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[S] Yeat's The Second Coming


Inspired by 'Down by the Salley Gardens' here's a rendering of Yeats' 'The
Second Coming'. I apologise for the barabarism of 'na raw e-raw' ['with body
of the lion']...It's one of my favourite poems so I thought I'd try it. I've
not put in the original text to avoid making this post too long: it's easily
google-able.

i&#8729;Doled Dadui

Hwiniol a hwiniol min ringorn ú-‘leinannen,
Spinning and spinning in the circle not-having-been-bounded
i&#8729;aew-farad û-‘ar lathrado nan *aewben;
the hunting-bird cannot listen to the bird-man;
nadath *godhannar, i&#8729;enedh û-‘âr dartho;
things collapse, the centre cannot hold,
únad dan úmarth erin amar leithar aen;
nothing but evil fate upon the world is released;
i&#8729;aear iâr-‘wathren leithar aen, ah min *ilhaid
the sea blood-shadowy is released, and in all places
i&#8729;chaew e-gur buig danna ’n-uir di&#8729;nên.
The habit of the pure heart falls forever beneath water.
i&#8729;*maerwain ú-‘erir ind dengennin, dan i&#8729;
The best do not have established minds, but the
*faegwain bethrennin na ‘orf ‘oeol.
Worst [are] filled with terrible vigour.

Boe *althobad *na vaw!
An unveiling must be at hand!
Boe i&#8729;doled dadui na vaw!
The Second Coming must be at hand!
i&#8729;doled dadui…Lim i&#8729;phith bennin,
The Second Coming…Quickly the words having-been-said,
ir auth veleg o Faer en-Amar
when a great spectre from Spritus Mundi
presta i&#8729;*chinnen… min lith en-eru,
troubles my eyes…in the sand of the desert,
cant na raw e-raw a nîf en-adan,
a shape with flesh of the lion and face of the man,
glind lost a ben-’ohenad ben Anor,
a glance empty and without-forgiveness like the Sun,
bâd na dail úlim, ah *oswiniar i&#8729;morchaint
walks with unhasty feet, and reel around the shadows
aew lethrin na ruith.
Of desert birds with anger.

*Addanna i&#8729;dhúath; dan si iston
The shadow falls again, but now I know
in&#8729;enninath dadgaen brestennin na ôl deloth
the twenty long-years having-been-troubled to a dream of dread
na chaust e-laes, a man ulunn, i&#8729;lû
by the baby’s bed, and what terrible creature, the time
dollen na vedui, renia na Vethlehem ‘ni onnad în?
Having come at last, strays to Bethlehem for its birth?

GRAMMAR
*aewben: not pleased with this so suggestions most welcome! it's aew 'bird'
+ 'pen', 'person', parallelling 'rochben' 'knight' (i.e. someone who deals
with a horse) and 'orodben' 'mountaineer'...
*godhannar = go+danna 'mutally fall' modelled on Lat. col-lapsare...if only
there was a S. prefix meaning 'apart', like Lat. se-.
*ilhaid: pl. of a possible *ilhad 'everyplace' 'everywhere'. Replace with
'ned haid bain' otherwise.
*maerwain and *faegwain: I know much learned discussion had questioned the
use of the [possible] -wain suffix as a superlative; I'm aware of this but
have seen no other choice for concision and elegance here - my apologies.
*althobad: 'unscreening', 'al-' [neg prefix] + tobad, gerund of toba-
'screen, roof over'
*na vaw: a calque on english 'at hand'
*chinnen = plur. of hend 'eye', + 1st p. possessive suffix, as in 'lammen'
'my tongue', to avoid 'i chin nin' (ouch!)
*oswiniar - prefix os- 'around' + hwinia - > SWIN, 'to twirl'. It might just
as well be *ohwiniar, but I thought I'd retain the -s- as it features in
both the primitive root and prefix. (cf. 'osgar- ' 'amputate' > OS+SCAR)
*addanna: ad 're-' +danna - to fall. Should it be *adhanna-?





Mon May 16, 2005 12:33 pm

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... Tho problem is that there are 2 interpretation of the metre: the one is pentametre, and this is the one I gave - the stressed syllables are capitalised: ...
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Inspired by 'Down by the Salley Gardens' here's a rendering of Yeats' 'The Second Coming'. I apologise for the barabarism of 'na raw e-raw' ['with body of the...
Bobo Williams
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May 16, 2005
12:33 pm

Apologies also about the way in my last post 'Yeats' second Coming' it has translated my little raised dots after the definite article into a line of figures....
Bobo Williams
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May 16, 2005
12:48 pm

Cool, let's make a website withh Yeats' poems translated:-) You surely have chosen a mighty poem to translate, not one easy to tackle... I will try to dissect...
Atwe
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May 16, 2005
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Hello, I try to drop in some comments. ... AFAIK _min_ means "between" - is that your intended meaning here? ... *aew-farad to me has the meaning "bird-hunt"...
Atwe
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Thanks for those Thomas -- all very pertinent. A rewritten version follows my comments on what you have said. Many thanks Mark ... Mark writes: I've taken this...
Bobo Williams
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Hi, a very nice translation work :-) I currently work on a poem by Yeats as well :-) Here are some ideas or suggestions I came up with while reading you...
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4:22 pm

... Hm. Guess I have to do some more research. :) I seem to recall that in German poetry, a pentameter usually has six feet, strange as that may seem. ... But...
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... that in ... may seem. This is absolutely correct. In contrast to its name, the pentameter has six stressed syllables. It consists of two parts separated by...
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May 14, 2005
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I must rectify my previous entry, please apologize!...
aelindis
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... 6 feet, but 2 of them are halves. 2.5 + 2.5 = 5 Thomas Ferencz -- love is the shadow that ripens the wine -- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and...
Atwe
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... yes... after all, the movies' pronunciation is good, but not perfect ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ...
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May 13, 2005
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... My take on this is that negation should get the focus of the sentence (after all it carries the strongest meaning if you get what I mean) and thus receive ...
Atwe
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... other ... I would tend to think the contrary, as in _ú-chebin_ the negation and the verb are separated by an hyphen. It leads me to think that they are...
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... That sounds like a good solution! Again, I don't think Tolkien wrote much (anything?) about this and related problems (sentence intonation, etc.), so we...
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... Thanks for everybody's input! But I have to say, now I'm even more confused...what exactly IS the metre of the linnod, then? If what you give above is the...
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... It isn't a hexameter ( "a verse of six feet, the first four of which may be either dactyls or spondees (= trochees), _the fifth must regularly be a...
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... Rather, Ónen i Estel eDain. Thomas Ferencz -- love is the shadow that ripens the wine -- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the...
Atwe
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... Right...so it's _not_ a pentameter, since Tolkien's pronunciation rules clearly make it _Ónen i Estel Edain; Ú-chebin Estel Anim_ (capital = stress), as...
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May 15, 2005
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... Distribution of stress does not alter at all the length of syllables so I stand by my opinion that it is a nice fat pentameter:-). How a pentameter is read...
Atwe
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... I don't get the idea... Could you please explain why you think that e.g. the last syllable of _anim_ could be considered as long? Erna...
aelindis
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May 15, 2005
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... a) pentameter allows its last syllable to be either short or long; consider these links: http://www.gottwein.de/metr/metr01.htm ...
Atwe
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... aktiv/Vorlesungen/lyrik/distichon.htm ... In classic Greek and Latin poetry, meter depended on the way long and short syllables were arranged to succede...
aelindis
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May 16, 2005
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Same in Hungarian, have a look here (where Atwe gave a nice sample in Quenya also): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/27664 Edhil...
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