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#3325 From: "9250" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:37 am
Subject: PalTalk Study 3:15 PM CT Saturday
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Shalom all,

Each week and through Channukah we will be teaching each Sabbath from 3:15 PM
Central Time until about 5:00 to 5:30 PM on Channukah and the Maccabees.

We will meets via PalTalk: http://www.paltalk.com in the BeitNetzarim room.
(BeitNetzarim is supposed to be one word). This room will be in the "Religion
and Spirituality" category and "Christianity" sub-category each Sabbath
(Saturday) at 3:00 PM Central Time. (Unfortunately the "Judaism" sub-category
creates too much disruption
with anti-missionaries disrupting the room.)

In the coming weeks we will be teaching from each of the four books of the
Maccabees, Judith and other Scriptures which pertain to Channukah.

Did you know that the Channukah story is a very accurate picture of the last
days?

Wherever you are in the world, come study with us online each Saturday at 3:15
Central Time.

If you are in the Dallas / Fort Worth area, come join us at 3:00 PM at 348
Arcadia; Hurst, TX 76053.

If you have a copy of the apocrypha, especially one with all four books of the
Maccabees (some editions only have 1 &2 Maccabees) have it handy.

#3324 From: "9250" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: The Lost Gospel according to the Hebrews
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The Gospel According to the Hebrews is a "lost" apocryphal Gospel used anciently
by the ancient Nazarenes and Ebionites. While no copies of this document have
survived, much of it has survived in about fifty quotations and citations from
it made by various ancient sources. Using these materials and other information
at our disposal, we have reconstructed the complete text (at least as complete
as we can have it at this date).

Barnes wrote:

…the Gospel according to the Hebrews by its very title claims
an authority equal to, if not actually greater than, that of the
four which eventually received the approval of the Church.
(A. S. Barnes; The Gospel according to the Hebrews;
Journal of Theological Studies 6 (1905) p. 361)

And Schonfield writes:

The Gospel according to the Hebrews is a literary outlaw with a
price on its head; but in spite of the scholarly hue and cry it
still evades capture. Neither monastic libraries nor Egyptian
rubbish heaps have so far yielded up a single leaf of this important
document....

For behind Hebrews lies the unknown potentialities of the Nazarene
tradition, which may confirm or contradict some of the most
cherished beliefs of Orthodox Christianity. It is useless for
certain theologians to designate Hebrews as "secondary" on the
evidence of the present fragmentary remains preserved in
quotation. ...

Judged by ancient testimony alone it is indisputable that Hebrews
has the best right of any Gospel to be considered a genuine
apostolic production;...

Here is obviously a most valuable witness, perhaps the most valuable
witness to the truth about [Yeshua] whom even a jury composed
entirely of orthodox Christians could not despise, and who ought to
be brought into court. But the witness is missing, and all that we
have is a few reported statements of his taken long ago...
(Hugh Schonfield; According to the Hebrews; 1937; pp. 13-18)

The appearance to Ya'akov (James), ...is not mentioned elsewhere in
the New Testament but is reported in one of the apocryphal books,
the Gospel according to the Hebrews...
(Jewish New Testament Commentary by David Stern 1Cor. 15:7)

To my knowledge this is the first complete reconstruction of the text:

http://www.lulu.com/nazarene

As some of you know, the original Jewish Believers in Yeshua (the
Nazarenes) used an apocryphal Gospel known as B'SORAH HA-EVRIM:
The Goodnews according to the Hebrews.

Eusebius wrote of this Gospel in the fourth century:

"the especial delight of those of the Hebrews who have accepted
Messiah"
(Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 3:25:5)

And Jerome referred (again in the fourth century) to it as:

"the Gospel which the Nazarenes and Ebionites use"
(Jerome; On Mat. 12:13)

This Gospel has been lost for centuries but has finally been restored!

Finally a complete flowing text of the Gospel according to the
Hebrews is available... for the first time in centuries and for the
first time ever in English.

This Gospel was used by the ancient Nazarenes and Ebionites.
Scholars have long recognized the profound importance of this
document. I t has been lost for centuries, but has finally been reconstructed
from ancient source documents.

This edition includes:

* Several pages of introductory material including evidence that
B'sorah HaEvrim is the original source behind Matthew, Mark, Luke
and even John.

* A complete flowing text, 29 chapters including many events absent
from our four canonical gospels.

* An appendix with all of the primary citations by "Church Fathers"
listed out and cited in English and in most cases also giving those
citations in either the Greek or Latin in which the given "Church
Father" wrote.

* A Nazarene commentary on the B'sorah Ha'Evrim.

B'sorah HaEvrim
The Goodnews according to the Hebrews

#3323 From: "baalshemtau" <baalshemtau@...>
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: Do I understand this correctly?
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Shalom;

your proposed Perspective of the Ancient Essenes has been discarded by scholars
with recent research in the three types of Judaisms that existed in the
intertestament period. There was a Religio-Philosophical Association of Sects
that we today call "Essenes" of which the Qumran Sect was associated. This
Association had its center in Damascus. For the Early Church started by Jesus
and His Disciples were part if this Association as Nazarenes; there were others
of this Association; called Therapeutea, Nazarites as John the baptist was. For
this why Paul as a Pharisee went to Damascus to arrest the leaders what he
viewed as a Heretical Judaism we know as Essene Judaism. Josephus states at that
time there existed three forms of Judaism; Pharisee, Saducee and Essene.
Rabbinical Judaism has decendant from Pharisee Judaism while the other two have
gone extinct among the Jews.


