> wrote:
> >
> > > By IAN URBINA
> > >
> > > PHILADELPHIA, Dec. 4 — For three years the
> > > Philadelphia council of
> > > the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It
> > > resisted the city's
> > > request to change its discriminatory policy
> toward
> > > gay people
> > > despite threats that if it did not do so, the
> city
> > > would evict the
> > > group from a municipal building where the Scouts
> > > have resided
> > > practically rent free since 1928.
> > >
> > > Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the
> > > Beaux Arts building
> > > is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of
> the
> > > organization and
> > > the first of the more than 300 council service
> > > centers built by the
> > > Scouts around the country over the past century…
>
> > >
> > > Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from
> a
> > > duty to defend
> > > civil rights and an obligation to abide by a
> local
> > > law that bars
> > > taxpayer support for any group that
> discriminates.
> > > Boy Scout
> > > officials said it was about preserving their
> > > culture, protecting the
> > > right of private organizations to remain
> exclusive
> > > and defending
> > > traditions like requiring members to swear an
> oath
> > > of duty to God
> > > and prohibiting membership by anyone who is
> openly
> > > homosexual.
> > >
> > > This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand
> and
> > > lost.
> > >
> > > "At the end of the day, you can not be in a
> > > city-owned facility
> > > being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have
> > > language in your
> > > lease that talks about nondiscrimination," said
> City
> > > Councilman
> > > Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district
> where
> > > the building is
> > > located. "Negotiations are over."
> > >
> > > Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the
> > > deadline passed for
> > > the local chapter to change its policy; on June
> 1
> > > the group will be
> > > evicted.
> > >
> > > "Since we were founded, we believe that open
> > > homosexuality would be
> > > inconsistent with the values that we want to
> > > communicate with our
> > > leaders," said Gregg Shields, national spokesman
> for
> > > the Boy
> > > Scouts. "A belief in God is also mentioned in
> the
> > > Scout oath. We
> > > believe that those values are important.
> Tradition
> > > is important. Our
> > > mission is to instill those values in scouts and
> > > help them make good
> > > choices over their lifetimes."
>
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weekend, People Can Change has expanded the number of offerings to nine for 2008
-- including two near London, England and our first JiM weekend with a
particular outreach to African American men -- set for June 20-22 near
Nashville. If you have friends, colleagues or inroads into African American
communities of men who may be interested or who may refer men who are
interested, please pass this news about the June Journey Into Manhood on to
them.

   Visit the Web site at www.peoplecanchange.com/JIM_announce.htm for a list of
dates and locations for all the JiM weekends in 2008.

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Hearing about Johnathan's journey toward faith and healing is
encouraging.

This week at work I neglected to notice a problem with some machinery
(which caused it to break... expensive... bosses are NOT happy...)
  ...because... I was mentally distracted by the opposite sex...

She was laughing at my jokes, and I just couldn't concentrate... It was
psychological, not sexual, but that's still amazing. I literally
ignored the crunching of machinery tearing up because I had
successfully and naturally engaged the opposite sex in conversation
with the intent to impress with humor... Wow... And I didn't even
realize what I had been doing until after half a dozen people were
running around the broken machinery and they were asking me what
happened...

The womens group has been up for a month and so far the group needs
more encouragement and support than I can provide.If you are a women
and would like to lend a helping hand to those who are struggling with
SSA please join!

Thanks

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExGayWomen/

"I Am Not Alone" by Natalie Grant-Video

If you are able to go on Youtube this video of Natalie Grant siging "I
Am Not Alone" is a christian classic. I have gotten so much inspiration
from hearing her voice.I think thepower of music to direct our thouhts
is especiallyhelpful for those who struggle with ssa. The power of
christian music forces you to recall how powerful God is and how much
God is still in control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfTrVl_pzA

"Pride and prejudice: Montel Williams style"

By Alan Chambers

So, Montel Williams has a temper. While in Savannah to promote a
program offering free prescriptions to those with low incomes, the
talk-show host blew up at Courtney Scott, a high school intern at
the Savannah Morning News, when she asked him, "Do you think
pharmaceutical companies would be discouraged from research and
development if their profits were restricted?" Williams terminated
the interview and later said to Scott, "Do you know who I am? I'm a
big star, and I can look you up, find where you live and blow you
up." He has since apologized.

Some might be surprised by the Montel's irrational outburst. I'm
not. I was a guest on his show this past March and witnessed the
same pride as well as an ample display of his prejudice.

