Hi All,

Thanks for the replies.

Graham - I will try to upload the photos to the site, if that doesnt work il
email you them seperatly.

Gillian - Yes i have been in touch with Peter briefly, more so with Guy Roberts
who is also on this site. He sent me a PDF. of the Ellwood line going back to
the 1500's, which shows who all the children of Daniel married.

I have been busy researching other family lines, so will post some more once i
have been back over my notes.

Thanks, Laura




--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "O'Brien Family" <nagemasset@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura
>
> Being new to the group has left me a little overawed by the amount of
information the group has acquired and totally amazed by the response to my
first posting.
>
> I personally would be interested in your photos of Dufton even though I have
been there.  Sadly the weather was not ideal for photos with incessant showers
for our visit.
>
> Thanks Graham
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gillian Mc Kenna
>   To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:31 AM
>   Subject: [ellwood] Re: Daniel and Ann Abbey
>
>
>
>   Hi Laura,
>
>   Daniel bap 27/4/1788 Kendal son of Daniel & Hannah was born 22/4/1788 Hugill
& died 1/12/1874 Kendal. He was a Husbandman then an innkeeper. He married
Frances Airey 16/9/1816 Kendal.
>
>   This info came from Peter.
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Gillian
>
>   --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "koromiko" <gill.laura1@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Everyone,
>   >
>   > I am a descendant from William Ellwood (1797-1875) and Elizabeth Cheers
(1805-1892), thanks to other researchers I know that my line goes back to Edmund
Ellwood (1572-1657) & Elizabeth Howe.
>   > I have information for William and Elizabeth and their descendants, but am
looking for more info on their parents who were Daniel Ellwood and Ann Abbey.
>   > Daniel was born June 10 1759 in Kendal and died Dec 1 1842. Ann was born
Dec 4 1757.
>   > I believe Daniel was a farmer at Otter Bank Skelsmergh, but cant be 100%.
>   > They had six children,
>   > Hannah 1786
>   > Daniel 1788
>   > John 1790
>   > Edmund 1795
>   > Ann 1796
>   > William 1797
>   > If anyone knows any more about them I would love to hear from you or if
you have an interest in my line of the Ellwood's I would be happy to give you
more information.
>   >
>   > Also I visited Dufton in November, so have some photos of John Ellwood
gravestone who died 1872 age 77, the church and the inscription in the church as
well as a few of Dufton itself. Im sure a few of you will have these yourselves,
but just in case thought id meantion it. If anyone is interested il upload them
to the yahoo site.
>   >
>   >
>   > Best Wishes
>   > Laura
>   >
>

Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
mentioned?
Graham

Hi Graham,

I have only the five children you list in my tree.

I suspect that it's a mistake. Why don't you email Bruce & ask him?

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@...> wrote:
>
> Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
> Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
mentioned?
> Graham
>

On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:

> Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706. Does
> anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not mentioned?

I haven't been able to find a sixth child.

Christopher seems to have died young.

William seems to have lived a long life, but have no record of marriage or
children for him.


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Hi All,

I have William married to Frances Blencarn 24/11/1733 Asby. William bur
23/9/1789 Dufton. William wrote a will dated 14/12/1786 & proved 13/01/1790.
Frances bur 22/5/1792 Dufton. Frances was living Murton with dau Anne & family
in 1787. Described as "old woman".

Children:

John bap 19/10/1735 Dufton marr Anne Lowis 26/1/1766 Dufton
Anne bap 8/4/1739 St Michael's bongate marr Francis Sedwick 25/8/1762 St M
Hannah bap 13/9/1741 St M
Mary bap 7/1/1747 St M married Hugh Bellas 2/2/1768 St M.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:
>
> > Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> > Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> > It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> > Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
Does
> > anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not mentioned?
>
> I haven't been able to find a sixth child.
>
> Christopher seems to have died young.
>
> William seems to have lived a long life, but have no record of marriage or
> children for him.
>
>
> --
> Keep well,
> Steve Hayes
> Web:    http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> E-mail: shayes@...
>

On 12 Jan 2012 at 9:56, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:

> I have William married to Frances Blencarn 24/11/1733 Asby. William bur
> 23/9/1789 Dufton. William wrote a will dated 14/12/1786 & proved 13/01/1790.
> Frances bur 22/5/1792 Dufton. Frances was living Murton with dau Anne & family
> in 1787. Described as "old woman".

Thanks very much for that -- I've tried to follow up some of those.


