Both Tom Bombadil and Treebeard claim the title of eldest but who is really

eldest?



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Perhaps they both are: Treebeard being the eldest of created beings of Arda (as

opposed to the pre-Arda created beings such as the Ainur), since we know that

the Ents were created by Yvanna and Tom Bombadil is the Eldest, i.e., the oldest

living being in Middle-earth even though he is most likely a maia of Valinor

who, like Melian, decided not to retire to the Undying Lands. And who knows? He

may still reside in some hidden Wood of Middle-earth with his fair Goldenberry.



   Arthur



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I disagree, Although Treebeard claims the title of eldest as well as Tom

Bombadil the Dwarves were made by Aule then Yavanna pleaded with Illuvatar

because the dwarves would cut down all the tress they were then put to rest till

the elves came, so is it possible that the 7 fathers are eldes.  I personally

think Tom Bombadil is something else entirely made at approximately the same

time as the Valar but only in spirit, after all Illutavatar could have made

something before the ainur.



Arthur Boccaccio <elhanan_austin@...> wrote:  Perhaps they both are:

Treebeard being the eldest of created beings of Arda (as opposed to the pre-Arda

created beings such as the Ainur), since we know that the Ents were created by

Yvanna and Tom Bombadil is the Eldest, i.e., the oldest living being in

Middle-earth even though he is most likely a maia of Valinor who, like Melian,

decided not to retire to the Undying Lands. And who knows? He may still reside

in some hidden Wood of Middle-earth with his fair Goldenberry.



Arthur



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Ents are biological entities, ceated after the Dwarves



Tom is a sprite that existed with the Arda and is a

part of it, and was there before the Valar came.



PS. Iluvatar, with one L



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--- Gollum Smeagol <dolenrod@...> έγραψε:



> I disagree, Although Treebeard claims the title of

> eldest as well as Tom Bombadil the Dwarves were made

> by Aule then Yavanna pleaded with Illuvatar because

> the dwarves would cut down all the tress they were

> then put to rest till the elves came, so is it

> possible that the 7 fathers are eldes.  I personally

> think Tom Bombadil is something else entirely made

> at approximately the same time as the Valar but only

> in spirit, after all Illutavatar could have made

> something before the ainur.

>

> Arthur Boccaccio <elhanan_austin@...> wrote:

> Perhaps they both are: Treebeard being the eldest of

> created beings of Arda (as opposed to the pre-Arda

> created beings such as the Ainur), since we know

> that the Ents were created by Yvanna and Tom

> Bombadil is the Eldest, i.e., the oldest living

> being in Middle-earth even though he is most likely

> a maia of Valinor who, like Melian, decided not to

> retire to the Undying Lands. And who knows? He may

> still reside in some hidden Wood of Middle-earth

> with his fair Goldenberry.

>

> Arthur

>

> Gollum Smeagol wrote:

> Both Tom Bombadil and Treebeard claim the title of

> eldest but who is really eldest?

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Though the Dwarves may have been first, I do not think they claim the title

of "Eldest". I tend to assume that something must have actually "lived" for

that long to count as Eldest, and I do not recall the Dwarves being

immortal.



But this list really isn't the place for a discussion like this.



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