On 25 Jun 2011 at 8:53, Genie Zappanti wrote:

> Sorting the kids to the correct parents when they have the same or like
> names is a challenge.
> Obviously if the mother's maiden name is attached that helps. I think
> sometimes you can figure
> it out by dates (i.e. if Thomas and Mary have a baby in January they can't
> have one in June..that sort of thing) Using other records like marriage or
> death records sometimes list parents names so you can trace backwards.

Someone has pointed out that in the case of the families I mentioned, in the
church registers the abode of the one family is given as Sandriggs, and the
other as Dufton, so that sorts them out.


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Hi Jo,
I have just seen the picture you posted of T William Ellwood.  This has given a
link to our tree. Over the past few weeks I have been trolling through the
Mundia program looking at who has been working on Ellwoods and trying to make
contact.  The photo that you have just put up appears on three separate trees
posted by : Tantalus2002 / JanetEllwood / and JeanEllwood.  The line is
something like this

William Ellwood 1870-1918    m  Isabella Lambert 1872-1951
John Ellwood 1835-1906       m  Mary Wilcoock  1837-1903
Mark Ellwood 1796-1868       m  Mary Ellwood 1797
                              m  Mary Jackson 1793-1867
William Ellwood 1772-1838    m  Ann Simpson  1771(1776)-1842
Mark Ellwood 1734-           m  Ann Loadman 1736-
Mark Ellwood 1700 - 1739
   or more probably 1685-1739 m  Mary Maria Smith  1700-1772
Mark Ellwood1640-1739 (1725) m  Isabella Greenwood  1640-1706
Christopher Ellwood 1598-1664m  Bridget Dobson  1602-1662
Edmund Ellwood 1572-1657     m  Elizabeth Howe  1575-
Edward Ellwood 1545-1591     m  Ellyn      1545-1597

as you can see there is some difference of opinion as to some of the dates and
will need to have a bit more investigation and comparing of source documents,
but it is fairly consistent across the different trees posted (including others
which do not show that photo).  Needless to say on the three trees mentioned
there are descendants of William, so it may be of great interest to you.
regards
Val

Here's an answer, for now, to the question I posed a while back.

------- Forwarded message follows -------
From:            "Stan Catterall" <ascatterall@...>
To:              <shayes@...>
Copies to:       "McKenna Gillian" <Gillian.McKenna@...>
Subject:         Re: Which Thomas and Mary
Date sent:       Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:47:54 +0100

Hello again Steve,

I concur with Gillian re children of Thomas and Mary Loy.  Three died in
infancy and don't know of any marriage/children for Robert or Sarah.  For the
record Thomas married twice more after the death of Mary Loy; Mary Ellwood on
13/04/1783 (no issue) and of course, Elizabeth Willon 23/11/1784.

You are correct that I am descended from Ann Ellwood & Thomas Parker (they
were my grt, grt, grandparents) and, as I like to boast when I get a chance,
another stem (via their son Thomas) connects to the royal family.

With respect there is no evidence of a link to Thomas Ellwood & Elizabeth
Dobson, though the debate seems unending.  I have a Thomas on my tree born
'about' 1670, but who his parents were and baptism date are not known,
because
there is a gap in the parish records for this period.

Regards

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hayes
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:50 AM
To: Stan Catterall
Cc: McKenna Gillian
Subject: Re: Which Thomas and Mary

On 24 Jun 2011 at 20:49, Stan Catterall wrote:

> Mary Westmorland was baptised at Milburn in May 1731 which would make her 23
> years of age when she married Thomas, at Milburn, in June 1754.  She is not
> in my lineage so I have never researched her  but fancy she would have
> started her family about 1755. There is a Thomas & Mary Ellwood that would
> fit nicely into the time frame, with children baptised at Dufton between May
> 1755 and Dec 1773 inclusive, and in every case the Dufton parish records
> show the parents to be ‘Tomas & Mary of Sandrigs’.
> “If” this is Mary Westmorland she would be about 43 in Dec 1773
> and I would guess her child bearing days were then over.
>
> Thomas Ellwood and Mary Loy (baptised 1746) married @ Dufton in May 1771, so
> it is reasonable to assume any children would begin to arrive on the scene
> in about 1772, which is exactly when the first born son Edmund arrived.
> Also, against each baptism entry in the parish records for their five
> children the parents are recorded as ‘Thomas & Mary of Dufton’.

