... Go take a look at Helge Fauskanger's excellent site at: http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/ You'll find information about all of Tolkien's languages there. ...
4887
BP Jonsson
bpj@...
May 1, 2001 8:48 am
... Probably these languages, like e.g. Basque and Mongolian inflect the entire **noun prase** for case and number rather than the individual noun. /BP 8^)> --...
4888
David Kiltz
kiltzd@...
May 1, 2001 9:23 am
... Yes and no. When you first start learning Korean people will tell to use the inflections. It is not wrong to use them. However, there's a strong sense of...
4889
Helge K. Fauskanger
helge.fauskanger@...
May 2, 2001 1:46 am
Rejoice all ye people; I have just uploaded Lesson 14 of my Quenya course (added to the file that already contains lessons 11, 12, and 13; you'll have to...
4890
David Nowakowski
aragorn250@...
May 6, 2001 8:53 am
Aiya! I have been pondering the subject of Quenya ordinal numbers for some time now, and have been unable to find any attested besides _minya_ "first" _tatya_...
4891
Andreas Johansson
and_yo@...
May 6, 2001 8:13 pm
... Rather _cantya_ perhaps? _Canya_ looks like it's from KAN "dare" (Etym) or KAN "call, cry" (QaE). ... This doesn't feel right to me, but I don't know if I...
4892
ryan_cross@...
May 7, 2001 8:02 am
Suilad, mellyn! My name is Ryan Cross and I just joined this list. I'm writing this message to introduce myself as well as share a brief text in Quenya and a...
4893
NiennaSorrowing@...
May 8, 2001 3:04 am
Hello, I've been a lurker here for a while, and have decided to break my silence because I have a semi-urgent question, my current poem being impossible to...
4894
Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
May 8, 2001 9:33 am
... You are welcome! I hope you will like this list! ... Below I give some ideas of mine, I am skipping what I am not sure about, and also vocabulary I do not...
4895
SKC8563@...
May 9, 2001 9:56 am
"Lukas Novak" wrote: (all skip) ... In his wonderful Quenya Lesson 12, (Verbal or Abstract nouns and how they interact with the Genitive and Possessive cases.)...
4896
Gildor Inglorion
gildor@...
May 9, 2001 10:29 am
"erukyerme"... one of the words that bring us trouble... one of the canditates to be misread by Christopher Tolkien from another word... some think that maybe...
4897
Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
May 10, 2001 7:14 am
Hello, Nienna, ... I am afraid there is no other mood known in Quenya than indicative and imperative. As far as I know, the only attested substitute is for the...
4898
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 10, 2001 7:23 am
... My earlier suggestion was that _kyerme_ (if indeed that's not a misreading) was an archaic form. It is not uncommon for words in the ritual vocabulary of a...
4899
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 10, 2001 7:43 am
... Yes but give me more time on that :-) -David...
4900
Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
May 10, 2001 8:59 am
... But the difference is that in "luumenna"; the meaning is that of "direction", while here it is rather that of "place". Both meanings are expressed by...
4901
DDanielA@...
May 10, 2001 9:02 am
David Kiltz deithant: I wonder whether they wd have changed the _orthography_ of the word even if their pronun- ciation might have differed from the actual...
4902
Bjorn Fromen
bjorn.fromen@...
May 10, 2001 1:00 pm
... This seems to me the most likely explanation, in view of another instance of Q. -ky- that surfaced recently. In one of the "Notes on _Óre_", published in...
4903
dsalo@...
May 10, 2001 4:10 pm
... g)
> was an archaic form. It is not uncommon for words in the ritual vocabular= y
> of a language to become "fossilized". That is, a term like "Erukyerme"...
4904
Andreas Johansson
and_yo@...
May 10, 2001 8:59 pm
... Well, it's probably possible per se, but IMHO not very likely. The other festival-names seem to be standard Quenya, and _erukyerme_ still looks more like Q...
4905
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 11, 2001 9:56 am
... Well, the change *ky > Q. ty must have taken place very early. In one Q. word for the "Petty Dwarves" _pitya-naukor_ it is present. This "tranlation" of a...
4906
DDanielA@...
May 11, 2001 4:58 pm
David Kiltz deithant: <dsalo@...> wrote: The original pronunciation, and Feanorian spelling, of words like tyelpe "silver" was _kyelpe_ (calma +...
4907
dsalo@...
May 11, 2001 7:43 pm
... That's only relevant if you assume that Tolkien's work was completely coherent and consistent in all of its stages of development. There's enough evidence...
4908
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 12, 2001 1:55 pm
... There's no indication whatsoever that Tolkien's representation of Quenya in latin characters has any relation to the Tengwar writing. For example: Tolkien...
4909
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 12, 2001 1:56 pm
... You're right. I misread that part....
4910
David Kiltz
kiareh@...
May 12, 2001 2:19 pm
There was a palatal tectal (or platalized velar)_KY_ in PQ. That became at some time _TY_ in Quenya. Assuming the sound shift to be regular we end up with a...
4911
Eleder
josugp@...
May 13, 2001 12:32 am
... And how would be called then? *_kyermeteema_? ;) It's possible to express the _ky_ sound with the tengwars, obviously. But the fact that it's in discussion...
4912
Andreas Johansson
and_yo@...
May 13, 2001 12:35 pm
... i) What does 'tectal' mean? ii) You assume {ky} to denote an genuine cluster k+j? If so, one might've expected it to be mentioned in the list of possible...
4913
Andreas Johansson
and_yo@...
May 13, 2001 12:42 pm
... This may mean that the Númenóreans used the Quenya spelling for this name, or Tolkien "restoring" the Q spelling before romanization or simply him giving...
4914
Lukas Novak
lukas.novak@...
May 13, 2001 3:57 pm
... What I like on this solution is that it does not require to regard the word as irregularity. But is there any analogical "devocalisation" of "-i-" after a...
4915
David Salo
dsalo@...
May 13, 2001 9:44 pm
... There are obvious differences, of course, mostly due to constraints on the typefaces available (in print or on a typewriter) to Tolkien; he could not...
