Thanks, Helge for your comments. I hadn't realized that raumo was the later word
for storm. Too bad it leaves out the alliteration, but I prefer to use the later
ones. (Speaking of later vocabulary, I really like Anon and Anel instead of
Yondo and Selye. How would you say 'my son' - Anonya? or Anoninya. your
daughter- Anelya?. How about his/her daughter, Anelerya, anonerya?)

I do think that after PE 17 there are now so many stand-alone words that can be
used instead of inflections that it seems Tolkien left them as stylistic
options, within the context of a generally inflected language. I'm thinking of
words like ollo, ana, va, ló, hó, mi etc.

As far as "teo" goes, it seems to fit the internal logic of quenya, and is
understandable so I wouldn't rule it out. On the other hand I don't particularly
like the sound of the word, so we'll see...

Thanks again for your observations,

Evan





--- In elfling@yahoogroups.com, "Helge K. Fauskanger" <helge.fauskanger@...>
wrote:
>
> **> I Alaco i Hosseva Ulunga
>
> Some interesting features here!
>
> > húro noun "storm" (MC:214; this is "Qenya")
>
> Indeed; I would rather use the later word _raumo_ from Tolkien's latest
revision of the poem in question.
>
>
> > Tá nortanelte nan (= then they rode back)
>
> How to say "back" in Quenya is a bit tricky; we only have the PREFIX _nan-_.
>
> _Tá nannortanelte_ is perhaps "safer", but also clumsier. I actually miss
distinct terms for the adverbs "back" (as well as "around") in known Quenya
vocabulary.
>
> Could _nan_ be used by itself like this?
>
> We don't know, really. At one point _nan_ was the conjunction "but", but
(many!) other words for "but" turn up in later material (in my own writings I
have used _mal_ and occasionally _ono_).
>
> Did Tolkien want to free up _nan_ as an independent adverb "back"? It may be.
>
>
> > Narrótar foryanna teo,
> > Narrótar hyaryana teo,
>
> (= ...to the right of them / ... to the left of them). Can the genitive ending
be added to the short independent pronouns? (_Te-o_ they's = their).
>
> We have never seen a pronoun with the genitive ending attached, but since the
dative ending, the allative ending and the ablative ending are all attested in
such positions, it may be possible.
>
> But I would have said _foryaltasse_ / _hyaryaltasse_ (at their right / at
their left). But I don't know if you're aiming for some kind of metrical rhythm;
perhaps this would spoil it.
>
>
> - HKF**
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