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http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
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On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:

> Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706. Does
> anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not mentioned?

In August last year Guy Roberts sent us a list of descendants of Edmund
Ellwood and Elizabeth Howe, which he said had come from a Peter Ellwood some
years ago.

Most of the people on it, however, are descendants of Edmund Ellwood and Anna
Rudd, and in particular of their son Edmund, born 1700, who married
Elizabeth.

Val has been going through it, generation by generation, person by person,
trying to get more information and to confirm the information (rather
sketchy) that is already there, and to add new information.

Some of the information in it seems to be completely wrong.-- for example it
shows a Mary Preston marrying a John Teasdale, but the children attributed to
them belonged to a different couple altogether.

I will upload a revised descendant report, but starting further down, with
Edmund and Elizabeth, showing what we have found so far, for others who are
working on this branch of the family.

Bear in mind that it is a work in progress, and there are some parts of it we
haven't touched at all.

We've tried, without success so far, to make contact with the Peter Ellwood
who drew up the original descendant chart, so we are not sure how he is
related.


--
Keep well,
Steve Hayes
Web:    http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
E-mail: shayes@...

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Hi All,

I have uploaded the removal order of Edmund & his family from Dufton in 1741.
This came from Peter Ellwood.

I was last in contact with Peter in September 2011.

Regards,

Gillian

On 13 Jan 2012 at 12:23, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:

> I have uploaded the removal order of Edmund & his family from Dufton in 1741.
> This came from Peter Ellwood.
>
> I was last in contact with Peter in September 2011.

Please invite him to join us here!


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On 13 Jan 2012 at 9:17, G ROBERTS wrote:

> Peter Ellwood used to work for the British Council in Sweden/Norway. I believe
> he has since retired and is back in the UK. He appears on his chart on page 5
> as a descendant of John Hassall Ellwood. I think he has a presence on Genes
> Reunited.

Ah, I see him there -- Peter David Roger, I presume?

>    I have only checked his work as far back as the marriage of
> Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson on page 4, and I agree with what Peter
> says as far as their descendants are concerned.

We haven't got as far as that on his sheets, though we have looked at some of
the descendants for Daniel and Hannah (and some of the information we have
came from you, so hope you can check the descendant sheets to see if we have
got it right).

There were some problems with some of the descendants of Daniel's older
brother Samuel, but there were quite a lot of them !

> There is a question about why
> Daniel seems to suddenly appear in the Kendal area.   There are several
> documents available in the Cumbrian archives (which are catalogued through
> Access to Archives on the National Archives website) concerning an
> economically troubled Ellwood family in the Dufton area, who have a son Daniel
> (among other children). The father and mother are named as Edmund and
> Elizabeth Ellwood. It seems likely that the family moved away from Dufton
> because their stock was so low in the area (...the records include details of
> Edmund being whipped  for the theft of a prayer book).   I cannot speak for
> the accuracy of Peter's work in other areas, except to say that his work on
> the descendants of Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson has given me no reason
> for doubt.   Regards Guy

I think we have found Elizabeth's death in Bolton. Haven't found Edmund's
death, though.




> --- On Fri, 13/1/12, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@...>
> Subject: [ellwood] Edmund Ellwood b. 1700 and Elizabeth
> To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 13 January, 2012, 6:09
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:
>
> > Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> > Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> > It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> > Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
> > Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
> > mentioned?
>
> In August last year Guy Roberts sent us a list of descendants of Edmund
> Ellwood and Elizabeth Howe, which he said had come from a Peter Ellwood some
> years ago.
>
> Most of the people on it, however, are descendants of Edmund Ellwood and Anna
> Rudd, and in particular of their son Edmund, born 1700, who married Elizabeth.
>
>
> Val has been going through it, generation by generation, person by person,
> trying to get more information and to confirm the information (rather sketchy)
> that is already there, and to add new information.
>
> Some of the information in it seems to be completely wrong.-- for example it
> shows a Mary Preston marrying a John Teasdale, but the children attributed to
> them belonged to a different couple altogether.
>
> I will upload a revised descendant report, but starting further down, with
> Edmund and Elizabeth, showing what we have found so far, for others who are
> working on this branch of the family.
>
> Bear in mind that it is a work in progress, and there are some parts of it we
> haven't touched at all.
>
> We've tried, without success so far, to make contact with the Peter Ellwood
> who drew up the original descendant chart, so we are not sure how he is
> related.
>
> --
> Keep well,
> Steve Hayes
> Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> E-mail: shayes@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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     Fax: 086-548-2525

I think I already did.

