>

>The word for "an owl" is given as _hô_ in the QL from the root _HO-_

>meaning "shout,scream".

>

Of course, that clashes with the root HO "from" in QaE. Homophones are

anything but abscent from Quenya, but do we have a later root with a similar

meaning anywhere (I must memorize Etym soon ;-))? If so, we could create an

agental formation from that and so coin a new word for "owl".



                                            Andreas



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At 09:16 04.4.2000 -0700, Andreas wrote:



> >

> >The word for "an owl" is given as _hô_ in the QL from the root _HO-_

> >meaning "shout,scream".

> >

>Of course, that clashes with the root HO "from" in QaE. Homophones are

>anything but abscent from Quenya, but do we have a later root with a similar

>meaning anywhere (I must memorize Etym soon ;-))? If so, we could create an

>agental formation from that and so coin a new word for "owl".



All the howl-words in The Etymologies refer to (were)wolves,  IIRC, but

perhaps _hô_ in the QL can be emended into !UHU (or !U3U in

Etymologies-style transcription), since it is so obviously

onomatopoetic!  This would give _uo_ in Quenya.  The problem is that in

Sindarin it would dwindle into _û_...









/BP



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am 05.04.2000 12:24 Uhr schrieb BP Jonsson unter bpj@...:



> At 09:16 04.4.2000 -0700, Andreas wrote:

>

>>>

>>> The word for "an owl" is given as _hô_ in the QL from the root _HO-_

>>> meaning "shout,scream".

>>>

>> Of course, that clashes with the root HO "from" in QaE. Homophones are

>> anything but abscent from Quenya, but do we have a later root with a similar

>> meaning anywhere (I must memorize Etym soon ;-))? If so, we could create an

>> agental formation from that and so coin a new word for "owl".

>

> All the howl-words in The Etymologies refer to (were)wolves,  IIRC, but

> perhaps _hô_ in the QL can be emended into !UHU (or !U3U in

> Etymologies-style transcription), since it is so obviously

> onomatopoetic!  This would give _uo_ in Quenya.  The problem is that in

> Sindarin it would dwindle into _û_...

>

>

>

>

> /BP

>

I like the idea. Etym. has a word for "pigeon" *kukuuwa which yields Q. _ku_

or _kua_ and S. _cugu_. So perhaps in mature Q. _hô_ shd be _**hua_ and the

S. equivalent might be _**hugu_ or perhaps _**hugaew_ to make it more

"fullsounding".



David KIltz

BP Jonsson wrote:



> All the howl-words in The Etymologies refer to (were)wolves,  IIRC, but

> perhaps _hô_ in the QL can be emended into !UHU (or !U3U in

> Etymologies-style transcription), since it is so obviously

> onomatopoetic!  This would give _uo_ in Quenya.  The problem is that in

> Sindarin it would dwindle into _û_...



Hmm... indeed really poetic. I don't know if you know, but this poetic word is

already used in German: a special owl is called "Uhu".



   Matt