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2352 FMasingill@... Send Email Jul 7, 2004
4:18 pm
Have any of you read Hanks, _Christ as Criminal_? I mention it both because I've just become aware of it and because Donald, as a colleague for many years...
2353 Owen Jones
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Jul 8, 2004
4:28 pm
The attached link might lead one to infer that galaxies are like people. They arrive fully developed. It might also imply that the Darwinian model of...
2354 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 12, 2004
3:40 pm
Gentlemen, There was a time during which I would pounce on anything that appeared to be even remotely different from what EV believed. I knew EV. I liked EV....
2355 G Ellis Sandoz
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Jul 12, 2004
3:54 pm
I have been re-reading AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL REFLECTIONS and preparing it for inclusion in vol. 34 of the COLLECTED WORKS. Chapter 22 is particularly therapeutic...
2356 Frederick Wagner
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Jul 12, 2004
5:57 pm
The newest listmembers may not know that Mr. Pagnan occasionally displays a mordant sense of humor. Fritz Wagner...
2357 Daniel Knauss
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Jul 13, 2004
4:11 am
Is anyone on the list familiar with Robert P. Kraynak? A friend sent me notice if a book by Kraynak today ...
2358 FMasingill@... Send Email Jul 13, 2004
12:58 pm
In a message dated 7/12/2004 12:59:23 PM Central Daylight Time, fjw@... writes: The newest listmembers may not know that Mr. Pagnan occasionally displays a...
2359 James Rovira
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Jul 13, 2004
1:19 pm
Thank you for this information. I laughed when I read his post. Then looked at it again. Then started to doubt. Then laughed again. Now, I'm just laughing....
2360 S. Barret Dolph
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Jul 13, 2004
4:06 pm
Although I am all for reprinting books by EV. I really can't see the optimism for expecting his works to be read. And if they are read how will they be read....
2361 Daniel Knauss
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Jul 13, 2004
4:56 pm
I agree with Mr. Dolph except when it comes to the young. They are more open to being corrupted by EV. I think especially of the large numbers of 'upwardly...
2362 Harter, Nathan W
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Jul 13, 2004
4:57 pm
I have always held the belief that spreading the word about the work of Eric Voegelin is good, notwithstanding the risks of misunderstanding, bowdlerizing, and...
2363 Frederick Wagner
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Jul 13, 2004
5:17 pm
Apropos of Mr. Dolph's skepticism about paperbacks being read: "I always say that this department is proof that the paperbacks have no cultural influence...
2364 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 13, 2004
6:10 pm
... Ah, you Americans! For all your Constitutions and Declarations, you have missed the most important truth: That the Creator has granted mankind...
2365 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 13, 2004
6:13 pm
... This is too kind. However, now that you let me know, I will never write it, for fear that doing so might leave us without your charms. I am sure that Paul...
2366 G Ellis Sandoz
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Jul 13, 2004
6:43 pm
The best short accessible book (in my opinion) for a beginning Voegelin reader is his AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL REFLECTIONS--still in print at Missouri in a cheap...
2367 Owen Jones
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Jul 13, 2004
6:48 pm
There is a natural desire to search for origins of things, particularly when the present day is confusing and disordered. When the time comes when enough...
2368 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 13, 2004
10:33 pm
... Probably so, but there is a larger context, a different context. Just as it is impossible for a physicist to understand relativity without understanding...
2369 James Rovira
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Jul 13, 2004
11:09 pm
Mr. Pagnan -- Could you expand a bit on one facet of this very good post? Around the middle of the post you listed existentialism as one of the deformities...
2370 Frederick Wagner
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Jul 14, 2004
12:16 am
EV was a great admirer of Camus. When one talks about "existentialism" one must be careful about what (and who) one is talking about. As an instrument for...
2371 G Ellis Sandoz
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Jul 14, 2004
12:50 am
Mr. Pagnan's comment on contexts is relevant, and it applies to understanding anything. The principal value of commencing a study of EV with AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL...
2372 Larry Chappell
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Jul 14, 2004
1:44 am
There is a difference between people who describe themselves as existentialists and those who get analytically grouped as existentialists. I once heard...
2373 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 14, 2004
2:35 am
To all, This last weekend I put out my back. I found out the hard way that we older guys can no longer move stones and shovel gravel to fix patios like we used...
2374 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 14, 2004
3:57 am
Mr. Rovira, In the 1950's and 60's there lived a beastie known as a "Beatnik". Unlike the "Hippies" of the 70's, they have been forgotten, and intentionally, I...
2375 Frederick Wagner
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Jul 14, 2004
12:25 pm
I received last night a paper from a listmember and I have only started to read it; but it has put me in mind of a new animated cartoon viewable on the...
2376 James Rovira
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Jul 14, 2004
1:47 pm
Thanks very much to Mr. Wagner, Mr. Chappell (and I would love to see a copy of that manuscript. I can read MS Word and WordPerfect), and Mr. Pagnan for their...
2377 Jack Elliott
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Jul 14, 2004
2:14 pm
Last night I was browsing through the July 4 issue of the Catholic weekly OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, when I found myself in the middle of an interview pertaining to...
2378 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 14, 2004
2:37 pm
... Larry, Excellent. If EV had a fault, it was that he spent little time in gutters. Europeans, especially Germans, have a social stratum that demands that...
2379 Larry Chappell
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Jul 14, 2004
2:51 pm
Hannah Arendt was in America because she was fleeing from Nazi Tyranny. I do not think she taught a course on existentialism. She taught a wide variety of...
2380 Martin Pagnan
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Jul 14, 2004
8:24 pm
... Yes, Larry, you have correctly identified more of EV's faults. That he would imagine that modern milleniarists inherit from Johachim de Flora or that...
2381 Larry Chappell
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Jul 14, 2004
9:58 pm
I sit here getting drunk as usual preparing for my daily cocktail party and listening to John Cage while I wonder who the Hell John Case is. Looks like he...
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