Dearest Andy,
Disasters always breed strong human beings.I have
nothing to add but to wish you and your family a
better,safier and happier "tomorrow".It is great to
see great people like you who are assured that their
families will be better.I can feel the frustration
betwwen your letters.Hang on there.I am sorry that we
are here always to read and listen to
you,ONLY.But,beleive me,they all share with you the
deepest feelings ever.
We can feel whats boiling inside you.
All of us do,I am sure.
May Allah be with you
Hala.Sudan



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Dear DAf,
Just a quick hug for better times a comin' and my wishin' you hadn't
had to have the experience. :(
Lee


On Sep 2, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Barbara Chap wrote:

> Dearest Daf,
>
>
>
> I'm just catching up with my mail and was sick when I read about your
> experience at the airport.  But I like what you said about not being
> scared.
> It's absolutely pointless to be afraid (cautious is something else.)
> You've
> got great spirit!!!
>
>
>
> Fondly,   Barb
>
>
>
> I am not scared, and as I have always said I prefer to die standing
> up, than
> living on my knees.
>
>
>
> I was warmly received by the authorities at the airport in Spain
> (which made
> me feel worse about what is happening in my country) and I am feeling a
> human being again.
>
>
>
> hugs,
>
>
>
> Daf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Andy--
Deepest sympathy to your friends and especially family
in the stricken city. It is hard to imagine a worse
nightmare for anyone.
--Elizabeth

Andy and Susan,
All the things you said really touched me, deeply, and I will save your letters.
Bless you for sharing.
Candy from San Diego.

Andrew Pincon <pincon@...> wrote:

Susan is right on.  What has always disturbed me, even when I was young living
in New Orleans, is people so much better off behaving badly and complaining
about their lot in life.

40 years ago this month I was in the worse hurricane to ever directly hit New
Orleans till Katrina this week, a category 5 hurricane.  We had levees that
broke, or were blown up by the FBI/military to save our Saturn Missile plant,
take your choice.  I know since my bother-in-law was by the levee when it went
and I was very involved in local rescue and rebuilding then and had
"intelligence reports".  We had flooded areas, some of the very same locations
in the city with over 30,000 homes I might add, that remained flooded for well
over 6 months before the water was pumped out.  We had devastation everywhere,
no power for over 1 month, no water, little in the way of food and no gasoline. 
We also had very little looting, no murders, no sick, no poor, no children dying
in the streets.  40 years later the very same city is reacting so differently to
a natural disaster that for those of us who went through Hurricane Betsy and
know what damage a storm like this can do to infrastructure
and the social fabric of a city cannot stomach the break down a civilization
like New Orleans.

The major loss of life 40 years ago was due to the Industrial Canal levee being
breached  or blown up to save the Saturn missile plant.  The major loss of life
today is due to human incompetence and humans preying on one another
opportunistically.  And yet in many ways the two storms, Betsy 40 years ago and
Katrina today are very comparable in their destructive power.  But this time
around mankind is the destructive enemy, not nature.   That I think calls for a
lesson in humanity comparable to what Susan is saying for her society in Iran,
the entire Middle East situation or for what happened 10 years ago in Rwanda and
should be taught to children before they find out the hard way through
experience which is a very hard teacher.

My family will be fine, because we have a network of resources that embraced
them and their struggle to rebuild their lives will be light compared to many
others in New Orleans, the Gulf Coast and for that matter in other disasters,
wars or strife.  But I always use events like this to underscore the opportunity
to learn a life lesson from this pain and strife for to not do so evokes the old
cliche: "Those who do not learn from history are condemn to repeat it."

Thanks to all of you for your kindness and those of you in areas with more
problems than Katrina's victims my prayers and good wishes for a more peaceful
and kinder world go out to you, especially to your country Susan.

Andy Pincon


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:19:27 -0000
From: "(Seyyedeh) Susan Marandi"
Subject: Re: New Orleans

Dear Andrew and all American Webheads,

Although I'm sure Andrew is right that we're not seeing even 10% of
what is happening in New Orleans, Mississippi, etc., even the little
we did see was shocking beyond belief. Please accept my heart-felt
sympathy and condolences. I especially feel very much for those of
you who had personal losses. I can relate to that after our 8 years
of war, and pray to God for all those who have lost lives, health,
property, hopes, memories, integrity, or security. I can hardly
bear to think of it.

And yet let us not forget that there are millions of other people
elsewhere, sharing a similar yet crueller, more prolonged fate, not
at the hands of Nature, but at the hands of human beings. I offer a
prayer for one and all in the same breath: Dear God, deliver us
from the hands of Katrina, and deliver us from the hands of George!
Amen.

