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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:41 pm
Home from Rome and tired but happy. It was more of a pilgrimage than anything. We visited the great basilicas and the little chapels in Rome, Sienna and...
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FMasingill@...
Apr 2, 2001 6:03 pm
In a message dated 4/2/01 8:42:29 AM Central Daylight Time, fwagner@... ... My only visit to Rome was a week's rest during my time of being stationed in...
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Erich M. von Abele
evonabele@...
Apr 12, 2001 12:28 am
Hello all: I've just joined the Voegelin forum. I have many questions about Voegelin, but for now I'll limit myself to one. I would much appreciate if any one...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 12, 2001 2:15 am
I am not aware of anything EV wrote which addresses your question regarding Bergson's criticism of Einstein. Ellis Sandoz would know for certain. I rather...
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Erich M. von Abele
evonabele@...
Apr 12, 2001 6:38 pm
Another question I've long had is how to flesh out what EV meant when he said -- in a volume I read back in 85 whose title I forgot but might have been...
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severian73@...
Apr 14, 2001 2:51 am
... meant when he ... might have I'm sorry if my memory is a little rusty, but I was quite knowledgeable on the subject about a decade ago so, from what I can...
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evonabele@...
Apr 14, 2001 5:50 am
Thanks for your interesting reply. "When you get to the problem of the concept of a second person of the Trinity/Logos/Human Being/Begotten then you arrive at ...
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severian73@...
Apr 15, 2001 1:04 am
... ****Well Thankyou!!!!**** I suspect that for Voegelin, ultimately, Jesus was no more than a ... by saying ... man **** I have real problems with this...
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FMasingill@...
Apr 15, 2001 9:09 am
I wonder if anybody might have at hand a summary of the references to _The Cloud of Unknowing_ in the Collected Works and would be willing to post same here?...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 15, 2001 1:37 pm
Buona Pasqua, Frank! One place is Conversations with Eric Voegelin, IV, pp. 142-144, where he says: You can see best what you call today's craze for Eastern...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 15, 2001 3:58 pm
Buona Pasqua tutti! It seems especially fitting that Voegelin's Christology should become a subject of inquiry this Easter weekend. Erich von Abele asks the...
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FMasingill@...
Apr 15, 2001 4:54 pm
In a message dated 4/15/01 10:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time, fwagner@... ... I can only say a hearty "AMEN" to that, Fritz. Every Voegelin should have his...
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Bill McClain
wmcclain@...
Apr 15, 2001 9:59 pm
... He also cites it in his letter to Alfred Schuetz, September 17, 1943, which is reproduced in: Emberley, Peter, and Barry Cooper (translators and eds.),...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 15, 2001 10:54 pm
I have downloaded the "Cloud." I note this is a Calvin College site and it appears they have put on line for copying a huge library of religious classics from...
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 1:33 am
Severian wrote: "if this [that Jesus was, despite what the Councils deny, ONLY a great divinely inspired prophet] is the ... Jesus was a theomaniac..." I'm not...
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 3:02 am
Prof. Wagner: I just spent a solid hour writing a response and developing my question about Voegelin and the Creed (with quotes from "Jesus and Man's Hope" and...
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Martin Pagnan
mpagnan@...
Apr 16, 2001 3:37 am
It must not be forgotten that EV accepted Jesus as an authority in matters of the spirit. It is Voegelin who was most clear that for Christ to recognise Grace...
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 4:43 am
Martin: I wasn't implying that EV had docetic tendencies, but rather that orthodoxy itself cannot avoid them insofar as orthodoxy persists in taking...
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Charles Embry
charles_embry@...
Apr 16, 2001 1:59 pm
Folks, Could senders of messages please sign their messages? Nothing is giving me the persons who are talking. Thank you. Charles R. Embry ... Charles R....
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 2:56 pm
Mr. Embry: Being new to this forum, and being fairly computer-illiterate, when on my first couple of posts my full name "Erich M. von Abele" automatically...
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Frederick Wagner
fwagner@...
Apr 16, 2001 3:19 pm
... I am a little rusty on this but I think you have to subscribe before you can post. Instructions for subscribing are given at this Voegelin Institute...
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 4:06 pm
I am slowly learning how to find my way around various aspects of the Net, and one question I have had is how to get a hold of "Conversations with EV" -- so I...
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evonabele@...
Apr 16, 2001 5:04 pm
Also, one could say that Voegelin knew enough to recognize greatness in Nietzche (just as, for example, Genghis Khan was great compared with, say, the...
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M.W. Poirier
poirmw@...
Apr 16, 2001 8:51 pm
... Well, I am not certain of this. I seem to recall the importance of the phrase that affirmed that Jesus is "true God and true man." Would I be mistaken in...
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maxim faust
tsumix@...
Apr 16, 2001 9:37 pm
Hoping for a response: ... I have met this issue before and am following closely. I exercise what I cannot but judge to be a very simplistic view. Yet it...
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evonabele@...
Apr 17, 2001 2:51 am
Mr. Poirier: "I seem to recall the importance of the phrase that affirmed that Jesus is "true God and true man." " But what does the 100% + 100% formula mean...
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evonabele@...
Apr 17, 2001 3:02 am
Maxim: I'm not sure one can distinguish theology from philosophy; is not such a distinction a symptom of the false dichotomy of "faith vs. reason" Voegelin...
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Rhydon Jackson
rhydon@...
Apr 17, 2001 12:43 pm
I remembering reading somewhere that Bergson eventually decided his difficulties with Einstein's theories were due to his own misunderstanding. At least, I...
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Martin Pagnan
mpagnan@...
Apr 17, 2001 3:31 pm
Dear Mr. von Abele, ... When I read that I shuttered. Since you indicate that you are new to the internet, let me pass on some observations of an old hand. My...
