To address my own little challenge the other day: Here is a text intended to illustrate the main changes in two phases of Quenya development: OLD QUENYA: ...
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Helge K. Fauskanger
helge.fauskanger@...
Nov 27, 2011 8:46 am
I am currently tryng to translate some more Bible text into Neo-Quenya, and I feel it's going relatively smoothly, but I shall need to coin a couple of words: ...
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pfstrack
Nov 27, 2011 8:47 am
This looks good to me. My suggestions: 1) I think you need to be careful about [r]. Not all of them are from [s] > [z] > [r]. For example, I think the [r] in...
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BPJ
melroch
Nov 27, 2011 7:04 pm
... Since the Indo-European etymological database, or at least the free version of it, has gone offline (which I said something Orcish about!) I looked up...
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dreamingfifi
elvenswordsmith
Nov 29, 2011 4:36 am
... I apologize if that was vague. I picked up the term in my phonetics class, and it was used to represent the differences in the constriction of the glottis....
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dreamingfifi
elvenswordsmith
Nov 29, 2011 4:36 am
Listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdfYy4gW9L4&feature=player_embedded It sounds to me like the Os aren't open. Are my ears fooling me then?...
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Jay Lawson
jay.lawson@...
Nov 29, 2011 4:37 am
I would like to inform everyone that I now have a new website which has an analysis and eventual expansion of Khuzdul. You can find the site at: ...
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Diego Seguí
tirachinas
Nov 29, 2011 4:37 am
... Note that Gk. _sinapi_ has a long alpha, so the Q loanword could be _sinápi/e_ instead (stem _i-_, like in Gk gen. _sinápios_). That means shifting the...
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Olivier Scheeck
olivier.scheeck
Nov 29, 2011 9:39 pm
On the subject of mustard, it seems that the word is composed of *mustum *(young wine) and *ardent *(hot), which is not very surprising since mustard contains...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Nov 29, 2011 9:39 pm
... No. He has [É”] in places where English allows it, and a slightly diphthongized or reduced lowish [o] elsewhere. In other words, he has an English accent! ...
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Phillip Wayne
exuyangi
Nov 29, 2011 9:40 pm
... possibly some Semitic source in the case of alabaster, and at least _sinapi_ may have felt like a foreignism to Greek speakers, so I'd suggest borrowing...
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BPJ
melroch
Nov 29, 2011 9:40 pm
... Why not with X-SAMPA: "r\"? <http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA> or the rather more pliable CXS derivative: <http://www.theiling.de/ipa/> However...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Nov 30, 2011 8:02 pm
... Or why not just with the IPA? Yahoo Mail doesn't have any objection to [ɹ], does it? My previous phonetic symbols appear to have gone through ok, and as ...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Nov 30, 2011 8:02 pm
... There were originally distinct tengwa used for the three original sounds: #25 for [r] < *[r], #21 for [r] < [r\] < *[d] and #31 for †[z] < *[s]. This ...
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Diego Seguí
tirachinas
Nov 30, 2011 8:02 pm
... _albatos_ is given as the earlier form of Gk _alábastron_ in www.etymonline.com, but I'd say that it's just a mistake for _alábastos_ (which is the...
What is the evidence that [r] (alveolar trill) > [r\] (alveolar approximant)? That's a fairly unusual phonetic change to occur without outside influence,...
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Mans
mansbjorkman
Dec 2, 2011 9:45 pm
... Sorry, but on my screen your phonetic symbol turns up as "E with acute accent + raised 1". Most characters outside of the ASCII range seem to get mangled,...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
On PE19:69-70, Tolkien describes primitive intervocalic *[d] becoming a "weak untrilled r" distinct from the original (trilled) *[r]. From there, it merged...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
That's my experience as well. I saw Julian's original IPA symbol fine, but it got mangled in the reply from Måns. It seems like characters in the Latin-1...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
... I suppose you're reading it on the web site, rather than by email? In that case, it appears you need to select the character encoding your browser uses...
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Jonathon Omahen
trumpetingba...
Dec 4, 2011 7:32 pm
I do apologise for my interjection, but we must be absolutely as precise as possible when discussing phonetics, since such changes can be altered by the most...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... That's right. _alabastron_ means 'container made of alabaster': ...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... Unicode gets mangled most of the time even if you read by email. I guess it's pretty much sheer luck if the sender's mailer succeeds to send, and the...
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Mans
mansbjorkman
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... You are quite right on all counts. I went back and checked your original message with the character set to UTF-8, and now it looked just fine. I feel...
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Harm J. Schelhaas
mithrennaith
Dec 4, 2011 7:34 pm
... I’m also seeing the same as Måns does, and have the same general experience with the yahoogroup lists. ... I don’t think Måns necessarily does, I do...
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Damien
elendil.voronda
Dec 4, 2011 7:34 pm
... I am afraid there is an attested word for "alabaster", so adaptation should be ruled out in this case, I believe. Cf. Gnomish Lexicon, p. 24: "_Bringlast_...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 4, 2011 8:30 pm
No worries. It is very likely that I *am* misinterpreting the symbols, since my own knowledge of phonetics is rather weak. For example, I didn't know about...
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iiipitaka
Dec 4, 2011 8:35 pm
... Unfortunately Gnomish is not helpful in this case. The second element is Goldogrin glast (Qenya alas(t-)) "marble". That would point to a root GhALAS >...
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Phillip Wayne
exuyangi
Dec 5, 2011 2:11 am
I am not sure if makes any difference, but Spanish has maintained both a flapped (ere) and a trilled (erre) r. I can't see anything against having a third...
