Hello elves,



My name is Sofía. This is the first time I post something on this group,

although Im a frequent visitor and avid reader of your exchanges.



The reason why I'm writing today is because I'm in a bit of a dead end.

I've tried to translate a phrase into Quenya, but as I know that my attempt

represents an insult to Tolkien's creation, I would like to know if anyone could

come to my rescue.



This is what I managed to do using Helge Fauskanger's wordlists (by the way,

thank you very much for making that available).



Please, bare in mind that I only managed to translate word by word (and I'm

actually not sure if I even got that right):



Happiness only real when shared

Alassë er anwa írë hyanda.



I would also like to know if there's any place where I can turn that (or

anything in Elvish) into Tengwar.



Thank you all very much in advance, and please excuse my English!





Regards from Buenos Aires,

Sofía

Hi Sofia

The following files describe how to write Tengwar in Quenya or Sindarin modes.

http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/teng-que.pdf

http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/teng-sin.pdf

Maybe this is what you are looking for ?

Bob



--- In elfling@yahoogroups.com, "sofia.estevez" <sofia.estevez@...> wrote:

>

> Hello elves,

>

> My name is Sofía. This is the first time I post something on this group,

although Im a frequent visitor and avid reader of your exchanges.

>

> The reason why I'm writing today is because I'm in a bit of a dead end.

> I've tried to translate a phrase into Quenya, but as I know that my attempt

represents an insult to Tolkien's creation, I would like to know if anyone could

come to my rescue.

>

> This is what I managed to do using Helge Fauskanger's wordlists (by the way,

thank you very much for making that available).

>

> Please, bare in mind that I only managed to translate word by word (and I'm

actually not sure if I even got that right):

>

> Happiness only real when shared

> Alassë er anwa írë hyanda.

>

> I would also like to know if there's any place where I can turn that (or

anything in Elvish) into Tengwar.

>

> Thank you all very much in advance, and please excuse my English!

>

>

> Regards from Buenos Aires,

> Sofía

>

Sofia wrote:



  > Happiness only real when shared

Alassë er anwa írë hyanda.



Well, _hyanda_ means "blade, share" as a noun.



"To share" is one of those difficult terms we don't have a quite perfect

translation for. We may paraphrase as "give to others a piece/part"

(anta exin ranta).



"Only" is also a problematic word. We do have _er_ in an early wordlist

(LT1:269/QL:36) but according to material published in Vinyar Tengwar

#48:6 and 49:54, Tolkien later used _er_ as a numeral "one" (cf. also

_Eru er_ "one God", Vinyar Tengwar 44:17). [About Vinyar Tengwar, see

footnote.]



We might say something like:



_I erya (n)anwa alasse ná antaina exin_ = the sole true happiness is

given to others



or



_Alasse ua (n)anwa qui uas antaina exin_ = happiness is not real if it

is not given to others



or



_Alasse ua (n)anwa qui ual samitas as exi_ = happiness is not real if

you do not have it together with others



or maybe the best:



_Alasse ua (n)anwa qui ual etsatitas_ = happiness is not real if you do

not distribute it



(We have both _nanwa_ and _anwa_ attested as words for "real".)



I hope this doesn't become overly wordy for your taste.



- HKF



P.S. Since there may be some relative newcomers among us now, perhaps

including Sofia, I should probably mention that Vinyar Tengwar was a

Tolkien-linguistic publication appearing in the period 1988-2007. It

gained particular importance during its final decade, when it actually

published previously unknown Tolkien material. The reasons for its

regrettable demise in 2007 are obscure, since there plainly remains a

vast wealth of material that could be published. Apparently the (former)

editor, Carl F. Hostetter, vaguely plans to revive his journal -- and we

must wish him the best of luck.

Hi Helga and Sofia

I think there may be some confusion going on here with the meaning of "share" as

a noun. If hyanda is given as a noun with the translation "blade, share", this

seems more likely to refer to a plough-share, which is the blade part of a

plough, rather than the alternative meaning of "share" as a portion of

something.  Consequently, using hyanda to construct the verb "to share" would be

incorrect.

Bob

Well yes, but the English verb share does go back to the AS� sceran, also

source of later 'share, blade'.

There is the attested Q verb _etsat-/estat-_ 'divide in equal

proportions, which in itself could develop the sense of� cut into

portions and give some to others', (maybe with some sort of comitative

to follow), or perhaps one could coin *osat- 'divide out together'.

�

Thomas Ferencz





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