Gillian




--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jan 2012 at 12:23, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:
>
> > I have uploaded the removal order of Edmund & his family from Dufton in
1741.
> > This came from Peter Ellwood.
> >
> > I was last in contact with Peter in September 2011.
>
> Please invite him to join us here!
>
>
> --
> Steve Hayes
> E-mail: shayes@...
> Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/  (follow me on Tumblr)
> Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
> Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
>     Fax: 086-548-2525
>

Hi,

I have found written in my notes that Elizabeth died shortly after their removal
from Dufton aged 43. Don't have a burial record though.

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jan 2012 at 9:17, G ROBERTS wrote:
>
> > Peter Ellwood used to work for the British Council in Sweden/Norway. I
believe
> > he has since retired and is back in the UK. He appears on his chart on page
5
> > as a descendant of John Hassall Ellwood. I think he has a presence on Genes
> > Reunited.
>
> Ah, I see him there -- Peter David Roger, I presume?
>
> >    I have only checked his work as far back as the marriage of
> > Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson on page 4, and I agree with what Peter
> > says as far as their descendants are concerned.
>
> We haven't got as far as that on his sheets, though we have looked at some of
> the descendants for Daniel and Hannah (and some of the information we have
> came from you, so hope you can check the descendant sheets to see if we have
> got it right).
>
> There were some problems with some of the descendants of Daniel's older
> brother Samuel, but there were quite a lot of them !
>
> > There is a question about why
> > Daniel seems to suddenly appear in the Kendal area.   There are several
> > documents available in the Cumbrian archives (which are catalogued through
> > Access to Archives on the National Archives website) concerning an
> > economically troubled Ellwood family in the Dufton area, who have a son
Daniel
> > (among other children). The father and mother are named as Edmund and
> > Elizabeth Ellwood. It seems likely that the family moved away from Dufton
> > because their stock was so low in the area (...the records include details
of
> > Edmund being whipped  for the theft of a prayer book).   I cannot speak
for
> > the accuracy of Peter's work in other areas, except to say that his work on
> > the descendants of Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson has given me no reason
> > for doubt.   Regards Guy
>
> I think we have found Elizabeth's death in Bolton. Haven't found Edmund's
> death, though.
>
>
>
>
> > --- On Fri, 13/1/12, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@...>
> > Subject: [ellwood] Edmund Ellwood b. 1700 and Elizabeth
> > To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, 13 January, 2012, 6:09
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:
> >
> > > Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> > > Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> > > It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> > > Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
> > > Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
> > > mentioned?
> >
> > In August last year Guy Roberts sent us a list of descendants of Edmund
> > Ellwood and Elizabeth Howe, which he said had come from a Peter Ellwood some
> > years ago.
> >
> > Most of the people on it, however, are descendants of Edmund Ellwood and
Anna
> > Rudd, and in particular of their son Edmund, born 1700, who married
Elizabeth.
> >
> >
> > Val has been going through it, generation by generation, person by person,
> > trying to get more information and to confirm the information (rather
sketchy)
> > that is already there, and to add new information.
> >
> > Some of the information in it seems to be completely wrong.-- for example it
> > shows a Mary Preston marrying a John Teasdale, but the children attributed
to
> > them belonged to a different couple altogether.
> >
> > I will upload a revised descendant report, but starting further down, with
> > Edmund and Elizabeth, showing what we have found so far, for others who are
> > working on this branch of the family.
> >
> > Bear in mind that it is a work in progress, and there are some parts of it
we
> > haven't touched at all.
> >
> > We've tried, without success so far, to make contact with the Peter Ellwood
> > who drew up the original descendant chart, so we are not sure how he is
> > related.
> >
> > --
> > Keep well,
> > Steve Hayes
> > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> > http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> > E-mail: shayes@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Steve Hayes
> E-mail: shayes@...
> Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/  (follow me on Tumblr)
> Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
> Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
>     Fax: 086-548-2525
>

Hi

According to the National Archives, Edmund & family were in Bolton in 1742:

[no title or date]  WQ/SR/154/1


These documents are held at Cumbria Record Office, Kendal

Contents:
Petition of Edmund Ellwood of Bolton: has wife and 2 small children in extreme
poverty, was blacksmith but because of misfortune had to sell tools, would
willingly work if possible, desires overseers to find tools or allow him
allowance.
Date: 1742