As a former homosexual and president of a ministry that helps those
dealing with unwanted same-sex attraction, I am often invited to
share my story in the media. "The Montel Williams Show" was no
exception, and my wife and I joined the show's panel for an episode
on change and homosexuality. I never expected Montel to be unbiased,
but wanted to laugh out loud when he actually stated that he was.


Most of the 250-member audience was made up of men and women from
the local Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Community Center. The
guest list was predictably one-sided with a variety of individuals
who did not support our views. One of them was Lance Carroll, a 19-
year-old experiencing same-sex attraction who had attended one of
our member ministries. Shortly before he was to share his story, my
friends Tom and Donna Cole, both former homosexuals, stated
privately to Montel that their life experiences were just as
legitimate as this young man's. Montel, angered by their plea for
equality, began screaming, "This is my show. I can do whatever I
want. I'm in charge." He then threw them out of the studio without
an explanation. While his staff attributed his behavior to his MS
medications, they themselves were unnerved – one was in tears and
another was cursing. Of course, none of that made the cut.

Montel proceeded to "interview" me, but when I mentioned that I left
homosexuality to live according to my personal convictions and
biblical beliefs, he flew into a rage. The final straw was when Dr.
Alicia Salzer, a gay activist and after-care director for the show,
began publicly promoting faulty scientific claims. She
said, "Science has shown us that 96 percent of people cannot change
and along the way absorb an enormous amount of self-loathing, a lot
of confusion, a lot of family conflict – so I know the harm." When
asked for the data to support this assertion, Salzer pointed to the
2002 research of Drs. Ariel Shidlo and Michael Schroeder. Yet, by
the researchers own disclaimer, their study cannot be used to
support this statistic.

Salzer has offered no other support for her televised claim. So we
filed an ethics complaint with the New York branch of the American
Psychiatric Association, as the APA's own Code of Ethics denounces
making such public statements.

We all understand that the media is biased. We all know that the
facts are often manipulated in journalism, but ultimately this media
bias really only promotes the two character traits most journalists
say they find deplorable – ignorance and fear.

I get regular e-mails from those who feel defrauded by the media on
a regular basis when it comes to this issue. I don't know what
Montel and others in the media have to fear about an honest, civil
discussion that includes stories like mine, but their prejudice
isn't helpful to the public. Obfuscating the facts and subverting
opposing viewpoints only deprives others of a chance to have real
dialogue about the culture we live in and hurts those dealing with
issues like this on a personal level as well.

So whether Montel was staunchly defending his own personal agenda or
just needs some serious anger management, I'll probably never know.
But before he and others in the media get on their soapbox to defend
equality and tolerance, how 'bout a little for us?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59094

-Alan Chambers is the president of Exodus International, the world's
leading outreach to those affected by unwanted same-sex attraction.

Dear Bridget,

Thanks for sharing! I would like to send you a big internet hug!

A

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, "Bridget Night"
<BridgetNight123@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I spoke to my son, Johnathan last night on IM.  We had not spoken in
> awhile and he wanted to know how I was doing. We had a really good talk.
> We shared about our holiday shopping and how we are spending more
than we
> wanted. We talked about his reading of the New testament. I told him
about
> Lee Strobel's new book, "The Case for the Real Jesus."  It is his latest
> book that explores the questions recently raised about Jesus by
prominent
> atheists and liberal scholars. My son has liked this author and so he
> asked if I would get it for him for Christmas.  I also got him a gift
> certificate for a massage which he loves to get every Christmas. He
asked
> me if I had listened to the most recent political debates and we did our
> usual discussing of politics and who we support and why we support them.
> We did find some common ground there and are respectful even though we
> disagree on a number of points.
>
>
>
> I reminded him that his dad's birthday is December 5th.  He was glad
I did
> because he had forgotten.  As we continued talking he said that he had
> found a great e-card he was going to send his dad and showed me what he
> had written on the e-card to his dad. It almost made me cry. Here is
what
> he said:
>
>
>
>  I just want to wish my wonderful father a happy birthday and say how
> proud I am to have you as my father. I want you to know how much I
> appreciate all you have done for me over the years, and that I know
it has
> been difficult, for both of us. However I have my first job in the game
> industry now and I am very happy with what I do. I wouldn't have
been able
> to do it without your love and support.
>
>  :
>
> More than that, you have also been a very kind father to me. Many
fathers
> are not so kind to their sons, especially when they find out that their
> sons may be flawed. I am glad that you have loved me so unconditionally.
> For this, I can honestly say that I love you, and I look forward to the
> coming years on this Earth, and the life to come.
>
>
>
> Love,
>
> ~Johnathan
>
>
>
> These are the precious moments that help you know that the Spirit of the
> Lord is working here.
>
>
>
> Blessings to you all, Bridget
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Maurice. I am waiting on the staff application. I just saw the updated
schedule on yesterday. I am excited about it and hope to staff the weekend. I am
an african american JIM graduate.
   Hal in Mississippi