Praying for you hourly,
Susan Marandi @>---;-
Tehran, Iran





Best Regards
Andrew Pinçon
Excutive Director
Digital Workforce Education Society
An Illinois Entrepreneurship Network Affiliate
pincon@...
pincon@...
http://www.digibridge.org




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Great!--
Our first volunteer!

Sus--you are so experienced, you can float through the
training period.

We need at least one TESOL member on the moderation
team. Can anyone help here?

--Elizabeth
PS: I can't seem to access Knowplace.ca because it
says "students aren't allowed in."  Or maybe it's just
that no one is there--can't seem to catch the right
time/place.
I did join 360.yahoo.com--looks promising.
Flickr is now a part of Yahoo, so all connections are
getting easier.


>>>>>>>
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:53:48 -0000
    From: "susannenyrop" <s.nyrop@...>
Subject: Re: Call for BLOGGERS!

Hi Elizabeth and those who may consider doing a
blog-something
workshop for the coming EVONline season - I would like
to be part of a
moderator team. I know from past experiences that this
could be well
done as teamwork. However, I know that I wil not have
very much time
for the pre-workshop as I will be very busy at that
time with the
Nordic voice conference CoP facilitation in November.

Please let me know if you would like me to give a hand
with the
blogwork anyway?


--- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com,
"Elizabeth Hanson-Smith"
<ehansonsmi@y...> wrote:
> Hi all--
> Bee Dieu has decided to take a little rest from her
many activities,
> but that means the Electronic Village Online may be
without a
blogging
> session this Jan-Feb--unless you can help!
>
> Would anyone here (preferably a little group) be
willing to moderate
> an EVO session on blogging? This could actually be a
way for you to
> make yourself jump in and find out more about
blogging yourself. This
> might also be a means to set up and sustain some
good student blog
> exchanges. You don't necessarily have to teach a
course, just provide
> a good discussion base for participants to
experiment.
>
> The Call for Proposals is found at
>
> <http://webpages.csus.edu/~hansonsm/CfP_2006.html>
>
> Please contact me off-list if you have any questions
about EVO or how
> the sessions work.
>
> Renata and Jane--I'm thinking of you in
particular... Elderbob?
Anyone?
>
> Cheers--
> --Elizabeth
<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hi Rita,

I hope it is not too late to  count me in.

Hala.Khartoum,Sudan

My YI: haloolahakema



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Hi brothers, sisters, and cousins,

Thee RE Group recently received the following message which I paste
below, in hopes of finding a publisher willing to make a donation.
Any ideas on who to approach?    -Mike M.

"Subject: Free books  msbahumaid

Hi every one
I wish you are all well
I am from yemen - Sayoon - Madoodah village .I wish to make a free
course of English for boys in my village to help them to find good
jobs , since they are unable to pay for the books .I am looking for
donations of English text books and tapes ( any thing - old or new )to
be sent by mail.
My addres is
Yemen - Sayoon - P.O.Box : 9167
please help me by sending me books/ tapes or by sending my address to
who help me.
B/R "

Hi everyone.

Anyone who has been attending the Sunday meetings lately will realise
that I have been an infrequent participant lately. I'd just like you
all to know that I would like to be there, but the reality is that my
workload at the moment I think is the heaviest it's been for years.
(It's a long story but that's the situation at the moment!)

I hope they've been going well, and that I can get to some of them
before too long,

- Michael.

I wish you well Michael. That is certainly no fun at all and usually
stressful. Here's wishing you a speedy completion of work!
Lee
On Sep 5, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Michael Coghlan wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> Anyone who has been attending the Sunday meetings lately will realise
> that I have been an infrequent participant lately. I'd just like you
> all to know that I would like to be there, but the reality is that my
> workload at the moment I think is the heaviest it's been for years.
> (It's a long story but that's the situation at the moment!)
>
> I hope they've been going well, and that I can get to some of them
> before too long,
>
> - Michael.
>
>
>
>
>
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Please include me Rita...
yahoo id ...

leebuddyleeb

What did you say yours is?

