Aiya ilye vánin ar aiya ellen!

Hail to all geese and hail to you!



I've revamped my site with framed pages

and a Quenya 'Months' crossword. Come

and pay a visit:

http://www.geocities.com/petristikka/elvish/



Namárie ná mára quetta!

Farewell is a good word!



Petri Tikka  Helsinki, Finland

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At 18:41 30/04/2002 +0300, you wrote:

>Namárie ná mára quetta!

>Farewell is a good word!



This could also mean "Farewell, be a good word!", because (at least in the

1950s) the verb "to be" placed in front of words can have a

subjunctive/imperative meaning "let it be", see it's use in the Aataremma

(VT43), I've quoted examples on my page

http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.grigny/quenya_vocab_particles.html in the

Related Words section, entry _aa_, _a_ 'imperative particle'. This use is

not restricted to verbs, also adjectives with a preceding _na_ have this

meaning: _na aire_ "be holy!" contrasting with _aire na_ "is holy". See

VT43:14.



Cheers Petri,

Alex



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BTW, Petri, excellent crosswords, I hadn't yet seen the Javascript version!

In your birds one, I found a bird which was missing from my bird pages (I

didn't know a kingfisher was a bird!). Thanks :)



Alex



At 10:28 01/05/2002 +0200, you wrote:

>At 18:41 30/04/2002 +0300, you wrote:

> >Namárie ná mára quetta!

> >Farewell is a good word!

>

>This could also mean "Farewell, be a good word!", because (at least in the

>1950s) the verb "to be" placed in front of words can have a

>subjunctive/imperative meaning "let it be", see it's use in the Aataremma

>(VT43), I've quoted examples on my page

>http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.grigny/quenya_vocab_particles.html in the

>Related Words section, entry _aa_, _a_ 'imperative particle'. This use is

>not restricted to verbs, also adjectives with a preceding _na_ have this

>meaning: _na aire_ "be holy!" contrasting with _aire na_ "is holy". See

>VT43:14.

>

>Cheers Petri,

>Alex

>

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>http://members.ams.chello.nl/a.grigny

>XelaG

>mailto:xelag@...

>http://www.imatowns.com/xelagot

>

>

>

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Alex Grigny de Castro scripsit:



> In your birds one, I found a bird which was missing from my bird pages (I

> didn't know a kingfisher was a bird!). Thanks :)



Absolutely.  _Ceryle alcyon_.  It's an important bird because we

hear about it in one of the Tom Bombadil poems; as JRRT mentions

in _Letters_, it is etymologically the "king's fisher" rather than

"the king who fishes", because hunting it was in England reserved

to royalty.  Of course it eats fish.  Thematically therefore it

is connected with the (to be) restored Numenorian kingdom.



--

John Cowan <jcowan@...>     http://www.reutershealth.com

I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen,    http://www.ccil.org/~cowan

han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith.  --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_

Ah! Thank you. My next round of purchases will include the Letters, I ran

out of money :)



Alex



At 05:48 01/05/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Alex Grigny de Castro scripsit:

>

> > In your birds one, I found a bird which was missing from my bird pages (I

> > didn't know a kingfisher was a bird!). Thanks :)

>

>Absolutely.  _Ceryle alcyon_.  It's an important bird because we

>hear about it in one of the Tom Bombadil poems; as JRRT mentions

>in _Letters_, it is etymologically the "king's fisher" rather than

>"the king who fishes", because hunting it was in England reserved

>to royalty.  Of course it eats fish.  Thematically therefore it

>is connected with the (to be) restored Numenorian kingdom.

>

>--

>John Cowan <jcowan@...>     http://www.reutershealth.com



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Your welcome! Thanks to you, for you made my crossword

making a whole lot easier, with your excellent wordlists.



Anar caluva tielyanna!



Petri Tikka  Helsinki, Finland

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http://www.geocities.com/petristikka/



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BTW, Petri, excellent crosswords, I hadn't yet seen the Javascript version!

In your birds one, I found a bird which was missing from my bird pages (I

didn't know a kingfisher was a bird!). Thanks :)



Alex