The annual meeting of the Eric Voegelin Society concluded Sunday and I have just put up a page of photos for your enjoyment. The URL is:...
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S. Barret Dolph
white129@...
Sep 4, 2001 7:30 am
It was quite a pleasure to attend the conference in SF. I have managed to add much work to my already busy schedule as a result of the many discussions held...
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FMasingill@...
Sep 4, 2001 5:17 pm
In a message dated 9/4/01 1:12:18 AM Central Daylight Time, fwagner@... ... Thanks for the pictures, Fritz. They and the commentary accompanying them were...
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evonabele@...
Sep 5, 2001 1:00 am
I'd appreciate it if someone could identify this citation from Goethe, defining "apperçu" as the "sudden realization of what really underlies appearances"....
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Sep 5, 2001 3:49 pm
Erich: EV referenced Leibniz for this usage as I recall. It is a term that contrasts perception of sensory experience with the apperception/apprehension of...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 5, 2001 7:47 pm
I am reposting Jack Elliott's message of May 25th regarding the U. of Mo. sale on EV books. I ordered some books yesterday and the sale is still on until ...
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Richard Geldard
rgeldard@...
Sep 6, 2001 3:24 pm
One and All: In the aftermath, or perhaps afterglow, of the Thursday Voegelin Celebration, I wanted to respond to a general discussion (cut short alas) on the...
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Sep 6, 2001 4:22 pm
As far as I know the most potent statement by EV on substantive evil is in the Cambridge preface to POLITICAL RELIGIONS, given in English in CW5, p. 24. This...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 6, 2001 5:41 pm
I read the passages cited by Ellis and I am somewhat surprised. I would have thought Voegelin viewed evil as the result of a deprivation or defect alone. But...
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Bill McClain
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Sep 6, 2001 6:28 pm
... I don't have that book. The most relevant passage I can find is in the last paragraph in the Achaemenian Empire section of OH1: "The conversion, on the one...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 6, 2001 7:45 pm
Actually, the OED is useful here. The Chambers Cyclopedia Supplement of 1753 says: Adperception in the Leibnitzian style, denotes the act whereby the mind...
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Richard Geldard
rgeldard@...
Sep 6, 2001 7:57 pm
Thanks for these useful contributions. Elaine Pagels contends in her "Origin of Satan" that the vision of a cosmic struggle between good and evil was the...
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FMasingill@...
Sep 6, 2001 8:02 pm
In a message dated 9/6/01 10:28:05 AM Central Daylight Time, ... I cannot conceive of Voegelin "wrestling with the devil" in his study or anywhere else. The...
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Sep 6, 2001 8:24 pm
Bill: When God talks to Moses out of the thornbush I call that supernatural, for example. I don't see EV contradicting or down-playing that as authentic ...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 6, 2001 8:56 pm
... One of the participants in the Pizzakreis raised the question of whether Voegelin accepted the possibility of miracles or only considered them as examples...
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Mark Theodoropoulos
mtheo@...
Sep 7, 2001 7:07 am
... Good news: the papers presented at the Eric Voegelin Society meeting are freely available through the APSA's web-based "PROceedings" project. The site is...
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Bill McClain
wmcclain@...
Sep 7, 2001 9:29 am
... Sure, but those things occur in human consciousness and human beings cause the historical consequences. By "supernatural" and "miraculous" I meant such...
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Charles Embry
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Sep 7, 2001 12:00 pm
I don't know if EV ever wrestled with the devil. I don't see why it should be precluded however. There is, of course, a problem with what does "wrestling...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 7, 2001 2:14 pm
Adam and Eve, the temptation, and the fall constitute a complex of mythic symbols that explains our tendency to do evil and our inability to be free of that...
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Bill McClain
wmcclain@...
Sep 7, 2001 3:26 pm
... I'm not sure I follow. That myth has been abolished. To be effective, a myth would have to be more than an instructive fable, but a tale that we really...
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Sep 7, 2001 3:44 pm
Papers from last year's EVS meeting are on our web site- http://ericvoegelin.org/ Papers from last week's meeting will be up fairly shortly. Stay tuned. Ellis...
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Sep 7, 2001 4:40 pm
Bill: We cannot assimilate "science" to physics, etc., as the paradigm. This is the root of the problem in this discussion, I think. (cf. NSP, intro.) The...
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Charles Embry
charles_embry@...
Sep 7, 2001 6:05 pm
Adding to Professor Sandoz's last posting. In his essay, "Voegelin: Philsopher of Divine Presence," in _Eric Voegelin's Significance for the Modern Mind_...
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evonabele@...
Sep 8, 2001 7:44 pm
I ask this knowing nothing about Kant: Would it be simplistic, or even inaccurate, to say that Kant's epistemology reflected a) a loss of the experience of...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 8, 2001 8:13 pm
... I don't remember where I read it in Voegelin's work, but I seem to recall that he says that the various symbolizations continue to co-exist EVEN AFTER the...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 9, 2001 6:29 pm
Nathan Harter said he expected a complete report on San Francisco. Well, I don't think he will get THAT, but he will get something. In the next few days I will...
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FMasingill@...
Sep 10, 2001 12:41 pm
In reading "What May People Be Allowed to Know" an essay of Voegelin's in CW9, _Published Essays_, I saw this statement on page 118: "...during the war...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 10, 2001 2:09 pm
The Pizzakreis hosted an all day long conversation about EV on Thursday, August 30th, the day before the American Political Science Association (APSA) convened...
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Jack D. Elliott, Jr.
jde3@...
Sep 10, 2001 4:30 pm
See comment below. ... For financial reasons I was unable to attend this year's meeting, so, much to my regret, I missed these films. Is there anyway that...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Sep 10, 2001 8:20 pm
The sentence in question says: One might say furthermore that during times in which the community is not seriously endangered, the space for knowledge enjoys...