On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

> Hi, friends,
>
> As promised, I am posting the date for my presentation on:
> "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the Development of Online
> Communities of Practice" in Santa Fe ( a city 150 km away from
> Rosario), at the 2005 FAAPI Conference for EFL teachers in Argentina.
>
> Considering the impact your synchronous greetings have on live
> audiences, once the whole presentation with explanations and sample
> sites is over, I'll invite those of you who can make it, to come in on
> YM, at about 8 pm GMT, on Friday 23 September, and say "hi" to a
> hopefully big audience of teachers from all over the country, and
> maybe, if time and conditions allow, say a little bit about our
> experience as Webheads.
>
> Anyhow, I'll confirm date and time well before the Conference in case
> there are any changes.
>
> Those who can, please, let me know in advance so that I make sure I
> have your YM ID's on my list.
>
> Thank you all, it'll be my pleasure once again to see you online....,
> and to see the audience's faces light up in amazement...
>
> Hugs,
>
> Rita
>
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oops, nevermind about your ym id. :(
I just found it.
Lee

On Aug 27, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Daf, Tere, Buth and Eliz !! My YM ID is
> "ritazeinstejer", so that you and anybody else can contact me when
> online...
> With your support in the background ...nothing can go wrong ! (but
> computers...;-))
>
> And btw, Buth's workshop at Knowtips is being a success !! Today we
> also met on Skype, with Jeff, Elderbob and Lee, and after some
> technical glitches Jeff managed to overcome, we had a clear, most
> interesting voice conversation on personal anecdotes regarding
> "hurdles" on our way...
>
> Congrats, dear Buth, on all your multiple successes !
>
> Hugs to all,
>
> Rita
>
>
>
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Dear Andy,

My heart goes out to you and your family.  You have given so much to the
Webheads community that I hope that I/we can give something back.  In
the first few days after the hurricane, I was restless and wanted to go
there personally to help shuttle people out, seeing that not much was
happening on the federal level.  In fact, my colleagues and I (and
probably a lot of other people) have been shocked at the inadequate
response right after the disaster and the long response time for help to
arrive.  In the words of one of my relatives in Iran, speaking of both
the lack of adequate help and the problems with the levees-"How can this
happen in the most developed country in the world?"

Andy, beside the monetary donation, which I have already sent to the Red
Cross, can you think of anything else that can be done from afar?  Your
story and description make it very clear that the disaster is one of
far-reaching consequences that will affect all of us for several years
to come.  Too little was done now and before, and I hope, our political
leaders are paying attention and learning from this.

BTW, the live video stream at http://www.wwltv.com was excellent.  I
watched it for almost 2 hours yesterday.

Christine
Christine Bauer-Ramazani
School of International Studies      phone: 802-654-2642
Saint Michael's College                fax:      802-654-2595
One Winooski Park
Colchester, VT 05439-0253

web site: http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/
online CALL course:
http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/gsl520_online/demo/CALL_Onlin
e_demo.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Pincon
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:24 PM
To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com; michaelc@...;
Teresa Almeida d'Eca
Subject: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] Digest Number 1248




Teresa, Michael and other Webheads

As a native of New Orleans having spent half of my life there growing up
in New Orleans antebellum Garden District I can tell you whatever news
you get is not even 10% of what is happening.

I have a daughter, son-in-law and three grandchildren who are now in the
midst of relocating to Chicago as their lives are uprooted, not to
mention various aunts, uncles and cousins.  My son-in-law and daughter
have to walk away from a large business, remove their children from
schools and begin to plan a whole new life.  My son-in-law's family is
an old established New Orleans family with homes on St. Charles Ave. and
a very large food distribution business that supplied all of the area
super markets, restaurants and casinos into the Gulf Coast.  Their plant
was blocks away from the Super Dome and they had literally tons of food
they wanted to give to the relief effort that officials failed to use
and subsequently spoiled.

The stories coming out of New Orleans even this evening show things are
steadily degenerating.  While some of those at the Super Dome have been
evacuated there are scores (thousands) of people who no longer rely on
the US Government to assist them and have taken matters into their own
hands.  George Bush's father lost his re-election to Bill Clinton partly
because of FEMA's failure to respond to Hurricane Andrew in Florida.
This Bush will go down in history as another failure for both Iraq lies
and emergency responses to this US crisis.

For those of you who are interest in how bad things really are, and for
your students to learn some important lessons in current world history
you can monitor events live and archived at this link and get the true
story of what's going on the ground in New Orleans and the surrounding
area:  http://www.wwltv.com  The link at the top of the page is the live
streaming video reporting with other links to archives.  This is the
only true reporting that covers all the gory details, not CNN or BBC.
This is Realty Central.

Kindest regards
Andy Pincon
pincon@...





