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I have been approached by a person who had bought a Tolkien autograph
dating from 1968. Below his signature, Tolkien wrote the words _nai elen
siluva lyenna_. I have been shown a scan; there is no doubt about the
reading.

The new owner of the autograph just wanted to know what this means, and as
I told him, the meaning is obviously "may a star shine upon you". But the
form _lyenna_ is interesting. In this late incarnation of Quenya, _lye_
could apparently be used as an independent pronoun "you" (singular).
Otherwise, initial _ly_ (palatalized L) is extremely unusual in Quenya; I
can't think of any other word where it occurs. May initial _ly_ be a
regular feature of Quenya phonology, or is _lye_ re-formed from _le_ by
analogy with the ending _-lye_? And in a variant of Quenya that uses _lye_
for singular "you", would _le_ be distinctly plural?

- HF



Sat May 11, 2002 7:27 pm

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I have been approached by a person who had bought a Tolkien autograph dating from 1968. Below his signature, Tolkien wrote the words _nai elen siluva lyenna_....
Helge K. Fauskanger
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May 11, 2002
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... From: "Helge K. Fauskanger" <helge.fauskanger@...> To: <elfling@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: [elfling] 1968:...
Petri Tikka
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May 11, 2002
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... This is very interesting. Do we know the etymology of pronouns? Other questions arise in my mind: whether by analogy or by regular stem development, would...
Alex Grigny de Castro
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May 12, 2002
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... It could be an enclitic, I guess; would at least explain the odd initial _ly_. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ ...
Andreas Johansson
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May 12, 2002
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... Two ideas: Perhaps generally initial Cw and Cy clusters are regular in Quenya? Alternatively, perhaps the "e-" need not be prefixed ater a vowel (siluva...
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May 13, 2002
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