Maurice Brown <maurices5000@...> wrote:
           2008 Dates Set for Nine Journey Into Manhood Weekends

Due to the phenomenal success of the Journey Into Manhood experiential-healing
weekend, People Can Change has expanded the number of offerings to nine for 2008
-- including two near London, England and our first JiM weekend with a
particular outreach to African American men -- set for June 20-22 near
Nashville. If you have friends, colleagues or inroads into African American
communities of men who may be interested or who may refer men who are
interested, please pass this news about the June Journey Into Manhood on to
them.

Visit the Web site at www.peoplecanchange.com/JIM_announce.htm for a list of
dates and locations for all the JiM weekends in 2008.

If you are interested in staffing a JiM weekend: Staff applications for the
second three JiM weekends (May in California, June in Nashville, and August in
Utah) will be sent out by email in February 2008.

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Thanks so much Armand.  How are you and everyone doing right now with all the
hub bub of the holidays?

My son, daughter, her boys, and my friend Niels from Denmark are all flying in
next Wed.  I am so excited. Let's give  a report of how our holidays went after
the its over.

Bridget
www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053<http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/12053>
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   From: Nieuwleven<mailto:armandoke@...>
   To:
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>
   Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:16 PM
   Subject: [ExGDBd] Re: Precious moments


   Dear Bridget,

   Thanks for sharing! I would like to send you a big internet hug!

   A

   --- In
exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com<mailto:exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com\
>, "Bridget Night"
   <BridgetNight123@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi Everyone,
   >
   >
   >
   > I spoke to my son, Johnathan last night on IM. We had not spoken in
   > awhile and he wanted to know how I was doing. We had a really good talk.
   > We shared about our holiday shopping and how we are spending more
   than we
   > wanted. We talked about his reading of the New testament. I told him
   about
   > Lee Strobel's new book, "The Case for the Real Jesus." It is his latest
   > book that explores the questions recently raised about Jesus by
   prominent
   > atheists and liberal scholars. My son has liked this author and so he
   > asked if I would get it for him for Christmas. I also got him a gift
   > certificate for a massage which he loves to get every Christmas. He
   asked
   > me if I had listened to the most recent political debates and we did our
   > usual discussing of politics and who we support and why we support them.
   > We did find some common ground there and are respectful even though we
   > disagree on a number of points.
   >
   >
   >
   > I reminded him that his dad's birthday is December 5th. He was glad
   I did
   > because he had forgotten. As we continued talking he said that he had
   > found a great e-card he was going to send his dad and showed me what he
   > had written on the e-card to his dad. It almost made me cry. Here is
   what
   > he said:
   >
   >
   >
   > I just want to wish my wonderful father a happy birthday and say how
   > proud I am to have you as my father. I want you to know how much I
   > appreciate all you have done for me over the years, and that I know
   it has
   > been difficult, for both of us. However I have my first job in the game
   > industry now and I am very happy with what I do. I wouldn't have
   been able
   > to do it without your love and support.
   >
   > :
   >
   > More than that, you have also been a very kind father to me. Many
   fathers
   > are not so kind to their sons, especially when they find out that their
   > sons may be flawed. I am glad that you have loved me so unconditionally.
   > For this, I can honestly say that I love you, and I look forward to the
   > coming years on this Earth, and the life to come.
   >
   >
   >
   > Love,
   >
   > ~Johnathan
   >
   >
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To answer your question:

   Arrested sexual development:
   If you have ever met a boy or a girl in their mid to late teens who have not
yet reached puberty, that's arrested physical development. Fortunately for these
people they will eventually catch up. Arrested sexual development on the other
hand is a different story. Think back on your own sexual development. The things
that excited you as a child sexually changed though each stage of life. And as
you grew up things that excited you at 10 didn't excite you ar 14. That changed
again in your twenties and forties and so on. For the person with arrested
sexual development suffers from this kind of syndrome. What excites him sexually
in prepubescense stays that way and does not change. Unfortunately he never
grows out of it, and has to pay a very high price for the rest of his life. This
is where his behaviors manifest themselves in interests in same sex attraction,
pedifelia, pornography, multiple partners and so on.

   Preadolescent mindset:

   Even though many people who suffer from arrested sexual development are often
hard working, intellegent, and successful in their careers, emotionally they are
13 or 14. often this is taxing on family and parenting skills. I hope that this
answers your question.

ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
           Hey Paul,

Thanks for your interpretation - I have a question, though. What
exactly are you referring to when you use the term "arrested sexual
development?" Also, you mentioned a "pre-adolescent mindset."

If either of these terms are graphic, please just say so - I'm not
really interested in that type of "enlightenment," if you know what
I mean. I made the mistake a couple of years ago, by asking for the
meaning of a particular acronym...then I wished I hadn't. Anyway,
I'm assuming this is a psychological and/or medical term, but just
in case there is more to the term, I ask you keep that disclosed. I
didn't want to search this out via google - not sure what would "pop
up."

I have found, personally, that the innocence of not knowing some
things is far better than being informed. : ) Nonetheless, this is a
very interesting and educational thread.

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Paul Silen
<p_csilen@...> wrote:
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The roots of SSA are
based in arrested sexual development. And for many of the gays and
lesbians whom I have encountered over the years, its not just theirs
sexual development that gets stifled, its their emotional
development as well. Although a lot of us have established ourselves
in successful careers, many of us haven't. This is because we are
emotionally locked into a pre-adolescent mind set. And I speak for
myself as well. Even though I am not acting out I feel like I am
emotionally about thirteen or fourteen.
>
> As for gay couples raising kids, could you see a couple of
middle school aged kids raising a child? Think about it. Believe me.
I have see the aftermath.
>
> ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
> Sounds like a very powerful article and book - we should
pray for
> her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.
>
> I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
> Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She
noted
> that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
> interesting account from someone who has lived through this
> experience.
>
> Christa
>
> --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
> <moreytom@> wrote:
> >
> > Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> > comes from homosexual parenting
> > Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> > Stefanowicz
> >
> > A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> > that details the trauma she suffered during her
> > childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> > behavior.
> > Hear this Report
> > advertisement
> >
> > Dawn Stefanowicz recounts her story of growing up in a
> > homosexual home in Toronto, Canada, during the 1960s
> > in Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
> > (Annotation Press). Stefanowicz says she was prompted
> > to write the book back in 2004 after testifying before
> > a Canadian Senate committee against hate crime
> > legislation and expressing public opposition to sexual
> > diversity curriculum in her country's schools.
> >
> > The author and speaker says it was a painful and also
> > "healing" process to write down every detail she could
> > remember of being raised by a father who welcomed
> > numerous male sex partners into the family's home on a
> > regular basis. Stefanowicz says her father's
> > destructive homosexual behavior created sexuality
> > confusion in her life. In the book, she chronicles
> > how, as a young girl, she often wished she were a boy.
> >
> > "It's a very difficult thing to describe," she shares.
> > "You doubt your own sexuality because you're looking
> > at your parent's example. And for me, when I looked at
> > my father I did not feel affirmed as a young girl
> > growing up, nor as a woman. My own femininity was
> > denied in that kind of situation. Women were not
> > valued."
> >
> > Stefanowicz says she wrote the book with the knowledge
> > that other children in homosexual homes would also
> > come forward to "find truth and their own healing."
> >
> > "Children are impacted long-term in homosexual
> > environments -- not just while they're growing up, but
> > throughout their adulthood," says the author.
> > "Children [of homosexuals] who have been in touch with
> > me, even into their fifties and sixties, still
> > describe certain difficulties that they are facing
> > long-term."
> >
> > Stefanowicz says it was her faith in Jesus Christ that
> > enabled her to face her traumatic past and forgive her
> > father, who died of AIDS in 1991.
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks - this makes sense. Are there specific causes for these
delayed emotional and sexual developments - or issues that prevent
the progressive development of age-appropriate emotions and sexual
functioning? I'm just wondering if any psychologists, etc., have
been able to identify common characteristics, events, or other
specific triggers that stifle an individual's development in these
ways. I'm sure many have speculated on the possible causes but have
any specific things been identified to your knowledge?