Shalom
Baashemtau
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--- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "nazgno" <nazgno@...> wrote:
>
> Shalom  all,
>      The ancient Essenes were primarly a group that more or less stayed to
themselves and cared for the own brotherhood. They sought not to participate in
a political life nor to concern themselves with such things. They sought after
G*D and tried to live their life in the right path as they understood it. They
viewed oath taking in a strict sense and opposed "praying" to the earthly
"Theos" for benefits. They viewed their religion as caring for each other and
not subjecting themselves willfully to any "earthly" authority.
>      If my understanding is correct, I am wondering why I am seeing more and
more modern "Essenes or Nazarenes" making comments of a more political nature?
That is such as using terms such as liberal or conservative in a negative light.
This being the same as taking a political stance, is it not? Peace! Dennis
Tackett.
>

#3322 From: "9250" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: The "Lost" Original Hebrew Matthew
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On August 12th, 1553, at the petition of Pietro, Cardinal Caraffa, the
Inquisitor General, Pope Julius III signed a decree banning the Talmud in Rome.
The decree was executed on September 9th (Rosh HaShanna) and anything that
looked like the Talmud, that is, anything written in Hebrew characters was
confiscated as the Jewish homes and synagogues were ravished. Jean DuTillet,
Bishop of Brieu, France was visiting Rome at the time. DuTillet was astounded to
take notice of a Hebrew manuscript of Matthew among the other Hebrew
manuscripts. DuTillet acquired the manuscript and returned to France, depositing
it in the Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris. It remains there to this day as Hebrew
ms. No. 132.

While most scholars have ignored the DuTillet Hebrew version of Matthew, Hugh
Schonfield stated his opinion that this Hebrew text underlies our current Greek
text. Schonfield writes:

....certain linguistic proofs ... seem to show that the Hebrew
text [DuTillet] underlies the Greek, and that certain
renderings in the Greek, may be due to a misread Hebrew
original.
(An Old Hebrew Text of St. Matthew's Gospel; 1927, p. 17)

Now available from WNAE for the first time in ten years:

The Goodnews according to Matthew from an old Hebrew Manuscript (The DuTillet
Text) Third Edition
With Hebrew and English translation of facing pages.

http://www.lulu.com/nazarene

The "lost" Hebrew Version of Matthew.

#3321 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 6:39 am
Subject: Way International Seeks to Ban Bible by Suing Jewish Group
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From the moderator, Please pass this story along:

The Way International Seeks to Ban Bible by Suing Jewish Group
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23574/hebraic-roots-version

#3320 From: "nazgno" <nazgno@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:36 pm
Subject: Do I understand this correctly?
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Shalom  all,
      The ancient Essenes were primarly a group that more or less stayed to
themselves and cared for the own brotherhood. They sought not to participate in
a political life nor to concern themselves with such things. They sought after
G*D and tried to live their life in the right path as they understood it. They
viewed oath taking in a strict sense and opposed "praying" to the earthly
"Theos" for benefits. They viewed their religion as caring for each other and
not subjecting themselves willfully to any "earthly" authority.
      If my understanding is correct, I am wondering why I am seeing more and
more modern "Essenes or Nazarenes" making comments of a more political nature?
That is such as using terms such as liberal or conservative in a negative light.
This being the same as taking a political stance, is it not? Peace! Dennis
Tackett.

#3319 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:57 pm
Subject: Understanding Paul Intensive Seminar
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Understanding Paul Intensive Seminar

Paul is almost certainly the most misunderstood author in the Scriptures.
Finally, there is a book that sets straight many of the misunderstandings of
Paul, even some of those circulating in the Messianic, Two House and Sacred Name
movements.

In order to grasp the confusion surrounding the understanding of Paul, let us
examine five verses as they appear in the King James Version.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
(James 2:24)

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his
sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
(Romans 3:20)

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law
shall be justified.)
(Romans 2:13)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of
Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified
by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the
law shall no flesh be justified.
(Galatians 2:16)

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is
written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written
in the book of the law to do them.
(Galatians 3:10)

OK, so we are justified by works and not by faith only, but by deeds of the law
no flesh shall be justified, but doers of the law are justified, yet a man is
not justified by works of the law however those who are of the works of the law
are under a curse but we are cursed if we don't keep the law either. Oy vey!

There is no wonder people have a problem understanding Paul.

Come join us at the Understanding Paul Seminar.
To be held in Hurst Texas (in the Dallas/Fort Worth Area)
We have a location picked but have not reserved it yet. When it is reserved we
will post it.
LIMITED SEATING (No more than 35 to 40 people can be accommodated)
Sept. 25, 26 & 27 – Note that the 27th in the evening is the beginning of Yom
Kippur on the Rabbinic Calendar.

When you have finished this seminar you will understand that all of the above
statements are true and they do not actually contradict each other.

In this seminar I will show that the NT itself tells us that Paul's teachings
were hard to understand, misunderstood and twisted even in his time. We will
look at what Paul actually said and seeking to understand what he really meant.
We will look at some commonly misunderstood passages including Gal. 4:21-5:2 and
apply Jewish
Hermeneutics to see what this passage is actually saying (you may be surprised).
In the book shows that Paul was actually a powerful Torah advocate.  We will
look at every verse of every book Paul wrote.

The intent of this seminar is to go line by line through the teachings of Paul
both from the original Hebrew and Aramaic, and from the Greek version. This
leaves no part of Paul left to be misunderstood. No part of Paul will go
uncovered. Participants will receive a three ring binder with outlines, handouts
and notes and have direct access to Dr. Trimm throughout the seminar. This
seminar will have limited seating and is especially intended to raise funds for
WNAE as we face financial short falls. As such we are asking participants to
donate $200.00 to WNAE. We are willing to hold this Seminar for as few as three
people, and are planning on no more that 35 or 40. If there is a larger response
then we can and will accommodate a larger group.