Hi Stan,

Thanks very much, that all makes perfect sense. We've only recently
discovered our connection to those families, and so are still trying to sort
out the links between them, and which kids belong to which families, so your
comments are very helpful.

Do you happen to know if any of Thomas and Mary Loy's kids went on to marry
and have children of their own?





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Is there any kind soul out there who would be willing to send me a GEDCOM
file of the descendants of Thomas Ellwood, eldest son of Robert Ellwood and
Martha Saxon.

I know it is possible to find many of his descendants in various web sites,
but a Gedcom file would save an awful lot of typing!

Thomas Ellwood (181`7-1878) married

1. Elizabeth Benn
2. Elizabeth Wooldridge

and had children by both wives.




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On 5 Jul 2011 at 8:17, Genie Zappanti wrote:

> I think I figured it out, see attached. Genie

Thanks for trying, but whatever that file was, it wasn't a Gedcom file!

We can't read it at all.


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On 6 Jul 2011 at 12:32, Genie Zappanti wrote:

> Lets try it again I re-saved it as a GEDCOM 5.5 (standard) file. Let me know .

It worked on the second try, it's all hooked up now, and it lets us know that
you are my wife Val's fourth cousin once removed, the common ancestors being
Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxon.




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Another Ellwood family research problem.

We've been looking at various people's online family trees, and we find that
there was a John Ellwood, born in Alston, Cumberland, in 1748, the son of
Thomas and Mary Ellwood (see family group sheets below for details).

Some people show him as married to Mary Gibson with seven children, including
a Gibson Ellwood, whose descendants settled in the USA.

Others show him as married to an Elizabeth Hogg in Great Salkeld, Cumberland.
with an entirely different set of children.

They can't both be right, so I wonder which it is.

Here are the family group sheets showing what we have:

                      Family History System             8 Jul 2011
                      Merged Group Reports

NAME: ELLWOOD, Thomas, Born ??? 1715 in Murton, WES, ENG, Died
   ??? 1801 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 86; FATHER: ELLWOOD,
   Thomas, Born ??? 1697, Died ??? 1785 at age 88; MOTHER: Jane,
   Died 5 Feb 1727; Born:Murton,Westmorland,England
   Died:Whitehaven,Cumberland,England

MARRIED 5 Feb 1742 in see Notes, to ELLWOOD, Mary, Born ??? 1723
   in Dufton, WES, ENG, Died ??? 1789 in Alston, CUL, ENG at age
   66; FATHER: ELLWOOD, Thomas, Born ??? 1698, Died ??? 1757 at
   age 59; MOTHER: WATSON, Frances, Born ??? 1700; Thomas and
   Mary Ellwood were 4th cousins; Born:Dufton,Westmorland,England
   Died:Fairhill,Alston,Cumberland,England

CHILDREN:
  1. M  ELLWOOD, Joseph, born ??? 1742 in Dufton, WES, ENG, died
        ??? 1743
  2. F  ELLWOOD, Jane, born ??? 1745 in Knarsdale, NBL, ENG, died
        ???; Married 31 Dec 1775 to REID, Thomas
  3. M  ELLWOOD, John, born ??? 1748 in Alston, CUL, ENG, died
        ???; Married 7 Jul 1771 to GIBSON, Mary
  4. F  ELLWOOD, Frances, born ??? 1751 in Alston, CUL, ENG, died
        ???
  5. M  ELLWOOD, Thomas, born ??? 1753 in Alston, CUL, ENG, died
        13 Dec 1826 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG; Married 26 Aug 1776
        to LOWERY, Hannah; 13 children
  6. F  ELLWOOD, Mary, born ??? 1755 in see Notes
  7. F  ELLWOOD, Elizabeth, born ??? 1758 in see Notes; Married
        ??? 1782 to BROWN, John
  8. F  ELLWOOD, Ann, born ??? 1759? in see Notes, died ??? 1761
  9. F  ELLWOOD, Ann, born ??? 1751? in see Notes, died ??? 1752?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NAME: ELLWOOD, John, Born ??? 1748 in Alston, CUL, ENG, Died ???;
   FATHER: ELLWOOD, Thomas, Born ??? 1715, Died ??? 1801 at age
   86; MOTHER: ELLWOOD, Mary, Born ??? 1723, Died ??? 1789 at age
   66; Born:Alston,Cumberland,England
   Married Mary Gibson in Whitehaven and later returned to Alston.
   In the 1790s he moved to Paisley in Scotland.