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Elizabeth, Sus, and other Webheads,

I'd be more than happy to step up to the bat if I can help in any way,
but I am not a TESOL member.

elderbob

Dr Elizabeth Hanson-Smith wrote:

> Great!--
> Our first volunteer!
>
> Sus--you are so experienced, you can float through the
> training period.
>
> We need at least one TESOL member on the moderation
> team. Can anyone help here?
>
> --Elizabeth
> PS: I can't seem to access Knowplace.ca because it
> says "students aren't allowed in."  Or maybe it's just
> that no one is there--can't seem to catch the right
> time/place.
> I did join 360.yahoo.com--looks promising.
> Flickr is now a part of Yahoo, so all connections are
> getting easier.
>
>
> >>>>>>>
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:53:48 -0000
>    From: "susannenyrop" <s.nyrop@...>
> Subject: Re: Call for BLOGGERS!
>
> Hi Elizabeth and those who may consider doing a
> blog-something
> workshop for the coming EVONline season - I would like
> to be part of a
> moderator team. I know from past experiences that this
> could be well
> done as teamwork. However, I know that I wil not have
> very much time
> for the pre-workshop as I will be very busy at that
> time with the
> Nordic voice conference CoP facilitation in November.
>
> Please let me know if you would like me to give a hand
> with the
> blogwork anyway?
>
>
> --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com,
> "Elizabeth Hanson-Smith"
> <ehansonsmi@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all--
> > Bee Dieu has decided to take a little rest from her
> many activities,
> > but that means the Electronic Village Online may be
> without a
> blogging
> > session this Jan-Feb--unless you can help!
> >
> > Would anyone here (preferably a little group) be
> willing to moderate
> > an EVO session on blogging? This could actually be a
> way for you to
> > make yourself jump in and find out more about
> blogging yourself. This
> > might also be a means to set up and sustain some
> good student blog
> > exchanges. You don't necessarily have to teach a
> course, just provide
> > a good discussion base for participants to
> experiment.
> >
> > The Call for Proposals is found at
> >
> > <http://webpages.csus.edu/~hansonsm/CfP_2006.html
> <http://webpages.csus.edu/%7Ehansonsm/CfP_2006.html>>
> >
> > Please contact me off-list if you have any questions
> about EVO or how
> > the sessions work.
> >
> > Renata and Jane--I'm thinking of you in
> particular... Elderbob?
> Anyone?
> >
> > Cheers--
> > --Elizabeth
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Good morning Christine:

First let me thank you, Bee, Daf, Teresa, Susan in Iran, Michael and Elizabeth
for your kindness and words of support.  We all felt a sense of wanting to help
suffering humanity during the various disasters and conflicts we've witnessed
over our lifetimes including this latest one.  What is most distubing is the
human predation that occured in a major US city this time around.  I hesitate to
report some of the degenerate acts that have been well documented on the ground
but not reported in the main stream press due to the graphic nature of these
acts of inhumanity.  Had this been done in a war zone like Eastern Europe, South
Africa or Rwanda in the recent past there would be an international human rights
commission convened to investigate the acts of agression against humanity by the
criminal elements in New Orleans involved in the murders and mayhem.  It gets
worse but I do not think this is the correct forum to air the atrocities that
are being detailed in the daily live video
  feeds from www.wwltv.com .  For anyone interested in how quickly the thin
veneer of civilization can be stripped off to reveal the very ugly under belly
of humanity I would suggest they monitor the link above, but beware it is
gruesome at times.

What I would like to suggest to the Webheads who are educators around the world
is to use this situation as learning experience for your various classes.  For
as I said before, "For those who do not learn from history, are condemn to
repeat it".

As for the recovery and humanitarian relief, it will be a few months to a few
years before anything can be done to relocate families back in the area.  Now
that most of the city and suburbs have been evacuated to other states, many will
begin new lives like my daughter and her family and not return to New Orelans or
the suburbs.  Not because of the storm damage or flooding, but because they know
how the people reacted this time around when many New Orleans citizens lost
their souls and became primitive savages preying on one another.  I do not think
words can express how tragic it is to see a cultural center like New Orleans
sink to such a low level of primitive behavior so quickly, in less than one
week.  Most will be in denial and not want the gory truth to come out, but this
time around too many, including foreign tourist who were caught up in the
mayhem, will never forget and never return to New Orleans.

The Tsunami in December was more destructive and yet those populations and
victims reacted in a more civilized manner than many in New Orleans did.  This
is a human tragedy which some historians will analyze for years to come, at
least that is my hope.

Kindest regards
Andy Pincon
pincon@...


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:06:42 -0400
From: "Christine Bauer-Ramazani"
Subject: RE: Digest Number 1248

Dear Andy,

My heart goes out to you and your family. You have given so much to the
Webheads community that I hope that I/we can give something back. In
the first few days after the hurricane, I was restless and wanted to go
there personally to help shuttle people out, seeing that not much was
happening on the federal level. In fact, my colleagues and I (and
probably a lot of other people) have been shocked at the inadequate
response right after the disaster and the long response time for help to
arrive. In the words of one of my relatives in Iran, speaking of both
the lack of adequate help and the problems with the levees-"How can this
happen in the most developed country in the world?"

