I understand and appreciate the point made below. Regarding deification of man, it is a foundational doctrine to classical Christianity. . I think this is...
I should add that in classical Christian texts on deification (virtually every patristic sermon), the erotic tension of existence in the metaxy is preserved....
How does this work for people whose language doesn't have this structure. For example in Chinese we say something like "Today has rain" If you said it is ...
S. Barret Dolph
wheds8@...
Aug 1, 2004 3:19 pm
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In a message dated 8/1/2004 10:19:46 AM Central Daylight Time, wheds8@... writes: How does this work for people whose language doesn't have this...
FMasingill@...
Aug 1, 2004 3:34 pm
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I don't know if this will help Mr. Rovira feel more comfortable with propositions barring propositional metaphysics or not, but here are some thoughts and...
(this message is actually about what the subject line announces) Dear Colleagues, thanks for your advice. Having done some reading I believe my Whitehead guess...
It is the "keeping language clean" part that puzzles me. Of course, Chinese is quite a pagan language and some things don't come through clearly. Most Chinese...
S. Barret Dolph
wheds8@...
Aug 1, 2004 6:09 pm
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Mr. Bill R. wrote: ... I see two concepts at tension here: God being consciousness itself (so we don't objectify God) vs. an appropriate distinction between...
Mr. Jones, What you say is very important. ... This is also an answer to the issue in the thread entitled "propositional metaphysics". For me, there is no...
Mr. Pagnan: the place to begin is always by understanding those whom you disagree with. No one has said anything about consciousness being consciousness "of a...
It's an institutional problem. I ran a small higher educational institution for a short while using a Great Books curriculum, except that our teachers took...
You might try reading Gian-Carlo Rota. He was a mathematician and phenomenologist. His writings are also very clear and witty. Cordially, S. Barret Dolph...
S. Barret Dolph
wheds8@...
Aug 2, 2004 5:00 pm
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... A dis-analogy in this analogy, is that in making a machine, a physical human being as efficient cause moves material resources to make the machine, while...
Mr. Jackson: that was a very good, useful (to me) post. Forgive me for taking so long to reply. But here it is. First, I think a distinction needs to be...
Voegelin does not argue that propositions are invalid, just because they are propositions. He argues that propositional truth indeed has validity, but when...
Mr. Rovira, Phew! You are working hard to come up with your posts. I get tired just reading them. Now consider these points: 1) truth is not expressed in words...
Mr. Pagnon wrote Now there is a bad habit among globally irrelevant modern tenured thinkers who are preoccupied with questions that inevitably reduce every ...
S. Barret Dolph
wheds8@...
Aug 4, 2004 2:30 pm
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1. It has become apparent lately that there are some members who enjoy posting to this listserve at length who have not read Voegelin and feel under no...
My responses were not all that great for a variety of reasons, and I am coping with annoying computer problems now -- so my lucidity has not grown. Let me try...
I wrote a long response at the earthlink website and it sent my old draft rather than the new stuff I wrote. Ignore the stuff I sent. I have just recovered...
This is my second attempt to reply to Mr. Rovira’s excellent criticisms and queries concerning my earlier posts. I hope my memory and my computer do not fail...
My thanks to Mr. Chappell for an excellent, sweeping summary. One thing notable is that each line of inquiry raises new lines of inquiry. But two questions...
Thanks very much for the long, detailed post, Mr. Chappell (and yes, it is true, reading long posts like that IS work). I've read it and now have to spend some...
I also want to thank Mr. Chappell for his excellent post. I'm happy he found the time and patience to offer it. I was going to make an effort to answer some...
Concerning the long post of Mr. Chappell, I would offer the following not as a criticism nor as a corrective of any kind, but only as a suggestion of another...
I would appreciate it if any listmembers could tell me which Plato Dialogue it is that Voegelin cites as containing the idea that humans live a kind of...
Mr. Jones, EV would have agreed with your observation that it is outright dangerous to study complex ideas, especially philosophy and theology, in the absence...
I just wish to clarify that I was not intending to respond critically to Mr. Chappel's summary of Voegelin and reference to pathos as the practical ground of...
Mr. Pagnon wrote .... Regardless, one of the great old philological principles was that one does not interpret the works of one author by the works of...
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