Preliminary Seminar Schedule

Friday
9-12 AM Understanding Romans Part 1
12-1 PM Lunch
1-3 PM Understanding Romans Part 2
3-4 PM Break
4-6 PM Understanding Galatians
6-7 PM Dinner
7-9 PM Understanding 1Corinthians

Saturday
9-12 AM Understanding 2Corinthians
12-1 PM Lunch
1-3 PM Understanding Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians
3-4 PM Break
4-6 PM Understanding Hebrews Part 1
6-7 PM Dinner
7-9 PM Understanding Hebrews Part 2

Sunday
9-12 AM Understanding 1 & 2 Thessalonians
12-1 PM Lunch
1-3 PM Understanding 1st and 2nd Timothy, Titus and Philemon
3-4 PM Question and Answer Session

To register for this Seminar email cleartruth@...
That's cleartruth "at" yahoo.com

(FLASH: We are expanding this schedule to include "Introduction to Paul"
teaching, Sunday's session will last until 9:00 PM).

#3318 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:54 am
Subject: How the HRV NT Improves Understanding
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The Hebraic Roots Version (http://www.lulu.com/nazarene) (now in print for eight
years! Revised E-version now avaiable) (which began as the Semitic New Testament
Project) was the result of a ten year project to produce a new and accurate
translation of the New Testament taken primarily from old Hebrew and Aramaic
sources. Unlike most translations this edition is not rooted in a Greek
Hellenistic text. Instead this translation will seek to understand the text of
the New Testament from the languages in which it was originally written. This is
important because there are some passages in the NT which do not make sense at
all in Greek, but only begin to make sense when we look at them in Hebrew and
Aramaic.


Acts 11:27-30

And in these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. Then one of
them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was
going to be a great famine throughout all THE WORLD, which also
happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. Then the talmidim, each
according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brothers
dwelling IN JUDEA. This they also did, and sent it to the elders by
the hands of Barnabas and Saul.


Now this doesn't make sense at all, why would those in Antioch send
relief to those dwelling IN JUDEA if the famine was to strike all THE
WORLD. They would be facing famine themselves.

The Jewish New Testament translates the Greek word as "throughout the
Roman Empire" but this has the same problem, since Antioch and Judea
were both in the Roman Empire.

The solution lies in the fact that the word for "WORLD" in the
Aramaic manuscripts is ERA (Strong's #772) the Aramaic form of the
Hebrew word ERETZ (Strong's 776). This word can mean "world" (as in
Prov. 19:4) "earth" (as in Dan. 2:35) or "land" (as in Dan. 9:15)
and is often used as a euphemism for "The Land of Israel" (as in Dan.
9:6). Certainly the word here is not meant to mean "world" but "land
of Israel."


Mt. 26:6 = Mk. 14:3

And when Y'shua was in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper,
(KJV)


As any Bible student knows, lepers were not permitted to live in the
city (see Lev. 13:46).

Stern's JNT attempts to fix the problem by translating:

Stern's JNT has:
Yeshua was in Beit-Anyah, at the hom of Shim'on, the man who had had
the repulsive skin disease.

But in fact the Greek does NOT say that Shim'on HAD BEEN a Leper.
The Greek calls him "Simon the Leper".

Since ancient Hebrew and Aramaic were written
without vowels, there was no distinction between the Aramaic words
GAR'BA (leper)and GARABA (jar maker or jar merchant). Since in this
story a woman pours oil from a jar it is apparent that Simon was a
jar merchant or jar maker and not a leper.


Mt. 19:12 & Acts 8:26f

....there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the
Kingdom of Heaven's sake....
--Mt. 19:12 NKJV

So he [Phillip] arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a
eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians,
who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to
worship.
--Acts 8:27 NKJV

In Mt. 19 Stern's JNT translates the same Greek phrase for "eunuch"
as "do not mary"; "without desire"; "been castrated" and "renounced
marraige" to avoid this problem. He translates the same Greek word
as "eunuch" in Acts 8:27 just as the KJV does.

The man in Acts 8:27 appears to be a proselyte to Judaism since he
seems to be making the Torah-required pilgrimage to Jerusalem (Dt.
16:16). The Torah, however, forbids a eunuch both from becoming a
proselyte Jew, and from worshiping at the Temple (Dt. 23:1f). This
also raises the question of why one would become a eunuch (be
castrated) for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. After all eunuchs
are excluded from the assembly of Israel. The word for "eunuch" in
the Aramaic manuscripts of both of these passages is M'HAIMNA which
can mean "eunuch" but can also mean "believer" or "faithful one" as
it clearly means here. In Mt. 19 it appears as a sort of wordplkay
bbecsue it also refers to one who is faithful in marraige.


Mt. 19:24 = Mk. 10:25 = Lk. 18:25

...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle
than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

Stern's JNT has "...it is easier for a camel to pass through a
needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."

The word for "camel" in the Aramaic manuscripts is GAMLA which can
mean "camel" but can also refer to a "large rope," which is certainly
the meaning here.

Jn. 12:11 & 15:16

One word that the Greek translators often misunderstood was the
Aramaic word 'EZAL which normally means "to go" or "to depart" but is
used idiomatically in Aramaic to mean that some action goes forward
and that something progresses "more and more".

One case where the Greek translator misunderstood this word and
translated to literally is in Jn. 12:11:

Because that by reason of him many of the Jews
went away (!?!?!?!?), and believed on Jesus. (KJV)

Stern's JNT has:

since it was because of him that large numbers of the Judeans were
leaving their leaders and putting their trust in Yeshua.