Andy, beside the monetary donation, which I have already sent to the Red
Cross, can you think of anything else that can be done from afar? Your
story and description make it very clear that the disaster is one of
far-reaching consequences that will affect all of us for several years
to come. Too little was done now and before, and I hope, our political
leaders are paying attention and learning from this.

BTW, the live video stream at http://www.wwltv.com was excellent. I
watched it for almost 2 hours yesterday.

Christine
Christine Bauer-Ramazani
School of International Studies phone: 802-654-2642
Saint Michael's College fax: 802-654-2595
One Winooski Park
Colchester, VT 05439-0253

web site: http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/
online CALL course:
http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/gsl520_online/demo/CALL_Onlin
e_demo.htm





Best Regards
Andrew Pinçon
Excutive Director
Digital Workforce Education Society
An Illinois Entrepreneurship Network Affiliate
pincon@...
pincon@...
http://www.digibridge.org





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Thanks, Candy, for your sweet message, and Andy, I agree with you
wholeheartedly.  The sudden loss of all that one has painstakingly
built over the years is terrible, and I pray for each and every one
of those who are suffering such pain, yet everything is easier to
bear when love, understanding and kindness are there; and even the
slightest hardship is unbearable when we feel that it has been
intentionally and willfully inflicted upon us.

May there always be enough love, wisdom and understanding in the
world!

Warm wishes,
Susan @>---;-

BTW, Andy, if your family are at all like yourself, I am sure they
will soon be back on their feet and learning from the very hardships
and struggles.  I pray that it may be so!  :-)






--- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Candace Pauchnick
<pauchnick@y...> wrote:
> Andy and Susan,
> All the things you said really touched me, deeply, and I will save
your letters. Bless you for sharing.
> Candy from San Diego.
>
> Andrew Pincon <pincon@s...> wrote:
>
> Susan is right on.  What has always disturbed me, even when I was
young living in New Orleans, is people so much better off behaving
badly and complaining about their lot in life.
>
> 40 years ago this month I was in the worse hurricane to ever
directly hit New Orleans till Katrina this week, a category 5
hurricane.  We had levees that broke, or were blown up by the
FBI/military to save our Saturn Missile plant, take your choice.  I
know since my bother-in-law was by the levee when it went and I was
very involved in local rescue and rebuilding then and
had "intelligence reports".  We had flooded areas, some of the very
same locations in the city with over 30,000 homes I might add, that
remained flooded for well over 6 months before the water was pumped
out.  We had devastation everywhere, no power for over 1 month, no
water, little in the way of food and no gasoline.  We also had very
little looting, no murders, no sick, no poor, no children dying in
the streets.  40 years later the very same city is reacting so
differently to a natural disaster that for those of us who went
through Hurricane Betsy and know what damage a storm like this can
do to infrastructure
> and the social fabric of a city cannot stomach the break down a
civilization like New Orleans.
>
> The major loss of life 40 years ago was due to the Industrial
Canal levee being breached  or blown up to save the Saturn missile
plant.  The major loss of life today is due to human incompetence
and humans preying on one another opportunistically.  And yet in
many ways the two storms, Betsy 40 years ago and Katrina today are
very comparable in their destructive power.  But this time around
mankind is the destructive enemy, not nature.   That I think calls
for a lesson in humanity comparable to what Susan is saying for her
society in Iran, the entire Middle East situation or for what
happened 10 years ago in Rwanda and should be taught to children
before they find out the hard way through experience which is a very
hard teacher.
>
> My family will be fine, because we have a network of resources
that embraced them and their struggle to rebuild their lives will be
light compared to many others in New Orleans, the Gulf Coast and for
that matter in other disasters, wars or strife.  But I always use
events like this to underscore the opportunity to learn a life
lesson from this pain and strife for to not do so evokes the old
cliche: "Those who do not learn from history are condemn to repeat
it."
>
> Thanks to all of you for your kindness and those of you in areas
with more problems than Katrina's victims my prayers and good wishes
for a more peaceful and kinder world go out to you, especially to
your country Susan.
>
> Andy Pincon
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:19:27 -0000
> From: "(Seyyedeh) Susan Marandi"
> Subject: Re: New Orleans
>
> Dear Andrew and all American Webheads,
>
> Although I'm sure Andrew is right that we're not seeing even 10%
of
> what is happening in New Orleans, Mississippi, etc., even the
little
> we did see was shocking beyond belief. Please accept my heart-felt
> sympathy and condolences. I especially feel very much for those of
> you who had personal losses. I can relate to that after our 8
years
> of war, and pray to God for all those who have lost lives, health,
> property, hopes, memories, integrity, or security. I can hardly
> bear to think of it.
>
> And yet let us not forget that there are millions of other people
> elsewhere, sharing a similar yet crueller, more prolonged fate,
not
> at the hands of Nature, but at the hands of human beings. I offer
a
> prayer for one and all in the same breath: Dear God, deliver us
> from the hands of Katrina, and deliver us from the hands of
George!
> Amen.
>
> Praying for you hourly,
> Susan Marandi @>---;-
> Tehran, Iran
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards
> Andrew Pinçon
> Excutive Director
> Digital Workforce Education Society
> An Illinois Entrepreneurship Network Affiliate
> pincon@d...
> pincon@a...
> http://www.digibridge.org
>
>
>
>
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Here you are more (on IT and elearning).... though the
web is in Spanish...