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Mc Kenna" <gillianmckenna@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have found written in my notes that Elizabeth died shortly after their
removal from Dufton aged 43. Don't have a burial record though.
>
> Gillian
>
> --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@> wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2012 at 9:17, G ROBERTS wrote:
> >
> > > Peter Ellwood used to work for the British Council in Sweden/Norway. I
believe
> > > he has since retired and is back in the UK. He appears on his chart on
page 5
> > > as a descendant of John Hassall Ellwood. I think he has a presence on
Genes
> > > Reunited.
> >
> > Ah, I see him there -- Peter David Roger, I presume?
> >
> > >    I have only checked his work as far back as the marriage of
> > > Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson on page 4, and I agree with what Peter
> > > says as far as their descendants are concerned.
> >
> > We haven't got as far as that on his sheets, though we have looked at some
of
> > the descendants for Daniel and Hannah (and some of the information we have
> > came from you, so hope you can check the descendant sheets to see if we have
> > got it right).
> >
> > There were some problems with some of the descendants of Daniel's older
> > brother Samuel, but there were quite a lot of them !
> >
> > > There is a question about why
> > > Daniel seems to suddenly appear in the Kendal area.   There are several
> > > documents available in the Cumbrian archives (which are catalogued through
> > > Access to Archives on the National Archives website) concerning an
> > > economically troubled Ellwood family in the Dufton area, who have a son
Daniel
> > > (among other children). The father and mother are named as Edmund and
> > > Elizabeth Ellwood. It seems likely that the family moved away from Dufton
> > > because their stock was so low in the area (...the records include details
of
> > > Edmund being whipped  for the theft of a prayer book).   I cannot speak
for
> > > the accuracy of Peter's work in other areas, except to say that his work
on
> > > the descendants of Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson has given me no
reason
> > > for doubt.   Regards Guy
> >
> > I think we have found Elizabeth's death in Bolton. Haven't found Edmund's
> > death, though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- On Fri, 13/1/12, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@>
> > > Subject: [ellwood] Edmund Ellwood b. 1700 and Elizabeth
> > > To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, 13 January, 2012, 6:09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> > > > Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> > > > It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> > > > Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy
1706.
> > > > Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
> > > > mentioned?
> > >
> > > In August last year Guy Roberts sent us a list of descendants of Edmund
> > > Ellwood and Elizabeth Howe, which he said had come from a Peter Ellwood
some
> > > years ago.
> > >
> > > Most of the people on it, however, are descendants of Edmund Ellwood and
Anna
> > > Rudd, and in particular of their son Edmund, born 1700, who married
Elizabeth.
> > >
> > >
> > > Val has been going through it, generation by generation, person by person,
> > > trying to get more information and to confirm the information (rather
sketchy)
> > > that is already there, and to add new information.
> > >
> > > Some of the information in it seems to be completely wrong.-- for example
it
> > > shows a Mary Preston marrying a John Teasdale, but the children attributed
to
> > > them belonged to a different couple altogether.
> > >
> > > I will upload a revised descendant report, but starting further down, with
> > > Edmund and Elizabeth, showing what we have found so far, for others who
are
> > > working on this branch of the family.
> > >
> > > Bear in mind that it is a work in progress, and there are some parts of it
we
> > > haven't touched at all.
> > >
> > > We've tried, without success so far, to make contact with the Peter
Ellwood
> > > who drew up the original descendant chart, so we are not sure how he is
> > > related.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Keep well,
> > > Steve Hayes
> > > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> > > http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> > > E-mail: shayes@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Hayes
> > E-mail: shayes@
> > Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/  (follow me on Tumblr)
> > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
> > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
> >     Fax: 086-548-2525
> >
>

On 13 Jan 2012 at 15:37, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have found written in my notes that Elizabeth died shortly after their
> removal from Dufton aged 43. Don't have a burial record though.

6 June 1770 in Bolton.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Gillian Mc Kenna

To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:37 AM

Subject: [ellwood] Re: Peter Ellwood's chart

 

Hi

According to the National Archives, Edmund & family were in Bolton in 1742:

[no title or date] WQ/SR/154/1

These documents are held at Cumbria Record Office, Kendal

Contents:
Petition of Edmund Ellwood of Bolton: has wife and 2 small children in extreme poverty, was blacksmith but because of misfortune had to sell tools, would willingly work if possible, desires overseers to find tools or allow him allowance.
Date: 1742