Christa

--- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Paul Silen
<p_csilen@...> wrote:
>
> To answer your question:
>
>   Arrested sexual development:
>   If you have ever met a boy or a girl in their mid to late teens
who have not yet reached puberty, that's arrested physical
development. Fortunately for these people they will eventually catch
up. Arrested sexual development on the other hand is a different
story. Think back on your own sexual development. The things that
excited you as a child sexually changed though each stage of life.
And as you grew up things that excited you at 10 didn't excite you
ar 14. That changed again in your twenties and forties and so on.
For the person with arrested sexual development suffers from this
kind of syndrome. What excites him sexually in prepubescense stays
that way and does not change. Unfortunately he never grows out of
it, and has to pay a very high price for the rest of his life. This
is where his behaviors manifest themselves in interests in same sex
attraction, pedifelia, pornography, multiple partners and so on.
>
>   Preadolescent mindset:
>
>   Even though many people who suffer from arrested sexual
development are often hard working, intellegent, and successful in
their careers, emotionally they are 13 or 14. often this is taxing
on family and parenting skills. I hope that this answers your
question.
>
> ctickle777 <ctickle777@...> wrote:
>           Hey Paul,
>
> Thanks for your interpretation - I have a question, though. What
> exactly are you referring to when you use the term "arrested
sexual
> development?" Also, you mentioned a "pre-adolescent mindset."
>
> If either of these terms are graphic, please just say so - I'm not
> really interested in that type of "enlightenment," if you know
what
> I mean. I made the mistake a couple of years ago, by asking for
the
> meaning of a particular acronym...then I wished I hadn't. Anyway,
> I'm assuming this is a psychological and/or medical term, but just
> in case there is more to the term, I ask you keep that disclosed.
I
> didn't want to search this out via google - not sure what
would "pop
> up."
>
> I have found, personally, that the innocence of not knowing some
> things is far better than being informed. : ) Nonetheless, this is
a
> very interesting and educational thread.
>
> Christa
>
> --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Paul Silen
> <p_csilen@> wrote:
> >
> > I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The roots of SSA are
> based in arrested sexual development. And for many of the gays and
> lesbians whom I have encountered over the years, its not just
theirs
> sexual development that gets stifled, its their emotional
> development as well. Although a lot of us have established
ourselves
> in successful careers, many of us haven't. This is because we are
> emotionally locked into a pre-adolescent mind set. And I speak for
> myself as well. Even though I am not acting out I feel like I am
> emotionally about thirteen or fourteen.
> >
> > As for gay couples raising kids, could you see a couple of
> middle school aged kids raising a child? Think about it. Believe
me.
> I have see the aftermath.
> >
> > ctickle777 <ctickle777@> wrote:
> > Sounds like a very powerful article and book - we should
> pray for
> > her safety, and for others like her to come forward as well.
> >
> > I'm surprised that this woman did not experience SSA as well.
> > Perhaps her book identifies this struggle in more detail. She
> noted
> > that she wished she were a "boy" growing up. Anyway, this is an
> > interesting account from someone who has lived through this
> > experience.
> >
> > Christa
> >
> > --- In exgaydiscussionboard@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Morey
> > <moreytom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Author testifies of misery, family dysfunction that
> > > comes from homosexual parenting
> > > Jim Brown OneNewsNow.comNovember 21, 2007 Dawn
> > > Stefanowicz
> > >
> > > A Christian woman from Canada has written a new book
> > > that details the trauma she suffered during her
> > > childhood as a result of her father's homosexual
> > > behavior.
> > > Hear this Report
> > > advertisement
> > >
> > > Dawn Stefanowicz recounts her story of growing up in a
> > > homosexual home in Toronto, Canada, during the 1960s
> > > in Out from Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting
> > > (Annotation Press). Stefanowicz says she was prompted
> > > to write the book back in 2004 after testifying before
> > > a Canadian Senate committee against hate crime
> > > legislation and expressing public opposition to sexual
> > > diversity curriculum in her country's schools.
> > >
> > > The author and speaker says it was a painful and also
> > > "healing" process to write down every detail she could
> > > remember of being raised by a father who welcomed
> > > numerous male sex partners into the family's home on a
> > > regular basis. Stefanowicz says her father's
> > > destructive homosexual behavior created sexuality
> > > confusion in her life. In the book, she chronicles
> > > how, as a young girl, she often wished she were a boy.
> > >
> > > "It's a very difficult thing to describe," she shares.
> > > "You doubt your own sexuality because you're looking
> > > at your parent's example. And for me, when I looked at
> > > my father I did not feel affirmed as a young girl
> > > growing up, nor as a woman. My own femininity was
> > > denied in that kind of situation. Women were not
> > > valued."
> > >
> > > Stefanowicz says she wrote the book with the knowledge
> > > that other children in homosexual homes would also
> > > come forward to "find truth and their own healing."
> > >
> > > "Children are impacted long-term in homosexual
> > > environments -- not just while they're growing up, but
> > > throughout their adulthood," says the author.
> > > "Children [of homosexuals] who have been in touch with
> > > me, even into their fifties and sixties, still
> > > describe certain difficulties that they are facing
> > > long-term."
> > >
> > > Stefanowicz says it was her faith in Jesus Christ that
> > > enabled her to face her traumatic past and forgive her
> > > father, who died of AIDS in 1991.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > _______________
> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> > > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
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