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7615 James Rovira
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Nov 1, 2008
2:40 pm
My response to Applebaum's misguided reasoning in the article posted: First, it's ridiculous to think any mass media politic rhetoric will be anything but...
7616 mjankanish Offline Send Email Nov 2, 2008
2:46 am
I am interested in what people on this forum think of Senator Obama's plan to create a "Civilian force for national defense as large and well funded as the...
7617 fjjwagner Offline Send Email Nov 2, 2008
2:57 am
A bill to require compulsory public service failed in the US Senate by one vote. I believe the year was 1944 or 1945. Let us wait until Wednesday, November...
7618 billr54619@...
billyclayriggs Offline Send Email
Nov 2, 2008
1:18 pm
WIW - I think what this actually means is that an Obama Administration would shift priorities from disretionary spending on the military to civil agencies...
7619 Yitzhak Klein
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Nov 2, 2008
1:50 pm
Colleagues, When a politician declares the establishment of a defense force the first question I ask is, "who's the enemy?" A civilian defense force has the...
7620 James Rovira
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Nov 2, 2008
2:16 pm
If Mr. Riggs's post had to do with the -establishment- of a defense force, you might have a point. We already have an enormous defense force -- or rather, a...
7621 Larry Chappell
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Nov 2, 2008
4:07 pm
Senator Obama made his comments some months ago. Here is what he said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw He has made actual proposals such expanding...
7622 James Rovira
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Nov 2, 2008
4:40 pm
Mr. Chappell: Here's a link that includes a slightly bigger partial transcript of the speech, http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml which includes these...
7623 Larry Chappell
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Nov 2, 2008
5:08 pm
I did not post a transcript; I posted a speech. The words were indeed careless & a departure from the printed speech. So what? Who doesn't make off the cuff...
7624 James Rovira
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Nov 2, 2008
5:38 pm
I don't think it's always the product of playing gotcha -- it's partly the soundbyte character of US mass media political discourse. But, if you're concerned...
7625 Larry Chappell
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Nov 2, 2008
6:52 pm
I am not at all concerned to defend Obama or attack McCain. I agree (& I have said so on this list) that both are fairly typical politicians sounding high...
7626 mjankanish Offline Send Email Nov 2, 2008
7:00 pm
Mr. Chappell; Yes, the context is important. However, I am not more at ease if the meaning of a civilian security force relates to an "orwellian" network of...
7627 Matthias Riedl
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Nov 2, 2008
7:15 pm
Dear colleagues, It seems to be endlessly long ago that there happened any serious discussion of Eric Voegelin's work on this forum. But I think we reached the...
7628 Larry Chappell
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Nov 2, 2008
7:19 pm
The national service theme is very American. It goes back at least as far as William James's essay on the need for a "moral equivalent for war." I am only...
7629 James Rovira
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Nov 2, 2008
8:03 pm
Mr. Riedl: I'd be interested to see your analysis of other listmembers' posts, how you distinguish between doxa and logos within them, and to see how you can...
7630 fjjwagner Offline Send Email Nov 2, 2008
8:32 pm
Matthias Riedl insists on bringing Eric Voegelin into the discussion! What might Voegelin think of the current situation were he alive today? I don't know....
7631 William Riggs
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Nov 2, 2008
9:09 pm
Umm, being both contributor to and observer of all this, I could not be entirely unaware of selective noncompliance with Fritz's entreaty. But I would like to...
7632 Oakwoodwolf3@...
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Nov 2, 2008
11:57 pm
I would like to ask if "partisan" and "non partisan", as well as “extremist” and “moderate”, are scientific concepts or if, instead, they are more ...
7633 Zetesis
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Nov 3, 2008
12:33 am
I have much appreciated Dr. Rovira's political analysis of the Obama movement. But Mr. Wagner's catena of relevant quotations from Voegelin for us to ponder...
7634 Larry Chappell
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Nov 3, 2008
12:55 am
Doxa is a major symbol and theme in Plato. Its analysis and use requires great care -- greater care indeed than a few casual posts on a discussion list will...
7635 Larry Chappell
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Nov 3, 2008
1:19 am
"Partisan' is a perfectly serviceable term. I do not know if it is scientific, but it has good common sense uses. I think that there are all sorts of contexts...
7636 Oakwoodwolf3@...
olpdecarvalho Offline Send Email
Nov 3, 2008
1:35 am
Sorry for giving you a wrong impression. I was not refering specially to Mr. Chapman's post, I was asking a general question. Otherwise I would have quoted...
7637 Barry Cooper
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Nov 3, 2008
3:09 pm
Fyi. bc From: Mohamed Ibn Guadi [mailto:mguadi@...] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:51 PM To: Mohamed Ibn Guadi Subject: Laurent Murawiec - The Mind of...
7638 fjjwagner Offline Send Email Nov 3, 2008
3:53 pm
Flattering but hardly true. Those who have seen "Voegelin in Toronto" may recall Bernard Lonergan's discussion of reading and "a second apprehension," by...
7639 Matthias Riedl
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Nov 3, 2008
9:00 pm
Dear Mr. Rovira, dear colleagues, I apologize for the too general tone of my last remarks. I do by no means claim that I could make judgements from a...
7640 Zetesis
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Nov 3, 2008
9:12 pm
I respectfully ask Dr. Riedl to clarify this tantalizing statement: I think that Americans have good reasons to have more trust in the stability of their...
7641 James Rovira
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Nov 3, 2008
9:14 pm
Thank you for your response, Mr. Riedl - I regret mine made you feel an apology was necessary. What constitutes politics may be a necessary starting point...
7642 Jack Elliott
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Nov 3, 2008
10:20 pm
this recent article might be of interest: Meins G. S. Coetsier - Etty Hillesum and the Light of Faith: A Voegelinian Analysis /Modern Age...
7643 fjjwagner Offline Send Email Nov 4, 2008
2:34 am
Yes. The alternative to messianism in the US is: "Oh yeah? Talk's cheap. Put your money where your mouth is. Show me. All hat and no cattle? A day late and...
7644 fjjwagner Offline Send Email Nov 4, 2008
12:21 pm
Four years ago someone here expressed dismay that the voting process in Ohio took so long and went so late into the night, purportedly working to the...
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