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Mc Kenna" <gillianmckenna@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have found written in my notes that Elizabeth died shortly after their removal from Dufton aged 43. Don't have a burial record though.
>
> Gillian
>
> --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@> wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2012 at 9:17, G ROBERTS wrote:
> >
> > > Peter Ellwood used to work for the British Council in Sweden/Norway. I believe
> > > he has since retired and is back in the UK. He appears on his chart on page 5
> > > as a descendant of John Hassall Ellwood. I think he has a presence on Genes
> > > Reunited.
> >
> > Ah, I see him there -- Peter David Roger, I presume?
> >
> > >   I have only checked his work as far back as the marriage of
> > > Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson on page 4, and I agree with what Peter
> > > says as far as their descendants are concerned.
> >
> > We haven't got as far as that on his sheets, though we have looked at some of
> > the descendants for Daniel and Hannah (and some of the information we have
> > came from you, so hope you can check the descendant sheets to see if we have
> > got it right).
> >
> > There were some problems with some of the descendants of Daniel's older
> > brother Samuel, but there were quite a lot of them !
> >
> > > There is a question about why
> > > Daniel seems to suddenly appear in the Kendal area.   There are several
> > > documents available in the Cumbrian archives (which are catalogued through
> > > Access to Archives on the National Archives website) concerning an
> > > economically troubled Ellwood family in the Dufton area, who have a son Daniel
> > > (among other children). The father and mother are named as Edmund and
> > > Elizabeth Ellwood. It seems likely that the family moved away from Dufton
> > > because their stock was so low in the area (...the records include details of
> > > Edmund being whipped  for the theft of a prayer book).   I cannot speak for
> > > the accuracy of Peter's work in other areas, except to say that his work on
> > > the descendants of Daniel Ellwood and Hannah Crewdson has given me no reason
> > > for doubt.   Regards Guy
> >
> > I think we have found Elizabeth's death in Bolton. Haven't found Edmund's
> > death, though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- On Fri, 13/1/12, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@>
> > > Subject: [ellwood] Edmund Ellwood b. 1700 and Elizabeth
> > > To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, 13 January, 2012, 6:09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 Jan 2012 at 2:31, grahamo_ell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have noticed that the Bruce Morrison tree has a small error.
> > > > Edmund Ellwood married Anne Rudd 1696.
> > > > It then states that they had six children but only lists five children.
> > > > Thomas b 1697 Christopher 1699 Edmund 1700 William 1702 and Dorathy 1706.
> > > > Does anyone know if this is an error or if there was a sixth child not
> > > > mentioned?
> > >
> > > In August last year Guy Roberts sent us a list of descendants of Edmund
> > > Ellwood and Elizabeth Howe, which he said had come from a Peter Ellwood some
> > > years ago.
> > >
> > > Most of the people on it, however, are descendants of Edmund Ellwood and Anna
> > > Rudd, and in particular of their son Edmund, born 1700, who married Elizabeth.
> > >
> > >
> > > Val has been going through it, generation by generation, person by person,
> > > trying to get more information and to confirm the information (rather sketchy)
> > > that is already there, and to add new information.
> > >
> > > Some of the information in it seems to be completely wrong.-- for example it
> > > shows a Mary Preston marrying a John Teasdale, but the children attributed to
> > > them belonged to a different couple altogether.
> > >
> > > I will upload a revised descendant report, but starting further down, with
> > > Edmund and Elizabeth, showing what we have found so far, for others who are
> > > working on this branch of the family.
> > >
> > > Bear in mind that it is a work in progress, and there are some parts of it we
> > > haven't touched at all.
> > >
> > > We've tried, without success so far, to make contact with the Peter Ellwood
> > > who drew up the original descendant chart, so we are not sure how he is
> > > related.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Keep well,
> > > Steve Hayes
> > > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> > > http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> > > E-mail: shayes@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Hayes
> > E-mail: shayes@
> > Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/ (follow me on Tumblr)
> > Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
> > Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
> > Fax: 086-548-2525
> >
>

Hi Steve,

Oh well, so much for dying just after the move from Dufton to Bolton!!

There is an Edmund Ellwood who paid window tax in Dufton in 1777 but this is
probably our other Edmund who died 1803 who left the will.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jan 2012 at 15:37, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have found written in my notes that Elizabeth died shortly after their
> > removal from Dufton aged 43. Don't have a burial record though.
>
> 6 June 1770 in Bolton.
>
>
> --
> Steve Hayes
> E-mail: shayes@...
> Web: http://hayesstw.tumblr.com/  (follow me  on Tumblr)
> Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
> Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
>     Fax: 086-548-2525
>

This is a timeline query.

Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.

Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton

Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so far.

Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.

Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.

???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age 37.

Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior to April
and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.

Any thoughts??
Graham

On 17 Jan 2012 at 18:47, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:

> Oh well, so much for dying just after the move from Dufton to Bolton!!
>
> There is an Edmund Ellwood who paid window tax in Dufton in 1777 but this is
> probably our other Edmund who died 1803 who left the will.

Ive been looking quite a lot at this Edmund (born c 1770, son of Edmund
Ellwood and Anne Rudd) recently -- will send family group sheets to anyone
who is interested for comment/correction.

He's not our direct ancestor, but several people on the list seem to be
descended from him.

The only record of a marriage of an Edward to an Elizabeth we have been able
to find is to an Elizabeth Robinson in Carlisle on 14 Oct 1725. But the only
chidren of Edmund and Elizabeth born soon after were all born in Dufton:

Samuel (1726) m. Hannah Barrow ???
Daniel (1728) m. Hannah Crewdson
Lydia (1730) m. William Robinson
Elizabeth (1732) died in infancy
Ann (1734) m. William Morris
John (1738) died in infancy

And, as you have shown, around 1740 they moved to Bolton, and were in
financial difficulties there in 1742. Samuel does not appear to have been
with them then. He would have been about 14-16 then. Was he apprenticed
somewhere?

Samuel seems to be the most problematic, at least for us. Other people's
trees show descendants, but they aren't always consistent with each other,
and we haven't been able to find any confirmatory records on line. Of course
not everything is available on line for checking, and they may have seen
records that have not been transcribed or filmed yet.

Do you have anything on him and his descendants?










--
Keep well,
Steve Hayes
Web:    http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
E-mail: shayes@...

Hi Graham,

For Thomas' three marriages, the age given corresponds to him being born 1747 in
all three cases.

Where do the other ages come from??:

  >>>Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.

  >>>Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@...> wrote:
>
> This is a timeline query.
>
> Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.
>
> Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton
>
> Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so far.
>
> Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
>
> Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
>
> ???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age 37.
>
> Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior to
April and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.
>
> Any thoughts??
> Graham
>

Hi Steve,

This is what I have for Samuel Ellwood. This information came from Peter
Ellwood. None of it appears to be in familysearch.

Samuel Ellwood-7 (Edmund Ellwood-6, Edmond Elwood-5, Christopher Elwood-4,
Christopher
Elwolde-3, Edmund Elwold-2, Edwarde Elwald-1). He was born 1726 in Dufton.
Baptism on 13 Oct 1726 in Dufton. He died on 03 Aug 1811. Occupation was
Shoemaker.

Hannah Barrow. She was born 1731 in Cartmel. She died 1811 [10].
Samuel Ellwood and Hannah Barrow. They were married on 23 Nov 1752 in Cartmel
[10].

They had 4 children.

i. John Ellwood. He was born 1754 in Kendal. He married Jane Coultherd. They
were married on 19 May 1776 [10]. He died on 01 Dec 1842 in Kendal [10].
Occupation was Husbandman [10].

ii. Elizabeth Ellwood. She was born 1756 in Kendal.

iii. James Ellwood. He was born 1759 in Kendal. He died on 19 Jan 1813 in Kendal
[10]. Occupation was Blacksmith [10].

iv. Isabel Ellwood. She was born 1763 in Kendal.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> On 17 Jan 2012 at 18:47, Gillian Mc Kenna wrote:
>
> > Oh well, so much for dying just after the move from Dufton to Bolton!!
> >
> > There is an Edmund Ellwood who paid window tax in Dufton in 1777 but this is
> > probably our other Edmund who died 1803 who left the will.
>
> Ive been looking quite a lot at this Edmund (born c 1770, son of Edmund
> Ellwood and Anne Rudd) recently -- will send family group sheets to anyone
> who is interested for comment/correction.
>
> He's not our direct ancestor, but several people on the list seem to be
> descended from him.
>
> The only record of a marriage of an Edward to an Elizabeth we have been able
> to find is to an Elizabeth Robinson in Carlisle on 14 Oct 1725. But the only
> chidren of Edmund and Elizabeth born soon after were all born in Dufton:
>
> Samuel (1726) m. Hannah Barrow ???
> Daniel (1728) m. Hannah Crewdson
> Lydia (1730) m. William Robinson
> Elizabeth (1732) died in infancy
> Ann (1734) m. William Morris
> John (1738) died in infancy
>
> And, as you have shown, around 1740 they moved to Bolton, and were in
> financial difficulties there in 1742. Samuel does not appear to have been
> with them then. He would have been about 14-16 then. Was he apprenticed
> somewhere?
>
> Samuel seems to be the most problematic, at least for us. Other people's
> trees show descendants, but they aren't always consistent with each other,
> and we haven't been able to find any confirmatory records on line. Of course
> not everything is available on line for checking, and they may have seen
> records that have not been transcribed or filmed yet.
>
> Do you have anything on him and his descendants?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Keep well,
> Steve Hayes
> Web:    http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com
> http://hayesfam.posterous.com/
> E-mail: shayes@...
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Gillian Mc Kenna

