... my ... books ... Hi Renee, Since you want to learn the languages, I would highly recomend visiting Fauskanger's site at http://folk.uib.no//hnohf/ and...
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Thorsten Renk
trenk@...
Jan 18, 2009 1:46 pm
... There is a common, but nevertheless wrong assumption in what you write here, and that is that coincidence of forms in two languages implies borrowing, a...
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Thorsten Renk
trenk@...
Jan 18, 2009 1:46 pm
... Since Tolkien took some time in PE17 pointing out that 'try harder' should not be translated literally, but is expressed in Quenya using the verb followed...
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 18, 2009 1:46 pm
Very interesting. I believe that Quenya was largely inspired by Finnish as well, I think I remember reading that somewhere in Helge's materials. Thanks for...
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Rebecca
rebeccakjoyce
Jan 18, 2009 1:48 pm
I'm contemplating a tattoo - the word "believe" in some form of Elvish. I'm aware that I can choose either Quenya or Sindarin translations of the word. I could...
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Susan Frances Edwards
tuilinde42
Jan 20, 2009 1:30 pm
Greetings! The next part of my poem coming up! The sections already posted have had some corrections made, courtesy of Petri and the Mellonath Daeron, so...
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Roman Rausch
rausch_roman
Jan 20, 2009 1:30 pm
... As Thorsten has mentioned it, there is a lot about it written here: http://sindanoorie.atspace.com/Similarities.htm Chinese _ta_ is also mentioned in the...
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 20, 2009 1:30 pm
So should the phrasing be kind of like "I want to understand more of you"? ... -- Sent from my mobile device And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high...
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 20, 2009 1:31 pm
I don't mean to get a little off topic, but is there a list of Tolkien's books in chronological order in time? I want to get them in order to read through. ......
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Susan Frances Edwards
tuilinde42
Jan 20, 2009 1:31 pm
Thorsten mentioned Roman Rausch's article on the similarities between real world languages and Tolkien's. I was re-reading it only the other week. You can...
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Jussi Hattara
jjhattara
Jan 20, 2009 1:31 pm
... What you remember quite correct. There are lots of parts in Quenya that were almost directly borrowed or very strongly influenced by Finnish. E.g. the case...
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Susan Frances Edwards
tuilinde42
Jan 20, 2009 1:31 pm
Thank you, Thorsten, that had not occured to me. Although I have PE17 I haven't absorbed it thoroughly yet. So would that give us _Mran anhani_ for _I...
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Benct Philip Jonsson
melroch
Jan 20, 2009 8:18 pm
... It has to be pointed out however that no European language has a clusivitivty distinction in first person plural, but Quenya has, so unless T. reinvented...
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Thorsten Renk
trenk@...
Jan 21, 2009 2:11 am
... No. Consier the pattern which is indicated here: _á kare sí añkárie_ 'try harder' (PE17:94) _á lire am(a)lírie_ 'sing harder' (PE17:94) _ā kene...
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TF
percival64
Jan 21, 2009 2:11 am
Hi Tuilinde, I would say *merin hanya anhanie shine on, Atwe Thomas Ferencz Let's discuss Eldarin languages - http://aglardh.middangeard.org.uk Tolkien...
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Roman Rausch
rausch_roman
Jan 21, 2009 2:12 am
... It seems that you're right, see PE17:135: 'There are other features of course that are unusual, mostly not European, such as [...]' In the following list,...
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Benct Philip Jonsson
melroch
Jan 21, 2009 9:02 am
... That would be the prenasalized stops _*mb, *nd, *g_ of Primitive Elvish. The hotbed for such sounds is Africa, with another cluster in East Asia (e.g....
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meneldilv
Jan 26, 2009 3:22 am
... Yeah, I think that prenasalised stops are indeed only probable non-european phonological influence. I'd say that Tolkien's sound systems are usually quite...
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narfinde
Jan 26, 2009 3:22 am
'nauvan' 'nauvanye' Same thing? '-nye' is just the formal. Correct? I need Another syllable and '-nye' would work famously....
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 26, 2009 3:23 am
Thorsten, thanks so much, that makes a lot of sense. It seems the hardest thing about learning Quenya is in learning the "elvish" way of expressing things,...
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tuilinde42
Jan 26, 2009 3:24 am
Thank you Thorsten, and also Thomas. I've now done what I should have done before, and spent proper time studying the relevant part of PE 17. With something in...
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Susan Frances Edwards
tuilinde42
Jan 26, 2009 3:24 am
Greetings! Here is the rest of the poem, enjoy! I'll put notes etc. up next time. Nai elen estelo siluva tielyannar! Tuilinde ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ IV vii Ela!...
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bakven
Jan 26, 2009 3:24 am
Im not sure which way is the best one to write this frase "What which doesnt kill you strenghtens" here are some options ive come up with: Tai umely mac...
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firielperedhel
Jan 26, 2009 3:25 am
Tyler, Here is a link to a page that gives the order to read Tolkien's books: http://home.earthlink.net/~dbratman/tolkien_order.html I hope this helps. Friel...
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Thorsten Renk
trenk@...
Jan 27, 2009 1:30 am
... Yes, as far as I know it's the same thing, there is no evidence for a distinction between formal and informal. See The Quenya Pronominal System - a summary...
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Thorsten Renk
trenk@...
Jan 27, 2009 1:30 am
... Yes - but this is also the most fascinating aspect. Personally, I found it (and still find it) much harder to understand the aesthetic ideas behind Quenya...
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 27, 2009 1:31 am
Yes and no. I think they can pretty much be used interchangeably, but I'm not sure if it's more 'proper' to say -ny over -n. For me, since I'm trying to...
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Tyler Kocheran
rfkrockteekers
Jan 27, 2009 1:31 am
That helps very much, thank you. _Merin cend i parmar canwass_ Thanks! ... -- And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of ...
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Palatinus
elfiness
Jan 27, 2009 1:22 pm
I am not a highly educated person but I believe that once you study at least 2 foreign languages, no matter how superficially, you start understanding that the...
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Maike
maikedulk
Jan 29, 2009 1:13 pm
Suilad, I made a sort of collage of still images on "the Song of Eärendil" (by Bilbo) as performed by the Tolkien Ensemble: ...
