Many thanks to Mr. Jones for his timely and needed comments. I think it is important to recall that EV was a political philosopher not a theologian, and in...
I may be misunderstanding, Mr. Stille, but it seems to me that the position outlined by Mr. Jones did indeed reflect a good deal on the content of "salvation"...
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FMasingill@...
Dec 1, 2003 7:28 pm
I have asked this question before but am not ashamed to ask it again. On several occasions Voegelin refers to Whitehead's "fallacy of misplaced concreteness."...
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prblum@...
Dec 1, 2003 8:26 pm
Colleagues, to give a concrete example for a misplaced concreteness is tricky. However, I may direct you to the source: Whitehead uses the term in his ...
Mr. Jones, Thank you. You have put down on paper what I have been rolling around in my head for these past 30 years and more when, as a 22 year old, I first...
Well, there is this from Vol 24 CW: ". . . . The obliteration of the substance of nature through the propositions of mathematized science that could still be...
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FMasingill@...
Dec 1, 2003 10:00 pm
While I await somebody's clearer explanation of Whitehead's "fallacy of misplaced concreteness" to which Voegelin referred more than once, I'll pose another...
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Larry Chappell
larchap@...
Dec 1, 2003 11:18 pm
The fallacy of misplaced concreteness is treating an abstraction as if it were an entity -- what is also known as "reification." Kipling misplaces concreteness...
I am constantly trying to break college students from this habit. In their papers, "society" is always doing something. -Dan Knauss On Mon, 01 Dec 2003...
Frank, In modern western philosophy the term "concrete" entered most forcefully into philosophical parlance not because of Whitehead but because of Hegel....
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Larry Chappell
larchap@...
Dec 2, 2003 5:09 am
I hope there is an English translation of this. I would be pleased to see it. It does not appear to have any relationship to anything Whitehead (or Kant) ever...
Dear Mr. Rovira, One might accuse me of having an Eastern Orthodox bias, much as one may dismiss someone as being a "Platonist." But all I am really trying to...
Thanks once again for a thoughtful reply, Mr. Jones. I might "accuse" someone of being a Platonist, but would compliment them on being "Eastern Orthodox" --...
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Juergen Gebhardt
jngebhar@...
Dec 3, 2003 8:43 pm
The gentlemen ignored each other - at least in public Habermas considers Voegelin a reactionary neoaristotelian and Voegelin thought him a stupid marxist...
There is also an essay by Gadamer on Strauss and Voegelin in the Strauss-Voegelin Correspondence (eds., Peter Emberley & Barry Cooper, Penn State Press, 1993)....
Voegelin writes about religion in EA. He writes that it was the genius of the Cicero to understand that in lieu of the forces of disintegration against a ...
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Juergen Gebhardt
jngebhar@...
Dec 3, 2003 10:35 pm
John rightly points to Gadamer's essay in the Strauss-Voegelin- Correspondence. However, Gadamer deals in fact mainly with Strauss in continuation of a debate...
Professor Thomas Hollweck kindly forwarded to me some notes he has kept on Whitehead's "fallacy of misplaced concreteness." One can see where EV borrowed...
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Larry Chappell
larchap@...
Dec 4, 2003 2:13 am
Many thanks to Professor Thomas Hollweck via Frederick Wagner for giving some context to both Whitehead and Voegelin's appropriation of his phrase, "the...
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FMasingill@...
Dec 4, 2003 3:10 am
My copy of _Autobiographical Reflections_ had been misplaced for several weeks -- perhaps even a few months. I had considered giving up and ordering a ...
The information is available. The Price Bibliography has everything—EVERYTHING—laid out in chronological order. It also lays things out according to...
I cannot answer this very well. Matthew Steenberg of Oxford and of monachos.net would do a much better job. However, I think it is fair to day that in...
Recently at this site someone asked the question whether EV had used the word "sphere" to describe the political "sphere" as opposed to the Church "sphere". I...
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G Ellis Sandoz
esandoz@...
Dec 4, 2003 5:17 pm
While not comprehensive like Price's work, my VOEGELINIAN REVOLUTION (2nd. ed.; Transaction, 2000) lists Works by Eric Voegelin 1922-1981, before the Index....
My goodness! in Digest #495 we're talking about Voegelin and religion and in #496 there's a new subject and we're talking about Gadamer, Habermas and ...
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FMasingill@...
Dec 4, 2003 7:39 pm
In a message dated 12/4/2003 1:04:38 PM Central Standard Time, MaconBoczek@... writes: I am new at this and I see one has to be quick and alert to get into...
It's interesting that Voegelin, to my knowledge, really did not focus on the problem of authority, as such. Instead, he looked at language, myth, symbols,...
Mr. Jones, 1) "Authority" is a word that has about 15 dictionary definitions. For example, it might mean "the expert cited to support a decision", a ...
Forgive me for my lack of precision, but I was using the term "the problem of authority" not in a negative sense, as in "I have a problem with your authority...