Note that Stern adds the phrase "their leaders" which does NOT appear
in the Greek in an attempt to force the Greek to make some kind of
sense.

Now I have translated the Aramaic of this passage as follows:

because many of the Judeans, on account of him,
were trusting more and more ('EZAL) in Yeshua.

And Jn. 15:16:

...that ye should go and bring forth fruit...
KJV

...to go and bear fruit...
JNT

I have translated from the Aramaic:

...that you also should bear fruit more and more ('EZAL)...

OK that is enough for today I will post more soon.

James Trimm

PS: In the above HRV = Hebraic Roots Version; KJV = King James Version and JNT =
Jewish New Testament.

#3317 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Wed May 27, 2009 10:03 pm
Subject: The Seven Seals Revealed
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This Thursday and Friday on the Truth in Torah podcast we have a very special
presentation: Seven Seals, Seven Thunders in two parts. In this presentation you
will learn about the seven seals of the book of Revelation. You will learn the
answer to questions like: Who is the anti-Messiah? What does the number 666
actually signify?
What do the four horses of the apocalypse signify? What do the rest of the seven
seals signify? Learn the answers to these questions and more on Truth in Torah:

Seven Seals, Seven Thunders part 1 on Truth in Torah Thursday four times:
5 AM; 11 AM; 5PM; 11PM CENTRAL TIME at
http://www.messianicvoice.com

Seven Seals, Seven Thunders part 2 on Truth in Torah Friday four times:
5 AM; 11 AM; 5PM; 11PM CENTRAL TIME at
http://www.messianicvoice.com

#3316 From: "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...>
Date: Wed May 27, 2009 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: DEAD SEA SCROLLS....
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Just as there are 2 messiahs in the DSS there are also in my opinion 2
messiahs in the book of rev.! The first one who rules the earth with a rode of
iron during the millennium(The King or messiah of Israel) and the second one who
comes back after the end of the millennium(the preist or messiah of Aaron).
- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...> wrote:
>
>  > I believe that the apostle James Zebedee was the teacher of
> > righteousness in the DSS! It is known from the scrolls that the
> > teacher was a priest at the tempel in Jerusalem. It is also known
> > that Josephus said that James the righteous was a priest! Now, for
> > eneny one that dosen't believe that James Zebedee was a priest i have
> > some thing new! It's in the gospel of John. Where the beloved deciple
> > is known to the high priest. Now, did eneny body ever wonder how did
> > a commoner, a fishermen from galilee get to know the high priest in
> > Jerusalem? And it's one thing to know him, but to be welcomed into
> > his home, well, that's another story. You know He had to be some body
> > to gain enterence! I think the beloved deciple was a priest! One more
> > reason to believe that this deciple is a priest is that in John 20 he
> > and Peter ran to the tomb but he got there first but didn't go in.
> > Why, because he was a priest, and according to Jewish law a priest
> > would be defiled if he entered a room with a dead body in it. It
> > seems obvious to me that the beloved deciple is a priest. >
> > Everyone knows that James Zebedee became the head of the church in
> > Jerusalem after the death of Jesus. It only stands to reason that he
> > would want his most beloved and devoted deciple to take his place
> > after he was gone. That only makes sence. Especially if he were the
> > high priest. As Josephus says he was. >
> > The high priest was a political apointment by the govenor each year.
> > But i think he was high priest in name only. Sence Josephus says that
> > James the righteous was the one who entered the holy of holies each
> > year, i figure that James was the one who carried out the duties of
> > the high priest in the tempel. >
> > The reason John doesn't mention the name of this deciple that Jesus
> > loved is because of his reverence that he has for him. Just like the
> > writers of the DSS had for their leader the teacher of righteousness.
> > Also they are both called righteous! >
> > I also believe that the apostle Paul made a mistake when he said that
> > James Zebedee died and was replaced by another James, called the
> > lords brother. Because according to Josephus James the just died just
> > before the war between the Jews and the Romans, and so therefore this James
the lords brother is the cousin of Jesus, James Zebedee!
-- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@> wrote:
> > >> I believe that the apostle James Zebedee was the teacher of
> > > righteousness in the DSS! It is known from the scrolls that the
> > > teacher was a priest at the tempel in Jerusalem. It is also known
> > > that Josephus said that James the righteous was a priest! Now, for
> > > eneny one that dosen't believe that James Zebedee was a priest i have
> > > some thing new! It's in the gospel of John. Where the beloved deciple
> > > is known to the high priest. Now, did eneny body ever wonder how did
> > > a commoner, a fishermen from galilee get to know the high priest in
> > > Jerusalem? And it's one thing to know him, but to be welcomed into
> > > his home, well, that's another story. You know He had to be some body
> > > to gain enterence! I think the beloved deciple was a priest! One more
> > > reason to believe that this deciple is a priest is that in John 20 he
> > > and Peter ran to the tomb but he got there first but didn't go in.
> > > Why, because he was a priest, and according to Jewish law a priest
> > > would be defiled if he entered a room with a dead body in it. It
> > > seems obvious to me that the beloved deciple is a priest. >
> > > Everyone knows that James Zebedee became the head of the church in
> > > Jerusalem after the death of Jesus. It only stands to reason that he
> > > would want his most beloved and devoted deciple to take his place
> > > after he was gone. That only makes sence. Especially if he were the
> > > high priest. As Josephus says he was. >
> > > The high priest was a political apointment by the govenor each year.
> > > But i think he was high priest in name only. Sence Josephus says that
> > > James the righteous was the one who entered the holy of holies each
> > > year, i figure that James was the one who carried out the duties of
> > > the high priest in the tempel. >
> > > The reason John doesn't mention the name of this deciple that Jesus
> > > loved is because of his reverence that he has for him. Just like the
> > > writers of the DSS had for their leader the teacher of righteousness.
> > > Also they are both called righteous! >
> > > I also believe that the apostle Paul made a mistake when he said that
> > > James Zebedee died and was replaced by another James, called the
> > > lords brother. Because according to Josephus James the just died just
> > > before the war between the Jews and the Romans, and so therefore this
James the lords brother is the cousin of Jesus, James Zebedee!
> > > Would any one here be interrested in talking to me about who was the
TEACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in the DSC........
> > >
> >
>