MARRIED 7 Jul 1771 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, to GIBSON, Mary,
   Born 19 Feb 1748 in Moresby, CUL, ENG, Died ???; FATHER:
   GIBSON, Edward, Born ??? 1714, Died ???; MOTHER: FISHER, Mary,
   Born ??? 1718, Died ???; Married:Whitehaven,Cumberland,England

==============

If the John Ellwood born in 1748 married Mary Gibson, then who was the other
John Ellwood who married Elizabeth Hogg?

And vice versa?

Is anyone researching the Ellwoods of Great Salkeld?

If so, can you throw any light on this?


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With a whole lot more Ellwood ancestors, there also a lot more descendants
that we may be related to, and one of the things that we have discovered is
that a large number of online family trees have links to the wrong families,
with children who died in infancy being shown as having long lines of
descendants and so on.

John Ellwood (1748-?)

John Ellwood was born in Alston, Cumberland, in about 1748, the son of Thomas
and Mary Ellwood.

Some researchers show him as married to Mary Gibson born in 1748 in Moresby,
Cumberland, and having seven children, born in Whitehaven. At some point in
the late 18th century the family moved to Scotland, where some of the
children married, and some of them emigrated with their spouses to the USA.

Other researchers show this same John Ellwood as married to Elizabeth Hogg,
and having a completely different set of children.They can't both be right.

Eleanor Ellwood and Thomas Jaques (or Jacques)

In 1850 a Thomas Jaques (or Jacques) married an Eleanor Ellwood in
Whitehaven, Cumberland.

Quite a number of online trees show Eleanor (born 1829) as the daughter of
Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxton (or Saxon).

Now Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxon did indeed have a daughter Eleanor, but
she was born in 1822, not 1829, and she probably died young. The Eleanor
Ellwood who married Thomas Jaques in 1850 was probably born in 1829, but the
one who was born in 1829 was the daughter of William and Ann Ellwood, and not
the daughter of Robert and Martha.

We've looked at lots of online trees with Eleanor in them, in the hope that
some researcher has found the antecedents of William and Ann Ellwood, to see
if they link into the same Ellwood family somewhere, but so far we haven't
found any. Most of them have opted for the bogus link to Robert and Martha.

Incidentally, there was another Eleanor Ellwood, born in 1821, the daughter
of Thomas and Sarah Ellwood, who married Richard Herring in 1846 and had
descendants, but nobody seems to be interested in her, and she doesn't seem
to feature in anyone's online tree.


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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ellwood
group.

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   Description : Descendants of John Ellwood and Bridget Anderson of Whitehaven,
Cumberland

You can access this file at the URL:
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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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I've uploaded a file to the GEDCOM files section on the descendants of John
Ellwood, son of Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxon.

A while ago I asked if someone could send us a GEDCOM of the descendants of
John's elder brother Tom, and Genie Zappanti very kindly did so.

I tried to send the GEDCOM file of John's descendants to her, but it seems
that her mail reader insists on treating it as part of the message and
displaying it, rather than as an attached file. I'm not sure why that should
be, but since a Gedcom file is an Ascii file, it should be possible to save
such a message as a text file, trim off the extraneous materuial at the
beginning and the end, and import it from there. But I've uploaded it as
well, just in case.

We''ve just been getting it up to daye. We recently found that John Ellwood's
daughter Margaret married a Thomas Litster, and emigrated to Australia. We
have tried to make contact with the Australian descendants, but without
success, so we've added what we've been able to find from online sources.

Our brick wall at the moment is John Ellwood's wife, Bridget Anderson (also
born in Whitehaven in 1819). We know her father was John Anderson, but that's
it. We don't even know her mother's name.