http://www.elearningworkshops.com/modules.php?name=Calendario

María


www.mariajordano.com




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Rita--
Will we be atttempting voice with YM, or just text? I
might be able to use my husband's PC (which
self-destructed yet again on WinXP recently, but has
been resuscitated), if you are going to do voice.

Otherwise, I'm a typist.

Cheers--
--Elizabeth


On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

> Hi, friends,
>
> As promised, I am posting the date for my
presentation on:
> "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the
Development of Online
> Communities of Practice" in Santa Fe ( a city 150 km
away from
> Rosario), at the 2005 FAAPI Conference for EFL
teachers in Argentina.
>
> Considering the impact your synchronous greetings
have on live
> audiences, once the whole presentation with
explanations and sample
> sites is over, I'll invite those of you who can make
it, to come in
on
> YM, at about 8 pm GMT, on Friday 23 September, and
say "hi" to a
> hopefully big audience of teachers from all over the
country, and
> maybe, if time and conditions allow, say a little
bit about our
> experience as Webheads.
>
> Anyhow, I'll confirm date and time well before the
Conference in case
> there are any changes.
>
> Those who can, please, let me know in advance so
that I make sure I
> have your YM ID's on my list.
>
> Thank you all, it'll be my pleasure once again to
see you online....,
> and to see the audience's faces light up in
amazement...
>
> Hugs,
>
> Rita

Thanks for volunteering, Bob--
   Maybe someone who is new at blogging, but is a TESOL
member, could jump on this team and be the
"figurehead" for the group? you'd learn a lot from
Elderbob and Sus!

anyone?

Cheers--
--Elizabeth


>>>>>>>>
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:30:35 -0500
    From: "elderbob@..."
<elderbob@...>
Subject: Re: Re:Call for BLOGGERS!

Elizabeth, Sus, and other Webheads,

I'd be more than happy to step up to the bat if I can
help in any way,
but I am not a TESOL member.

elderbob

Dr Elizabeth Hanson-Smith wrote:

> Great!--
> Our first volunteer!
>
> Sus--you are so experienced, you can float through
the
> training period.
>
> We need at least one TESOL member on the moderation
> team. Can anyone help here?
>
> --Elizabeth

Hi Rita,

I would love to join but it's 4 a.m. Taiwan time :-( perhaps next time...

aiden




On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

> Hi, friends,
>
> As promised, I am posting the date for my
presentation on:
> "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the
Development of Online
> Communities of Practice" in Santa Fe ( a city 150 km
away from
> Rosario), at the 2005 FAAPI Conference for EFL
teachers in Argentina.
>


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Hi, Rita, Aiden,

    I would like to join the online conference.  Thanks!
Regards,
Derli

Aiden Yeh <aidenyeh@...> »¡¡G
Hi Rita,

I would love to join but it's 4 a.m. Taiwan time :-( perhaps next time...

aiden




On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

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>
> As promised, I am posting the date for my
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> "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the
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> Communities of Practice" in Santa Fe ( a city 150 km
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> Rosario), at the 2005 FAAPI Conference for EFL
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Hi, Rita,

    I would join it.

Regards,
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Please include me Rita...
yahoo id ...

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What did you say yours is?

On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:

> Hi, friends,
>
> As promised, I am posting the date for my presentation on:
> "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the Development of Online
> Communities of Practice" in Santa Fe ( a city 150 km away from
> Rosario), at the 2005 FAAPI Conference for EFL teachers in Argentina.
>
> Considering the impact your synchronous greetings have on live
> audiences, once the whole presentation with explanations and sample
> sites is over, I'll invite those of you who can make it, to come in on
> YM, at about 8 pm GMT, on Friday 23 September, and say "hi" to a
> hopefully big audience of teachers from all over the country, and
> maybe, if time and conditions allow, say a little bit about our
> experience as Webheads.
>
> Anyhow, I'll confirm date and time well before the Conference in case
> there are any changes.
>
> Those who can, please, let me know in advance so that I make sure I
> have your YM ID's on my list.
>
> Thank you all, it'll be my pleasure once again to see you online....,
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>
> Hugs,
>
> Rita
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At 03:36 PM 9/7/2005, Aiden wrote:
>Hi Rita,
>
>I would love to join but it's 4 a.m. Taiwan time :-( perhaps next time...