To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:48 PM

Subject: [ellwood] Re: Thomas Ellwood born 1747

 

Hi Graham,

For Thomas' three marriages, the age given corresponds to him being born 1747 in all three cases.

Where do the other ages come from??:

>>>Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.

>>>Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@...> wrote:
>
> This is a timeline query.
>
> Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.
>
> Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton
>
> Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so far.
>
> Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
>
> Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
>
> ???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age 37.
>
> Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior to April and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.
>
> Any thoughts??
> Graham
>

Hi All,

Does anyone have his will proved 1839?

It would be interesting to see which children he mentions that could proved he
married Elizabeth Willon & Mary Loy.

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "O'Brien Family" <nagemasset@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry I didn't word it well in hindsight.
>
> Thomas 's birthday is prior to October of every year.
> Thomas marrys Mary Ellwood April 1783 he is 36.
> Therefore October 1783 Thomas turns 37.
> October 1784 Thomas turns 38.
> November 1784 Thomas marrys Elizabeth Willon BUT this Thomas states his age as
37.
> I agree all the marriage certificates date back to a 1747 birth
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gillian Mc Kenna
>   To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:48 PM
>   Subject: [ellwood] Re: Thomas Ellwood born 1747
>
>
>
>   Hi Graham,
>
>   For Thomas' three marriages, the age given corresponds to him being born
1747 in all three cases.
>
>   Where do the other ages come from??:
>
>   >>>Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
>
>   >>>Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Gillian
>
>   --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@> wrote:
>   >
>   > This is a timeline query.
>   >
>   > Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.
>   >
>   > Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton
>   >
>   > Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so far.
>   >
>   > Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
>   >
>   > Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
>   >
>   > ???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age 37.
>   >
>   > Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior to
April and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.
>   >
>   > Any thoughts??
>   > Graham
>   >
>

Hi All,

On second thoughts, I don't think any of his 1st family children survived
(Thomas & Mary Loy).

I know that:
Edmund 1772-1783
Thomas 1774-1779
William 1776 - 1783

Robert b1773
Sarah b1775

No burial for these two, however, in the 1787 census of Dufton they are not with
their father:

Thos ELLWOOD
  Head
  Farmer
  M

Eliz ELLWOOD
  Wife
    F

Mary ELLWOOD
  Daughter
    F

Eliz ELLWOOD
  Daughter
    F

Jno TUER
    Miner
  M

They would have been aged 12 & 14 yrs.

Maybe in Thomas' will there will be no mention of his 1st family's children as
they were all dead??

Regards,

Gillian


--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Mc Kenna" <gillianmckenna@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have his will proved 1839?
>
> It would be interesting to see which children he mentions that could proved he
married Elizabeth Willon & Mary Loy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gillian
>
> --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "O'Brien Family" <nagemasset@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry I didn't word it well in hindsight.
> >
> > Thomas 's birthday is prior to October of every year.
> > Thomas marrys Mary Ellwood April 1783 he is 36.
> > Therefore October 1783 Thomas turns 37.
> > October 1784 Thomas turns 38.
> > November 1784 Thomas marrys Elizabeth Willon BUT this Thomas states his age
as 37.
> > I agree all the marriage certificates date back to a 1747 birth
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Gillian Mc Kenna
> >   To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:48 PM
> >   Subject: [ellwood] Re: Thomas Ellwood born 1747
> >
> >
> >
> >   Hi Graham,
> >
> >   For Thomas' three marriages, the age given corresponds to him being born
1747 in all three cases.
> >
> >   Where do the other ages come from??:
> >
> >   >>>Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
> >
> >   >>>Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >
> >   Gillian
> >
> >   --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > This is a timeline query.
> >   >
> >   > Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.
> >   >
> >   > Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton
> >   >
> >   > Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so far.
> >   >
> >   > Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
> >   >
> >   > Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
> >   >
> >   > ???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age 37.
> >   >
> >   > Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior
to April and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.
> >   >
> >   > Any thoughts??
> >   > Graham
> >   >
> >
>

Dear All

As a new entrant to this group I've only just twigged that you've all been
posting photos here.  I shall hunt around and seek to assemble the one or two
that I have accumulated - hope they may be of interest too.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Welcome to the Yahoo Ellwood Group!