We're also trting to follow up Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxon's other
children and their descendants. I believe that some of them also went to the
USA - does anyone else know more?




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Jennifer Guthrie wrote in an Ellwood message board some 9 years ago:

This is what I found out when I wrote my Aunt who has done much research into
both the Mattingly and Ellwood lines. (My grandmother is Lorena Maretta
Ellwood)

Andrew Thomas Ellwood, born January 28, 1898 in Newcombe, Elliott Co.,
Kentucky; died December 27, 1925 in Red Ash, Whitley Co., Kentucky. He was
the son of Samuel Wooldridge Ellwood and Rebecca B. Coburn. He married Hazel
Ellen Green March 13, 1918 in Campbell Co., Tennessee.

Hazel Ellen Green, born July 11, 1902 in Whitley Co., Kentucky; died June 13,
1972 in Louisville, Jefferson Co., Kentucky. She was the daughter of Homer
Gilmore Green and Lucy Abner.

���Thomas Ellwood was killed at the age of 27. He was shot by his Father-in-
Law, Homer Green. According to news reports, Homer had been drinking ( home
brew ) and was trying to shoot his wife, Mae with a pistol. Tom and another
man disarmed Homer, but he got a shotgun, and shot Thomas through the heart.
Homer spent two years in the state penitentiary sentenced to hard labor. Tom
was originally buried in Proctor Hollow (property of Hugh Finley), KY. When
Hazel died in 1972, the remains of Thomas were moved to Jellico Cemetery .
Hazel is buried next to him.

Their children are:
i. Gladys Evelyne Ellwood, born February 11, 1919 in Red Ash, Whitley Co.,
Kentucky; married Hunter LePhiew Pinney December 03, 1943; born February 12,
1907.

ii. Howard Wellington Ellwood, born August 26, 1921 in Red Ash, Whitley Co.,
Kentucky; died October 25, 1944 in San Francisco, California; married Maureen
June Clemence April 01, 1944; born January 08, 1926; died May 21, 1989 in
Auckland, New Zealand.�����Howard Ellwood died in San Francisco while still
in the U.S. Navy.

iii. Lorena Maretta Ellwood, born June 23, 1923 in Red Ash, Whitley Co.,
Kentucky; married Marvin Justin Mattingly June 18, 1949 in Louisville,
Jefferson Co., Kentucky.

iv. Dorothy Mae Ellwood, born November 26, 1925 in Red Ash, Whitley Co.,
Kentucky; died November 02, 1996 in Louisville, Jefferson Co., Kentucky;
married Frederick Taber June 05, 1949 in Louisville, Jefferson
Co.,Kentucky.�����Dottie was killed in Louisville, Ky by her husband. Claimed
"mercy killing" due to her advanced stage of Alzheimer's. Was tried for
murder but convicted of reckless homicide in September 1997. Was sentenced to
7 years. Will probably not have to serve due to his advanced age and his
daughters support.

���When Thomas Ellwood was killed his daughters were apparently sent to live
in an orphanage for a while.

=== end of quoted message ===

We have just discovered that the Andrew Thomas Ellwood referred to was my
wife Val's second cousin twice removed, thanks to Genie Zappantie, who sent
us the tree of that side of the family - and Jennifer's account adds several
pieces of information that Genie didn't have, so hope it will be useful.



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A couple of days ago I discovered a connection between the Ellwood and
Rushton families.

Gillian McKenna left a message for me telling what she knew of the children
of Michael Ellwood (1770-1853) and his wife Mary Atkinson (1771-1872).

Most of their children died young, except for two - Mark Ellwood (1807-1849)
who married Jane Powley and lived in London. Their son Mark Ellwood went to
Canada.

The other surviving child of Michael and Mary was Anne Ellwood (b. 1801 in
Appleby, Westmorland) who married Thomas Rushton (1805-1850) in Appleby in
1826. Thomas was the son of Mark Rushton (1772-1851) and Mary Yarker (1772-
1836).

That reminded me that I had been at school with a Mark Rushton, though we had
lost contact since leaving school. One of the interesting things about this,
however, is that seems that this Mark Rushton and Mary Yarker may well have
been his ancestors, but more about that later.