And 5.30 am for me Rita (hence my silence about this one!)

- Michael



>On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:
>
> > Hi, friends,
> >
> > As promised, I am posting the date for my
>presentation on:
> > "Synchronous and Asynchronous Tools Aiding the
>Development of Online
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it's midnight my time and if I'm still awake I'll tune in

I had meant to ask, Rita, will you be broadcasting your presentation?
It would be a lot different experience if you were speaking TO your
live online audience during your presentation.

It might be awkward for you to manage doing that in YM, although
someone in your audience could handle getting people into the
conference that would accumulate while you talked, so that all in the
conference could listen.

Then you could also put up a web cam perhaps ?? though this is risky
due to bandwidth issues.

On the other other hand if you used LT / Elluminate you could b/cast
in voice and even web cam while projecting either ppt or web tour to
your online and on site audiences.  This worked well for us at TESOL
last year.

You can also use Alado for voice and presentation capabilities though
you would have to arrange for admin permission beforehand.

You can have more than one moderator and and arrange to coordinate the
logistics with someone else so that during the event you just talk and
change slides or web pages, and your co-moderator follows you in the
presentation portal.

Let us know if you're interested in getting this deeply into things.
You could always fall back on YM even if planning a more elaborate
online presentation.

Vance


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Coghlan <michaelc@...>
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2005 0:04 am
Subject: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: Rita's Conference Sept 23
20:00 GMT

> At 03:36 PM 9/7/2005, Aiden wrote:
> >Hi Rita,
> >
> >I would love to join but it's 4 a.m. Taiwan time :-( perhaps next
> time...
> And 5.30 am for me Rita (hence my silence about this one!)
>
> - Michael
>
>
>
> >On Aug 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Rita Zeinstejer wrote:
> >
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> > >
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Hi Hala,

I'm sorry to hear about your brother's health problems. I'm sure it
is a hard time for all your family. Hope he gets better soon. He
will definitely need all possible help and support from all of you
during these moments.

Best wishes,
Ismail.



> In Arabic language we have a proverb that holds the
> the  following meaning" You should have known,
> I wouldn't  have been late
>  if it was not a great serious incident"that led me to
> do so"..(authentic translation).
> I want to say that I did not answer the urgent emails
> as I was in Doha,Qatar,with very little  access to the
> Internet,if any.Not because I was'nt able to,,but.. my
> father went there to my brother for his annual
> vacation,and out of the bloom ,it turned out  that he
> has lung cancer.Luckily, first stage.

Dear Rita,

You can also stick to YM, if necessary or more practical for you, broadcast
your presentation to the online group and one of us could record it with
Audacity.

Just another option.

Hugs,

Teresa


> I had meant to ask, Rita, will you be broadcasting your presentation?
> It would be a lot different experience if you were speaking TO your
> live online audience during your presentation.
>
> It might be awkward for you to manage doing that in YM, although
> someone in your audience could handle getting people into the
> conference that would accumulate while you talked, so that all in the
> conference could listen.
> Let us know if you're interested in getting this deeply into things.
> You could always fall back on YM even if planning a more elaborate
> online presentation.
> Vance

Hello Rita,

Please consider the suggestions of Vance and Teresa. Your conference
presentation sounds extremely interesting. If it doesn't create
excessive inconenience at your end, I believe that many would benefit
from hearing your presentation (either live by webcast, or recorded as
a podcast).

I've recently enjoyed hearing you on a couple of the World Bridges
webcasts. Would it be possible to use Jeff's services again to webcast
the event?

best wishes,
Scott Lockman
Tokyo, Japan


--- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Almeida d'Eca"
<tmvaz@m...> wrote:
> Dear Rita,
>
> You can also stick to YM, if necessary or more practical for you,
broadcast
> your presentation to the online group and one of us could record it
with
> Audacity.
>
> Just another option.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Teresa

Hi, dear all,

Many thanks for your support and for your volunteering to say hi to
the live audience on Sept 23. As I suspected, I got the news of a
change in the allotted time for my presentation, now slotted at 11.30
am GMT.
Please, those who have offered to show up, see if the new time suits
you...(hope so!)