Love the photos, especially the one of William & Hannah and also Maggie's hat &
boa!

Regards,

Gillian

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "p.ellwood" <p.ellwood@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> As a new entrant to this group I've only just twigged that you've all been
posting photos here.  I shall hunt around and seek to assemble the one or two
that I have accumulated - hope they may be of interest too.
>
> Peter
>

Hi Everyone,

I have now a copy of Thomas' will dated 3rd Sept 1838 and proved 14th June 1839.

As I suspected Thomas does not mention any of his family from his first
marriage.

The will mentions:

His wife Elizabeth
His daughter Mary wife of Joseph Chambers
His daughter Jane Ellwood spinster
His daughter Hannah wife of George Stephenson
His only son John Ellwood
Executor: John Ellwood the son
Witnesses: John Heely junior of Appleby
Jonathon Bounbridge.

Regards,

Gillian



--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Mc Kenna" <gillianmckenna@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> On second thoughts, I don't think any of his 1st family children survived
(Thomas & Mary Loy).
>
> I know that:
> Edmund 1772-1783
> Thomas 1774-1779
> William 1776 - 1783
>
> Robert b1773
> Sarah b1775
>
> No burial for these two, however, in the 1787 census of Dufton they are not
with their father:
>
> Thos ELLWOOD
>  Head
>  Farmer
>  M
>
> Eliz ELLWOOD
>  Wife
>    F
>
> Mary ELLWOOD
>  Daughter
>    F
>
> Eliz ELLWOOD
>  Daughter
>    F
>
> Jno TUER
>    Miner
>  M
>
> They would have been aged 12 & 14 yrs.
>
> Maybe in Thomas' will there will be no mention of his 1st family's children as
they were all dead??
>
> Regards,
>
> Gillian
>
>
> --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Mc Kenna" <gillianmckenna@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone have his will proved 1839?
> >
> > It would be interesting to see which children he mentions that could proved
he married Elizabeth Willon & Mary Loy.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gillian
> >
> > --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "O'Brien Family" <nagemasset@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry I didn't word it well in hindsight.
> > >
> > > Thomas 's birthday is prior to October of every year.
> > > Thomas marrys Mary Ellwood April 1783 he is 36.
> > > Therefore October 1783 Thomas turns 37.
> > > October 1784 Thomas turns 38.
> > > November 1784 Thomas marrys Elizabeth Willon BUT this Thomas states his
age as 37.
> > > I agree all the marriage certificates date back to a 1747 birth
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Gillian Mc Kenna
> > >   To: ellwood@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:48 PM
> > >   Subject: [ellwood] Re: Thomas Ellwood born 1747
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Hi Graham,
> > >
> > >   For Thomas' three marriages, the age given corresponds to him being born
1747 in all three cases.
> > >
> > >   Where do the other ages come from??:
> > >
> > >   >>>Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
> > >
> > >   >>>Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
> > >
> > >   Regards,
> > >
> > >   Gillian
> > >
> > >   --- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "grahamo_ell" <nagemasset@> wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   > This is a timeline query.
> > >   >
> > >   > Thomas Ellwood christened October 1747 Dufton.
> > >   >
> > >   > Thomas married Mary Loy 26th May 1771 aged 24 Dufton
> > >   >
> > >   > Thomas married Mary Ellwood 13th April 1783 aged 36 Dufton fine so
far.
> > >   >
> > >   > Then Thomas aged to 37 years in Oct 1783.
> > >   >
> > >   > Also Thomas aged to 38 years in Oct 1784.
> > >   >
> > >   > ???the same Thomas marrying Elizabeth Willon Nov 1784 at Dufton age
37.
> > >   >
> > >   > Think there are two Thomas Ellwoods born 1747 OR Thomas was born prior
to April and not baptised until October, or he forgot how old he was.
> > >   >
> > >   > Any thoughts??
> > >   > Graham
> > >   >
> > >
> >
>