#3315 From: "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...>
Date: Fri May 22, 2009 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: DEAD SEA SCROLLS....
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> I believe that the apostle James Zebedee was the teacher of
> righteousness in the DSS! It is known from the scrolls that the
> teacher was a priest at the tempel in Jerusalem. It is also known
> that Josephus said that James the righteous was a priest! Now, for
> eneny one that dosen't believe that James Zebedee was a priest i have
> some thing new! It's in the gospel of John. Where the beloved deciple
> is known to the high priest. Now, did eneny body ever wonder how did
> a commoner, a fishermen from galilee get to know the high priest in
> Jerusalem? And it's one thing to know him, but to be welcomed into
> his home, well, that's another story. You know He had to be some body
> to gain enterence! I think the beloved deciple was a priest! One more
> reason to believe that this deciple is a priest is that in John 20 he
> and Peter ran to the tomb but he got there first but didn't go in.
> Why, because he was a priest, and according to Jewish law a priest
> would be defiled if he entered a room with a dead body in it. It
> seems obvious to me that the beloved deciple is a priest. >
> Everyone knows that James Zebedee became the head of the church in
> Jerusalem after the death of Jesus. It only stands to reason that he
> would want his most beloved and devoted deciple to take his place
> after he was gone. That only makes sence. Especially if he were the
> high priest. As Josephus says he was. >
> The high priest was a political apointment by the govenor each year.
> But i think he was high priest in name only. Sence Josephus says that
> James the righteous was the one who entered the holy of holies each
> year, i figure that James was the one who carried out the duties of
> the high priest in the tempel. >
> The reason John doesn't mention the name of this deciple that Jesus
> loved is because of his reverence that he has for him. Just like the
> writers of the DSS had for their leader the teacher of righteousness.
> Also they are both called righteous! >
> I also believe that the apostle Paul made a mistake when he said that
> James Zebedee died and was replaced by another James, called the
> lords brother. Because according to Josephus James the just died just
> before the war between the Jews and the Romans, and so therefore this James
the lords brother is the cousin of Jesus, James Zebedee!
-- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...> wrote:
>
> --- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@> wrote:
> >> I believe that the apostle James Zebedee was the teacher of
> > righteousness in the DSS! It is known from the scrolls that the
> > teacher was a priest at the tempel in Jerusalem. It is also known
> > that Josephus said that James the righteous was a priest! Now, for
> > eneny one that dosen't believe that James Zebedee was a priest i have
> > some thing new! It's in the gospel of John. Where the beloved deciple
> > is known to the high priest. Now, did eneny body ever wonder how did
> > a commoner, a fishermen from galilee get to know the high priest in
> > Jerusalem? And it's one thing to know him, but to be welcomed into
> > his home, well, that's another story. You know He had to be some body
> > to gain enterence! I think the beloved deciple was a priest! One more
> > reason to believe that this deciple is a priest is that in John 20 he
> > and Peter ran to the tomb but he got there first but didn't go in.
> > Why, because he was a priest, and according to Jewish law a priest
> > would be defiled if he entered a room with a dead body in it. It
> > seems obvious to me that the beloved deciple is a priest. >
> > Everyone knows that James Zebedee became the head of the church in
> > Jerusalem after the death of Jesus. It only stands to reason that he
> > would want his most beloved and devoted deciple to take his place
> > after he was gone. That only makes sence. Especially if he were the
> > high priest. As Josephus says he was. >
> > The high priest was a political apointment by the govenor each year.
> > But i think he was high priest in name only. Sence Josephus says that
> > James the righteous was the one who entered the holy of holies each
> > year, i figure that James was the one who carried out the duties of
> > the high priest in the tempel. >
> > The reason John doesn't mention the name of this deciple that Jesus
> > loved is because of his reverence that he has for him. Just like the
> > writers of the DSS had for their leader the teacher of righteousness.
> > Also they are both called righteous! >
> > I also believe that the apostle Paul made a mistake when he said that
> > James Zebedee died and was replaced by another James, called the
> > lords brother. Because according to Josephus James the just died just
> > before the war between the Jews and the Romans, and so therefore this James
the lords brother is the cousin of Jesus, James Zebedee!
> > Would any one here be interrested in talking to me about who was the TEACHER
OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in the DSC........
> >
>

#3314 From: "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...>
Date: Tue May 26, 2009 9:21 pm
Subject: Who was The teacher of righteousness in the dead sea scrolls?
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The TEACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS,       In the dead sea
scrolls there are 2 messiahs, and the TEACHER OF RIGHEOUSNESS is one of them. 
The TEACHER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS is a priest in the Jerusalem Temple. So he can not
be Jesus Christ. However in the gospel of john it does indicate that the beloved
disciple is a priest because he can enter the high priests home and the guards
seem to know him and let him and PETER in because obviously he is a priest in
the temple. There is no doute that The apostle James Zebedee was TEACTHER OF
RIGHTEOUSNESS because Jesus called him JAMES THE RIGHTOUS and also THE JUST ONE.
Both James Zebedee and the teacher of righteousness are called JUST and
RIGHTEOUS. Both are priest. Both are leaders of a christian group in or around
Jerusalem. Both were persecuted by the high priest in Jerusalem.
The D.S.S. say there are 2 messiahs, The Messiahs of Aaron and Israel.
Scattered throughout the documents are several concepts which may refer to the
interrelation between Hierarchy and humanity - the way the spiritual kingdom
makes itself manifest in our own world of form. One expression is the idea of
God establishing His Kingdom on earth by means of a "plant root" or "eternal
plantation."