Thomas Rushton and Anne Ellwood had at least seven children, most of whom
died young. But two survived: Ellwood Rushton and Yarker Rushton.

You'd think that with names like that they would be easy to find in the
various online indexes, but not a bit of it. The trouble is, I think, that
the transcribers and compilers of online indexes could not believe that
anyone could have a name like Yarker, so they wrote Yorker, Garker, Yasser,
Yanker and various other things.

Then I thought of my old schoolfellow and thought "what if I search for his
full name?" Perhaps he's become interested in family history and has it all
sorted. So I typed "Mark Morland Rushton" as a search argument, and, Lo and
Behold, there was a fairly full family tree. It wasn't his, but it did have
someone who could well have been his grandfather. It's at:

http://jo.warby.markingtime.bigpondhosting.com/p230.htm

I followed up some of those, and managed to find a few more children and
grandchildren, some full names and the names of some spouses, so if anyone is
interested in this part of the family, please let me know.

This branch are among the descendants of Mark Ellwood (born in Dufton in
1734) and married Ann Loadman of Brough under Stainmore. Is anyone else
interested in/researching that branch of the Ellwoods?



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Hi Everyone,

I am new to the Ellwood group. I live in Montpellier, France.

I am researching Ellwoods from Westmorland. I can trace them back to Edward
Elwald from Dufton (see Bruce Morrison's site).

My ggg grandfather is John Ellwood b1807 Bongate, son of William Ellwood & Anne
Simpson.

John married in Kirkby Stephen to Margaret Parker in 1840. According to their
marriage cert, they were both previously married. I have found Margaret's 1st
marriage but have never been able to find John's 1st marriage.

On John's marriage cert of 1840 he was living Smaredale, a farmer.

Here is John's family:

John Ellwood- He was born 1807 in Bongate.
Baptism on 15 Feb 1807. He died on 02 Jan 1884 in Crosby Ravensworth.

Margaret Parker is the daughter of William Parker and Mary Nelson. She was born
1817 in
Warcop [7]. Baptism on 02 Dec 1817 in Warcop. She died on 03 Jul 1901.

John Ellwood and Margaret Parker. They were married on 16 Dec 1840 in Kirkby
Stephen. They had 8 children.

  i. Mary Anne Ellwood. She was born 1842 in Smardale. Baptism on 14 Aug
1842 in Kirkby Stephen. She died on 24 Jul 1885 in Appleby.

  ii. Isabella Ellwood. She was born 1844 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 19
Apr 1844 in Crosby Ravensworth. She died on 06 Jul 1912 in Crosby
Ravensworth.

iii. Elizabeth Ellwood. She was born 1846 in Crosby Ravensworth. She died on 08
Dec 1926 in Crosby Ravensworth.

iv. Margaret Ellwood. She was born 1849 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 13
May 1849 in CrosbyRavensworth. She died 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth.

v. John Ellwood. He was born 1851 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 06 Sep
1851 in Crosby Ravensworth. He married Alice Farrer. They were married on 01
Jun 1879. He died on 31 Jan 1921 in Warcop.

vi. Thomas Parker Ellwood. He was born 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on
09 Jun 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth.

  vii. Michael Ellwood. He was born 1856 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 12 Dec
1856 in Crosby Ravensworth. He died 1918 in Crosby Ravenaworth.

  viii. William Henry Ellwood. He was born 1861 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on
09 May 1861 in Crosby Ravensworth. He married Rachel Robertson. They were
married 1889.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Regards,

Gillian

On 25 Jul 2011 at 19:46, gillianmckenna wrote:

> I am new to the Ellwood group. I live in Montpellier, France.

Welcome! I hope we can help one another with our research, and the more the
merrier. Having different people look at research problems often makes them
easier to solve.

> I am researching Ellwoods from Westmorland. I can trace them back to Edward
> Elwald from Dufton (see Bruce Morrison's site).
>
> My ggg grandfather is John Ellwood b1807 Bongate, son of William Ellwood &
> Anne Simpson.
>
> John married in Kirkby Stephen to Margaret Parker in 1840. According to their
> marriage cert, they were both previously married. I have found Margaret's 1st
> marriage but have never been able to find John's 1st marriage.
>
> On John's marriage cert of 1840 he was living Smaredale, a farmer.

