What is the evidence that [r] (alveolar trill) > [r\] (alveolar approximant)? That's a fairly unusual phonetic change to occur without outside influence,...
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Mans
mansbjorkman
Dec 2, 2011 9:45 pm
... Sorry, but on my screen your phonetic symbol turns up as "E with acute accent + raised 1". Most characters outside of the ASCII range seem to get mangled,...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
On PE19:69-70, Tolkien describes primitive intervocalic *[d] becoming a "weak untrilled r" distinct from the original (trilled) *[r]. From there, it merged...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
That's my experience as well. I saw Julian's original IPA symbol fine, but it got mangled in the reply from Måns. It seems like characters in the Latin-1...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Dec 3, 2011 5:55 am
... I suppose you're reading it on the web site, rather than by email? In that case, it appears you need to select the character encoding your browser uses...
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Jonathon Omahen
trumpetingba...
Dec 4, 2011 7:32 pm
I do apologise for my interjection, but we must be absolutely as precise as possible when discussing phonetics, since such changes can be altered by the most...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... That's right. _alabastron_ means 'container made of alabaster': ...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... Unicode gets mangled most of the time even if you read by email. I guess it's pretty much sheer luck if the sender's mailer succeeds to send, and the...
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Mans
mansbjorkman
Dec 4, 2011 7:33 pm
... You are quite right on all counts. I went back and checked your original message with the character set to UTF-8, and now it looked just fine. I feel...
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Harm J. Schelhaas
mithrennaith
Dec 4, 2011 7:34 pm
... I’m also seeing the same as Måns does, and have the same general experience with the yahoogroup lists. ... I don’t think Måns necessarily does, I do...
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Damien
elendil.voronda
Dec 4, 2011 7:34 pm
... I am afraid there is an attested word for "alabaster", so adaptation should be ruled out in this case, I believe. Cf. Gnomish Lexicon, p. 24: "_Bringlast_...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 4, 2011 8:30 pm
No worries. It is very likely that I *am* misinterpreting the symbols, since my own knowledge of phonetics is rather weak. For example, I didn't know about...
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iiipitaka
Dec 4, 2011 8:35 pm
... Unfortunately Gnomish is not helpful in this case. The second element is Goldogrin glast (Qenya alas(t-)) "marble". That would point to a root GhALAS >...
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Phillip Wayne
exuyangi
Dec 5, 2011 2:11 am
I am not sure if makes any difference, but Spanish has maintained both a flapped (ere) and a trilled (erre) r. I can't see anything against having a third...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Dec 5, 2011 2:11 am
... I have to wonder why you feel this. Many of us speak a language in which /r/ is variably realized as a trill, tap or approximant, depending on dialect,...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 5, 2011 1:27 pm
... That applies to me: my L1 moreover distinguishes between single and geminate consonants (all consonants except /h j v\/ can be either short or long), and...
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Cara Loup
caraloup
Dec 6, 2011 2:52 pm
A good day to everyone! I have been looking into the Quenya declension system beyond the paradigms given in the Plotz Letter, and while there are many...
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Damien
elendil.voronda
Dec 6, 2011 2:53 pm
... This would not (by far) be the only case of homophonous roots in Primitive Elvish — as a short look at _The Etymologies_ shows. Hence, there is...
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blair_whitmer
Dec 6, 2011 2:53 pm
Hi! I'm brand new to this group, and I have a question. I've been doing some fundamental research into Quenya and want to properly translate the term 'Lord of...
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dreamingfifi
elvenswordsmith
Dec 6, 2011 2:53 pm
... Yahoo!Groups hasn't aged very well. Or rather, it hasn't aged at all. It isn't a very good place to base a linguistic discussion forum. It's odd that this...
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iiipitaka
Dec 6, 2011 3:41 pm
... I've had a long look at The Etymologies -- several long looks. And Tolkien took some care to keep his Primitive Quendian roots distinct in form and...
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 7, 2011 4:33 am
Your confusion is understandable. Both _cáleo_ and _cáleva_ have the same English translation: "of light". Briefly, -va is the "possessive/adjectival" case....
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Paul Strack
pfstrack
Dec 7, 2011 4:33 am
So far as I know, there aren't any examples in the published materials. There are only a handful of attested Quenya nouns ending in -i, mostly feminine nouns...
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BPJ
melroch
Dec 7, 2011 4:33 am
... In my case because editing in any form but plain text is downright painful, because I have a motor disability and want to use the mouse as little as...
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blair_whitmer
Dec 7, 2011 5:23 am
... Oops!! I mean the *noun* Cále, not verb... not enough caffeine. :) -Blair...
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Julian Bradfield
jcbradfield
Dec 7, 2011 2:33 pm
... Hear, hear! ... Huzza! ... More, more! ... TolkLang is still working, and its archives will remain accessible (and searchable) as long as I'm around (and...
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Helge K. Fauskanger
helge.fauskanger@...
Dec 8, 2011 6:50 am
Inching my way through the Gospel of Mark I encountered a new problematic word: "Envy." Sure enough, we have Quenya words for greed and desire, but envy isn't ...
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iiipitaka
Dec 8, 2011 7:25 am
... The Greek root PHTHON is not further analysable. It may originally have meant something like 'diminishing' or 'making small'. It doesn't seem like...
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Phillip Wayne
exuyangi
Dec 8, 2011 3:58 pm
Just a couple of notes here. First, the modern usage of 'envy' didn't coming into use until about the middle of the 1700s. Before that, it meant 'malice', or...