The rule reads: "... the Community council shall be founded on truth ... like an
everlasting plantation, a holy house for Israel and the foundation of the holy
of holies for Aaron ... It will be the tested rampart, the precious cornerstone
...". (CR-VIII)

The depiction of the Community council as "an everlasting plantation" may refer
to the energies of the Hierarchy, continually cultivating and nurturing the
human kingdom. In another metaphor expressing the same concept, humanity is the
foundation and "precious cornerstone" for the earthly temple, the expression of
God in form.

In Judaism the terms Israel and Aaron are used as comparative concepts. "Israel"
refers to the earthly realm while "Aaron" refers to the heavenly. In the above
passage the "holy house for Israel" is humanity, the kingdom of souls, being
nurtured and cultivated by the "holy of holies for Aaron" - the spiritual
Hierarchy.

A similar concept - that of
"the two Messiahs" - has remained baffling to most scholars. They are called the
Messiahs of Aaron and Israel, and are often depicted as one person residing over
a heavenly kingdom on earth. Some passages mention a future coming of the two
Messiahs, possibly a reference to the Second Coming. We read at the end of a
long list of rules: "And this is the exact interpretation of the regulations by
which (they shall be ruled until there arises the Messiah) of Aaron and Israel.
He shall atone for their sins." (DD-XIV)

This concept may relate to the idea of overshadowing, whereby a great adept uses
the body of a disciple to "pour His energy and force for the helping of the
world". (TCF, p.749) So did the Buddha overshadow the disciple Gautama, and
Maitreya the disciple Jesus.

#3313 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Thu May 21, 2009 1:47 am
Subject: Hebraic Root Version - Revised Ebook version
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Its finally here! The Hebraic Roots Version Scriptures Revised E-Book edition!

Now the HRV is searchable...

Now you can easily cut and paste from the HRV!

The HRV is the first Sacred Name Version of the Scriptures to have the NT
translated from the original Hebrew and Aramaic and to follow the original
manuscript order of the books!

Download your copy now for just $25

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#3312 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Sun May 17, 2009 10:52 pm
Subject: Instant Twitter Updates from Dr. Trimm
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Shalom everyone,

I am now using Twitter as a way to stay connected to those of you who wish to
have real time occasional updates on the Biblical research that I am doing.

Whenever I find some interesting tid bit, I can use Twitter to send a brief
notice about it to those of you who are interested.

Sign up to receive my free instant Twitter updates from DrTrimm at:
http://www.twitter.com/DrTrimm

#3311 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 7:49 pm
Subject: News from the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim
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News from the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim
http://www.wnae.org


Dr. Trimm will be a speaker at the IANI conference in Leesburg, Florida July
31st-August 2nd, 2009
http://www.shalomembroideryandjudaica.com/IANIConference2009/index.html

Dr Trimm is now sharing occasional announcements and insights through twitter. 
For example today I sent out this thought:

1Cor was after Pesach (ch 5) and before Shavuot (16:8).
Whole letter is about counting of omer and firstfruits.
Shines new light on letter.

If you would like to follow Dr. Trimm's "twitter" just sign up at:
http://www.twitter.com/DrTrimm

A new episode (episode 21) of the Truth Talk podcast has been posted at
http://www.nazarenetruth.com the topic this week is Spiritual Warfare.

MessianicVoice.com is now posting episodes of Dr. Trimm's Truth in Torah podcast
in the archives section so you can listen anytime you like
(http://www.messianicvoice.com)

You can follow Dr. Trimm's blog teachings at http://www.NazareneSpace.com the
social network for Torah Observant believers in Messiah with nearly 600 members
worldwide!
Come join our growing community as we restore the ancient sect of the Nazarenes.

#3310 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Thu May 14, 2009 12:05 am
Subject: Feeding the Sheep
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Shalom Chaverim,

Well folks a lot is going on.  Yah is moving these days.  As a M'vakar
(Overseer) it is my job to feed he sheep and I am seeking to use every tool at
my disposal to feed the sheep in earnest.  While it is my job to feed the sheep
and to protect the sheep, it is not my job to lord over the sheep.  I will not
join the ranks of Religious Overlords who would lord over the sheep.  Frankly I
am to busy trying to feed the sheep to get involved in lording over the sheep.

Folks we do need your support.  We have a power bill due tomorrow and right now
we do not have the means to pay it (we are about $100 short).  Please show your
support for the work we are doing here to reach the lost with Torah and Messiah,
new believers with milk and mature believers with meat.

Thank you for your help in allowing us (all of us together) to do our Father's
business, may YHWH bless you in every way.

You can donate by going to the chip-in counter at http://www.wnae.org or
donations can be sent by paypal to donations@....