I don't think i can help there, though I have been looking at that branch of
the family (descendants of Mark Ellwood and Anne Loadman) mainly because it
was interested in what had happened to the Michael's.

>
> Here is John's family:
>
> John Ellwood- He was born 1807 in Bongate.
> Baptism on 15 Feb 1807. He died on 02 Jan 1884 in Crosby Ravensworth.
>
> Margaret Parker is the daughter of William Parker and Mary Nelson. She was
> born 1817 in Warcop [7]. Baptism on 02 Dec 1817 in Warcop. She died on 03 Jul
> 1901.
>
> John Ellwood and Margaret Parker. They were married on 16 Dec 1840 in Kirkby
> Stephen. They had 8 children.
>
>  i. Mary Anne Ellwood. She was born 1842 in Smardale. Baptism on 14 Aug
> 1842 in Kirkby Stephen. She died on 24 Jul 1885 in Appleby.

I have her with a daughter Agnes born 1870.

>  ii. Isabella Ellwood. She was born 1844 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 19
> Apr 1844 in Crosby Ravensworth. She died on 06 Jul 1912 in Crosby Ravensworth.

I have her with a daughter Margaret, born 1868.

> iii. Elizabeth Ellwood. She was born 1846 in Crosby Ravensworth. She died on
> 08 Dec 1926 in Crosby Ravensworth.
>
> iv. Margaret Ellwood. She was born 1849 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 13
> May 1849 in CrosbyRavensworth. She died 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth.
>
> v. John Ellwood. He was born 1851 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 06 Sep
> 1851 in Crosby Ravensworth. He married Alice Farrer. They were married on 01
> Jun 1879. He died on 31 Jan 1921 in Warcop.

I have him with three sons, John, Thomas and William - any more?

> vi. Thomas Parker Ellwood. He was born 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on
> 09 Jun 1854 in Crosby Ravensworth.


I didn't have him - must add him.

>  vii. Michael Ellwood. He was born 1856 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism on 12
>  Dec
> 1856 in Crosby Ravensworth. He died 1918 in Crosby Ravenaworth.
>
>  viii. William Henry Ellwood. He was born 1861 in Crosby Ravensworth. Baptism
>  on
> 09 May 1861 in Crosby Ravensworth. He married Rachel Robertson. They were
> married 1889.

I have him with a daughter Margaret. He seems to have disappeared after she
was born in 1890 though.

My wife Val's ggg grandfather was Robert Ellwood who married Martha Saxon.

For a long time they were as far back as we could go, until we discovered the
link on Bruce Morrison's site.


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Here is one of the families we are researching.

Thomas Ellwood and Hannah Lowery lived in the Whitehaven area. They had 13
children, but 12 of them have vanished without a trace. Only one, Robert,
seems to have married and left descendants (lots of them!)

We have found records of the baptism of the other 12, but nothing further --
no record of marriage or death.

Does anyone else know what happened to any of them?

Here they are?


Family Group Report
For: Thomas Ellwood  (ID=15695)
Date Prepared: 27 Jul 2011

NAME: ELLWOOD, Thomas, Born ??? 1753 in Alston, CUL, ENG, Died
   13 Dec 1826 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 73; FATHER: ELLWOOD,
   Thomas, Born ??? 1715, Died ??? 1801 at age 86; MOTHER:
   ELLWOOD, Mary, Born ??? 1723, Died ??? 1789 at age 66;
   Born:Alston,Cumberland,England
   CHR:15 APR 1753 Alston,Cumberland,England
   Died:Whitehaven,Cumberland,England
   BUR:Holy Trinity Church,Whitehaven,Cumberland,England
   Went with his brother John to work in the mines in the
   Whitehaven area in the early 1770s. After marriage at Moresby,
   he and his wife lived in Hensingham before moving to New
   Houses in Whitehaven built for miners by the Lowther family..
   In 1801 he was a miner at the Howgill Colliery.