As for the options you suggest for broadcasting my pres, Vance, I'd
love to be able to do so, but wouldn't like to cut a poor figure in
front of an audience, so maybe I'd need a couple of rehearsal
sessions to feel confident enough..., mainly bearing in mind it'll be
in a place where I have no idea of technological availabilities...,
i.e. dial up or broadband, a technician at hand, etc, plus my need to
be there well in time to check programs...The rehearsal session
should be next week, from home. I'm in Connecticut at the moment,
visiting my kids here, and will be back home by Monday evening, so
I'll still have a week ahead in case we can arrange to meet at LT and
see if I can make it safely...:-))

For those who offered to be present and who needed my YM ID (Lee
Barber..), it's "ritazeinstejer".

Again, my most hearfelt gratefulness to all who are helping me make
of this a successful event. Hugs to all,

Rita

Thank you Tere dear, yes! that is also a good option, but I want to
see first if I could broadcast it from LT, as Vance suggested, which
I know would be the ideal thing.
Anyhow, I'll let you know in time in case I stick to good old YM,
which gives me the confidence I need to spare extra anxiety...:-)
A big hug,
Rita

--- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Almeida d'Eca"
<tmvaz@m...> wrote:
> Dear Rita,
>
> You can also stick to YM, if necessary or more practical for you,
broadcast
> your presentation to the online group and one of us could record it
with
> Audacity.
>
> Just another option.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Teresa
>
>
> > I had meant to ask, Rita, will you be broadcasting your
presentation?
> > It would be a lot different experience if you were speaking TO
your
> > live online audience during your presentation.
> >
> > It might be awkward for you to manage doing that in YM, although
> > someone in your audience could handle getting people into the
> > conference that would accumulate while you talked, so that all in
the
> > conference could listen.
> > Let us know if you're interested in getting this deeply into
things.
> > You could always fall back on YM even if planning a more elaborate
> > online presentation.
> > Vance

Dear webbies,
I've just been reading "Calming the Fearful Mind: A Zen response to
Terrorism" by Thich Nhat Hanh, Parallax Press, Berkeley, CA, ISBN
1-888375-51-5 and in it I see much wisdom. He wrote the book in response to
a situation somewhat like Daf's at a US airport (sending Daf a big belated
hhhhhhuuuugggg of sympathy).
Some quotes:
"Our way of dealing with terrorism is taking us down a dangerous path of
distrust and fear. It is time to stop. Let us pause. It is time to seek true
strength and security. We cannot escape our interdependence with other
people, with other nations in the world."(p.9) The past posts on the list
lately seem to me to be Webbies showing the way forward! Way to go! One
world linked in a network of communication and light.
"America has the potential to listen to the suffering of her own people and
to remedy discrimination and injustice within. If you cannot listen to your
own people, your fellow citizens, how can you listen to and understand the
suffering in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Palestine?"p.23 Sort of think global
act local?
"America is suffering greatly. The destiny of a nation is too great to leave
to politicians alone. We need people who can listen with their whole heart,
who can listen as a human being and not just as a politician. We have to
select those leaders who know how to listen, even if they are not
well-known."p.19
Hmmmm, Webbies for president? Alternative Webbies Council: Ears for the
World?

"Across the globe, people suffer from very much the same things: social
injustice, discrimination, fear and fanaticism. Fundamentalism is very much
alive in countries around the world. Many people believe that they alone are
on the side of God, and they behave as if they are the only children of God
and the lives of others are not precious. They want God to bless their own
country above all, and not to bless others who they feel represent evil. But
to think that everything the other group does is evil, and everything we do
is good, prevents us from understanding the values of others, and from
recognizing their suffering and fear. Instead of making us stronger, our
unwillingness to listen keeps us vulnerable and afraid." (p.23) Methinks we
need to be careful of reproaching that Bush has got it all wrong
unilaterally, because he does represent the voice of some part of the
nation....a solution must involve ears for all...

"All violence is injustice. The fire of hatred and violence can not be
extinguished by adding more hatred and violence to the fire. The only
antidote to violence is compassion. And what is compassion made of? It is
made of understanding. When there is no understanding, how can we feel
compassion, how can we begin to relieve the great suffering that is there?
So understanding is the very real foundation upon which we build our
compassion.
How do we gain the understanding and insight to guide us through such
incredibly challenging moments that we now face in America? To understand we
must find paths of communication so that we can listen to those who
desperately are calling out for our understanding-because such an act of
violence is a desperate call for attention and for help." (p.106)
Trying to remember to breathe and connect with the deep centre,

Renata in japan, winking at Renata in Monasch ;)

At 10:26 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, dear all,
>
>Many thanks for your support and for your volunteering to say hi to
>the live audience on Sept 23. As I suspected, I got the news of a
>change in the allotted time for my presentation, now slotted at 11.30
>am GMT.

Rita - this now means I can join you. :)

- Michael.