Donations can also be made out to "Nazarene Judaism" and sent to:

Nazarene Judaism
PO Box 471
Hurst, TX 76053

James Trimm
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#3309 From: "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...>
Date: Tue May 12, 2009 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: DEAD SEA SCROLLS....
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--- In essene@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...> wrote:
>> I believe that the apostle James Zebedee was the teacher of
> righteousness in the DSS! It is known from the scrolls that the
> teacher was a priest at the tempel in Jerusalem. It is also known
> that Josephus said that James the righteous was a priest! Now, for
> eneny one that dosen't believe that James Zebedee was a priest i have
> some thing new! It's in the gospel of John. Where the beloved deciple
> is known to the high priest. Now, did eneny body ever wonder how did
> a commoner, a fishermen from galilee get to know the high priest in
> Jerusalem? And it's one thing to know him, but to be welcomed into
> his home, well, that's another story. You know He had to be some body
> to gain enterence! I think the beloved deciple was a priest! One more
> reason to believe that this deciple is a priest is that in John 20 he
> and Peter ran to the tomb but he got there first but didn't go in.
> Why, because he was a priest, and according to Jewish law a priest
> would be defiled if he entered a room with a dead body in it. It
> seems obvious to me that the beloved deciple is a priest. >
> Everyone knows that James Zebedee became the head of the church in
> Jerusalem after the death of Jesus. It only stands to reason that he
> would want his most beloved and devoted deciple to take his place
> after he was gone. That only makes sence. Especially if he were the
> high priest. As Josephus says he was. >
> The high priest was a political apointment by the govenor each year.
> But i think he was high priest in name only. Sence Josephus says that
> James the righteous was the one who entered the holy of holies each
> year, i figure that James was the one who carried out the duties of
> the high priest in the tempel. >
> The reason John doesn't mention the name of this deciple that Jesus
> loved is because of his reverence that he has for him. Just like the
> writers of the DSS had for their leader the teacher of righteousness.
> Also they are both called righteous! >
> I also believe that the apostle Paul made a mistake when he said that
> James Zebedee died and was replaced by another James, called the
> lords brother. Because according to Josephus James the just died just
> before the war between the Jews and the Romans, and so therefore this James
the lords brother is the cousin of Jesus, James Zebedee!
> Would any one here be interrested in talking to me about who was the TEACHER
OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in the DSC........
>

#3308 From: "cleartruth" <cleartruth@...>
Date: Sun May 10, 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: Our Father's Work
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Shalom Chaverim,

Now is your time to impact the world. If we as Nazarenes do not link arms and
push forward the message of Torah and Messiah, then who will? We have bills due
this week and virtually no funds with which to pay them. You who support this
work with your tithes and offerings are those who make it possible for us to do
the job of teaching Torah and Messiah worldwide.

Thank you for your help in allowing us (all of us together) to do our Father's
business, may YHWH bless you in every way.

You can donate by going to the chip-in counter at http://www.wnae.org or
donations can be sent by paypal to donations@....

Donations can also be made out to "Nazarene Judaism" and sent to:

Nazarene Judaism
PO Box 471
Hurst, TX 76053

James Trimm
Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim
http://www.wnae.org

#3307 From: "jimjim5886" <jimjim5886@...>
Date: Wed May 6, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: DEAD SEA SCROLLS....
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Would any one here be interrested in talking to me about who was the TEACHER OF
RIGHTEOUSNESS in the DSC........

#3306 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:19 am
Subject: Nazarene Yeshiva -- Talmudic Studies coming soon
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Shalom Chaverim!

We at Worldwide have seen the profound need for quality Nazarene leaders
throughout the world. Leaders in this movement need training in specialized
areas like: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, Textual Criticism, The Dead Sea Scrolls,
Rabbinic literature, hermeneutics and much, much more!

And yes, classes are conducted online at your convenience.

Whether you're wanting to earn a certificate of Rabbinate (Masters and
Doctorate) or you are just wanting in-depth studies as a layman, you will find
that Beit Netzarim Yeshiva provides a level of Nazarene/Messianic education that
you simply cannot get anywhere else. (And for just $125 a month plus books).

Get ready we have a new semester beginning in May!

Beginning in May: Talmudic Studies available!

Sign up at http://www.beitzetzarimyeshiva.com

#3305 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:47 am
Subject: Free Bible Corresponence Course
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Free Bible Correspondence Course

Introducing the Davar Bible School Bible Correspondence Course.

A Revolutionary Course in Bible Understanding from Davar Bible School
in association with Beit Netzarim Yeshiva.

This informative course of study will help you understand the clear,
simple, plain truths of your Bible. The only textbook you will need
for this correspondence course is your Bible. You will be richly
rewarded with enlightening new truth in each lesson. There is no
tuition or cost to you whatsoever, this course is absolutely free of
charge. Your enrollment has already been paid by the voluntary
freewill tithes and offerings of those who have elected to support
this teaching. Those who wish to support this work are gladly
welcomed as coworkers in this important effort to proclaim truth to
all people. As you read each lesson, make sure you look up each
Scripture that is cited. A separate test booklet is provided for each
lesson. This way you can keep the lessons for further study,
returning only your test booklet to be graded by your teacher.
(Alternatively you may just email your answers to us.) It is our
prayer that Elohim will bless you as you seek to understand His word.

http://davarbibleschool.ning.com

#3304 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:33 am
Subject: WNAE Affiliation
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The Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim is growing.  Through out Davar Bible
School, books and Truth Talk podcast we are constantly hearing from people
wanting to be directed to Nazarene groups meeting in their local area.

If you are leading a like minded congregation anywhere in the world, we would
like to encourage you to affiliate your congregation with the WNAE.  We will add
you to our directory of assemblies at http://www.wnae.org and direct any
inquiries from people in your area to you.