MARRIED 26 Aug 1776 in Moresby, CUL, ENG, to LOWERY, Hannah,
   Born Apr 1754 in Hensingham, CUL, ENG, Died 6 Mar 1808 in
   Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 53; FATHER: LOWERY, John; MOTHER:
   WARD, Janet, Born ??? 1725; Married:Moresby,Cumberland,England;
   Born:Hensingham,Cumberland,England
   Died:Whitehaven,Cumberland,England
   BUR:Holy Trinity Church,Whitehaven,Cumberland,England

CHILDREN:
  1. M  ELLWOOD, John, born ??? 1777 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  2. M  ELLWOOD, Edward, born ??? 1778 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  3. M  ELLWOOD, Thomas, born ??? 1778 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  4. F  ELLWOOD, Mary, born ??? 1780 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  5. M  ELLWOOD, William, born ??? 1782 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  6. M  ELLWOOD, Joseph, born ??? 1784 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  7. F  ELLWOOD, Hannah, born ??? 1787 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
  8. M  ELLWOOD, Robert, born 11 Jan 1789 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died 24 Jan 1862 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG; Married 16 Apr
        1816 to SAXON, Martha; 1 child
  9. M  ELLWOOD, Samuel, born ??? 1791 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
10. F  ELLWOOD, Jane, born ??? 1793 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
11. M  ELLWOOD, Isaac, born ??? 1795 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
12. M  ELLWOOD, John, born ??? 1795 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???
13. M  ELLWOOD, Henry, born ??? 1798 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG,
        died ???


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Hello All,

I came accross this story about Ellwoods of Dufton from the archives of the
Cumberland & Westmorland Herald.

Enjoy!

Gillian

Cumberland & Westmorland Herald

Saturday, 21 August 2004
Recent contributions include a fascinating batch of typed manuscripts, dated
1953, all concerning the village of Dufton and, in particular, the Ellwood
family who once resided at Dufton Hall.
The Ellwoods were an old land-owning family who, as far back as 1653, bought a
property near the hall, known as Hall Gate, formerly owned by John Langhorn,
until he "went beyond the seas".
One of the articles is based on a diary kept by John Ellwood, who resided at
Dufton Hall during the mid-1800s.
John clearly relished good food in ample quantity, for he recorded having hosted
the Rev. John Richardson, headmaster of Appleby Grammar School, and treating him
to a most wonderful dinner.
According to the Ellwood diary for 25th November, 1860, "We had a roast goose
and a boiled round of beef and plum pudding and all sorts of fruit for desert.
We had bitter bottled beer and draught beer and sherry and port wine to drink at
dinner."
And that was not all, for "after dinner we had sherry, port and sweet wines and
brandy, whiskey, rum and gin".
It is not surprising that Mr. Richardson returned a week later, accompanied by
his son and, also, one of the Appleby Grammar School boarders. This time the
menu consisted of "roast sirloin of beef, boiled leg of mutton, plum pudding,
desert, beer and wines, as before".
Dinner-time details dominated the diary entries, for on Christmas day John
Ellwood and his guests sat down to a roast goose, roast sirloin of beef, plum
pudding and "all other requisites".
The articles, kindly sent by David Foster, Leyburn, North Yorkshire, are clearly
the work of the distinguished historian and journalist, C. Roy Hudleston, who
was editor of the Penrith Observer in the 1950s and enriched its pages with many
articles of local history. He later co-wrote the fine book, Cumberland Families
and Heraldry.

On 28 Jul 2011 at 19:01, Gillian Mc kenna wrote:

> I came accross this story about Ellwoods of Dufton from the archives of the
> Cumberland & Westmorland Herald.
>
> Enjoy!

I did -- thanks very much.

He seems to have anticipated the concern with food that one sees in so many
blogs and TV programmes nowadays!


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Thomas certainly seems to have been popular among the Ellwoods!

And I'm looking for the parents of another one.

He was born about 1803, some sources say in Brampton (which I understand is
near Appleby) and others say in Skelsmergh (which I understand is near
Kendal).

He married Isabella Dent in Morland in 1827, and they had four children.
Isabella died in about 1840.

Thomas then married Elizabeth Graham, the widow of Joseph Graham (maiden name
Burton),  and they had three more children.

One online tree gives Thomas's parents as William Ellwood and Ann Simpson.
But Gillian has said that their Thomas (who was a year or two older) married
An Fawsett. I see a lot of other people have him married to Anne Townsend.

Looking at what's available on family search I think the most likely parents
for this Thomas are Edward and Abigail of the Kendal area.

Is anyone researching this family?

I got into it because I was looking for a Robert Ellwood, son of Robert
Ellwood and Martha Saxon, born about 1827. According to some people he
emigrated to the US, but if he did there doesn't seem to be much record of
it. But FamilySeach kept throwing up another Robert -- Robert Dent Ellwood,
son of Thomas and Isabella, born in 1831. So I got side-tracked into
following him up. His younger brother Richard emigrated to Canada in 1887,
but seems not to have liked it much, since he returned to Westmorland in
1891.

So I hope my sidetrack information is useful to someone!



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Hi All

Have been reading all the posts and came across this one. I've now purchased the
marriage record of Thomas Jacques and Eleanor Ellwood in the hopes of clearing
up the mystery of my GGGG Grandparents ... I'm now waiting on it's delivery and
will post a copy of the certificate when it arrives.

I'm not looking forward to having to change all the Ellwoods in my tree .. but
for the sake of accuracy .. must be done.

Cheers
Greta

--- In ellwood@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...> wrote:
>
> With a whole lot more Ellwood ancestors, there also a lot more descendants
> that we may be related to, and one of the things that we have discovered is
> that a large number of online family trees have links to the wrong families,
> with children who died in infancy being shown as having long lines of
> descendants and so on.
>
> John Ellwood (1748-?)
>
> John Ellwood was born in Alston, Cumberland, in about 1748, the son of Thomas
> and Mary Ellwood.
>
> Some researchers show him as married to Mary Gibson born in 1748 in Moresby,
> Cumberland, and having seven children, born in Whitehaven. At some point in
> the late 18th century the family moved to Scotland, where some of the
> children married, and some of them emigrated with their spouses to the USA.
>
> Other researchers show this same John Ellwood as married to Elizabeth Hogg,
> and having a completely different set of children.They can't both be right.
>
> Eleanor Ellwood and Thomas Jaques (or Jacques)
>
> In 1850 a Thomas Jaques (or Jacques) married an Eleanor Ellwood in
> Whitehaven, Cumberland.
>
> Quite a number of online trees show Eleanor (born 1829) as the daughter of
> Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxton (or Saxon).
>
> Now Robert Ellwood and Martha Saxon did indeed have a daughter Eleanor, but
> she was born in 1822, not 1829, and she probably died young. The Eleanor
> Ellwood who married Thomas Jaques in 1850 was probably born in 1829, but the
> one who was born in 1829 was the daughter of William and Ann Ellwood, and not
> the daughter of Robert and Martha.
>
> We've looked at lots of online trees with Eleanor in them, in the hope that
> some researcher has found the antecedents of William and Ann Ellwood, to see
> if they link into the same Ellwood family somewhere, but so far we haven't
> found any. Most of them have opted for the bogus link to Robert and Martha.
>
> Incidentally, there was another Eleanor Ellwood, born in 1821, the daughter
> of Thomas and Sarah Ellwood, who married Richard Herring in 1846 and had
> descendants, but nobody seems to be interested in her, and she doesn't seem
> to feature in anyone's online tree.
>
>
> --
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>

On 31 Jul 2011 at 10:35, Greta wrote:

> Have been reading all the posts and came across this one. I've now purchased
> the marriage record of Thomas Jacques and Eleanor Ellwood in the hopes of
> clearing up the mystery of my GGGG Grandparents ... I'm now waiting on it's
> delivery and will post a copy of the certificate when it arrives.

That would certainly be interesting.

I can send you what I have on that family if you are interested -- if others
are interested too I could upload it to the forum web site.


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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ellwood
group.

   File        : /Trees/EllwoodJacques.pdf
   Uploaded by : hayesstw <hayesstw@...>
   Description : Descendants of William and ann Ellwood of Whitehaven (including
Jacques family)

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellwood/files/Trees/EllwoodJacques.pdf

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On 31 Jul 2011 at 11:16, Genie Zappanti wrote:

> Please do, I am interested in learning about ALL the Ellwoods.
> Genie

OK, watch our for an announcement here, and follow the link.


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