We also have programs to help you build your congregation (and we are constantly
working on more).  Currently we offer the Operation Wake Up Call program of
congregational growth.  Soon we plan to begin a program of "come to town"
Seminars offered to help grow your congregations (more details on this will be
forthcoming).

If you do not already lead a Nazarene Assembly and would like to create a Home
Study Group in your area, just go to our website for details on how to get one
started.  We recommend using Operation Wake up Call to help kick off your new
group, and keep it growing.  Let us know about your new group so we can add it
to our directory.  Contact us, we will be glad to help in any way we can.

Just email us at cleartruth@... to let us know that you would like to be
the WNAE affiliate in your area.

James Trimm
Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim
http://www.wnae.org

#3303 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:53 am
Subject: Should we Keep the Oral Law?
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Should Nazarenes Keep the Oral Law?

This week on TRUTH TALK


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Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

#3302 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:27 am
Subject: YHWH's Answer to the Financial Crisis
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This week on Truth Talk:

YHWH's Answer to the Financial Crisis

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=298650744


Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

#3301 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:41 am
Subject: Passover vs. Easter
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A Special Truth Talk Presentation:

Passover vs. Easter

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=298650744

Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

We at Worldwide need your help.  Our electric bill is coming due and the account
is virtually empty.  Tithes and offerings in March have been extremely low.  We
need your financial support to help us continue to bring the message of Torah
and Messiah to the world.

We are bringing Torah and Messiah to the world, milk to new believers and meat
for the mature.

We need your help, right now go to http://www.nazarenespace.com and click on the
chip-in box and give whatever you can afford. (You can also donate directly thru
PayPal by
sending paypal donations to donations@... . You can also mail
donations to Nazarene Judaism; PO Box 471; Hurst, TX 76053).

Or you can use the "chip in" box at http://www.nazarenespace.com

Also I want to encourage all of you to listen to the testimony of my old friend,
mentor and teacher, Rabbi Armond Danny Moyal, an Orthodox Rabbi from Israel who
came to accept Yeshua as the Messiah because of things he found in the Talmud
and Midrashim.
Listen at:
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/testimony-of-rabbi-armond

James Trimm
WNAE (Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim)

#3300 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Mon Mar 9, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: The Lost Ten Tribes... Found!
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This week on the Truth Talk Podcast:

The Lost Ten Tribes... Found!

This week on the Truth Talk podcast:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=298650744

Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

#3299 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Fri Mar 6, 2009 11:46 am
Subject: Purim Podcast
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SPECIAL PURIM TRUTH TALK PODCAST

This week on the Truth Talk Podcast:

Our Annual Purim Show! Did you know that the names of ten Nazi war criminals
are hidden in the Book of Ester? Learn amazing facts about the Book of Ester.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=298650744

Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

#3298 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:00 pm
Subject: Reversal of Yeshua's Conviction by Beit Din
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REVERSAL OF YESHUA'S CONVICTION
AND GUILTY VERDICT ON CAIAPHAS

We, the International Nazarene Beit Din find the following errors in Yeshua's
original trial:

1. Yeshua's trial was held at night yet the Mishna clearly states that a capitol
trial may not be held at night (m.San. 4:1)

2. Yeshua was remanded to Rome for sentencing immediately, however the Mishna
requires sentencing to be delayed by one day in order for the judges to properly
consider the case. (m.San. 5:5)

3. The trial was overseen by Kathros ben Yosef (Caiaphas)  who was appointed in
18 CE by the Roman procurator who preceded Pilate, Valerius Gratus. Although a
High Priest is supposed to serve for life, the preceding High Priest was still
alive when he took office. He was not a Levite but an Edomite convert illegally
installed by Caesar's command.
Because he was improperly installed in the office of High Priest, his rulings
are invalid.

Due to these errors the International Nazarene Beit Din declares a mistrial and
rules that Yeshua is entitled posthumously to a new trial.

The charge is that of blasphemy (Matt. 26:65) . Having reviewed the transcript
of the original trial (Matt. 26:57-66) and read the testimony of the witnesses,
as well as that of Yeshua himself, we do hereby reverse Caiaphas' ruling and
exonerate Yeshua of the charge of blasphemy.

We do also find based on Caiaphas' own statement before the trial "that it was
better that one man should die for the people" (John 18:14) that Caiaphas
engaged in a conspiracy to use his office in order to intentionally convict
Yeshua without a fair trial for political gain. We do therefore posthumously
find Caiaphas guilty of murder.

Passed unanimously by the International Nazarene Beit Din, March 4th 2009
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profile/InternatioanlNazareneBeitDin
Rabbi James Trimm, Nasi
Rabbi Robert Miller
Rabbi Daniel Klutstein

#3297 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:40 am
Subject: Mysteries of the Book of Enoch Unveiled
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The Book of Enoch was treasured by Jude as an inspired book of
prophecy authored by Enoch himself:

And Chanokh [Enoch], the seventh from Adam,
prophesied about these men saying:
Behold, YHWH comes with ten thousands of his set-apart-ones,
to execute judgment on all, co convict all who are wicked
among them of their wicked deeds which they have committed in
a wicked way, and all the harsh things which wicked sinners
have spoken against him.
(Yhudah (Jude) 1:14-15 HRV)

This week on the Truth Talk Podcast:

The Mysteries of the Book of Enoch Unveiled

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=298650744



Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

Also get the Books of Enoch; A New Messianic, Sacred Name Translation
By James Trimm at http://www.lulu.com/nazarene

#3296 From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@...>
Date: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:29 am
Subject: Truth Talk: Is the Tithe Today?
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This week on the Truth Talk podcast: "Is the Tithe for Today?"

Tune in at:

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Or at our podcast page:

http://www.nazarenetruth.com

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