... Why would you ever support unranked IRV over approval voting? It might be useful in multi-seat elections, but is there anything that would warrant...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Apr 1, 2001 1:07 pm
7110
... Perhaps you're right. I'm not sure yet. I note that recursive "instant runoffs" and Condorcet agree with the Approval result on unranked ballots, and...
http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search "By bill number" for HR1189. A good time to write your representative, if you have anything to say. Too bad Tom Campbell gave...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Apr 1, 2001 9:41 pm
7113
... Well, they are at the moment, cause Plurality kills off small spoilers before they have a chance to grow into large spoilers. Plurality lets third parties ...
Martin Harper
mcnh2@...
Apr 1, 2001 9:41 pm
7114
... ranked or ... From: "Martin Harper" <mcnh2@...> ... before ... parties ... majority ... wouldn't do ... I'm going to get into trouble here I see, but...
Tom Ruen
tomruen@...
Apr 1, 2001 11:00 pm
7115
[some snippage: apologies if I've mis-snipped, but I wanted to keep some vague attempt at focus] ... So only big cars will crash? ;-) Seems like your game of...
Martin Harper
mcnh2@...
Apr 2, 2001 12:06 am
7116
A few comments... ... My point is a runoff process works to identify strong candidates and so this should be a minimum reform over plurality. Methods like...
Tom Ruen
tomruen@...
Apr 2, 2001 12:37 am
7117
Mr. Moore wrote-- On "majority rule": I don't rate it as high on my list of criteria as, say, monotonicity. ... D- Another example- A pre-election poll...
DEMOREP1@...
Apr 2, 2001 2:46 am
7118
I'm not up really on where this is coming from, but that would be a pretty challenging pre-election poll by any assumed election method. No election method can...
Tom Ruen
tomruen@...
Apr 2, 2001 2:49 am
7119
... What method are you asking about? Under Plurality, with such a close race, everyone does stick to their favorite. If Nader has 32%, you can bet Nader...
Richard Moore
rmoore4@...
Apr 2, 2001 5:21 am
7120
... But unranked Condorcet wouldn't be Condorcet. And which is more comfortable, no cycles because no rankings, or Condorcet's guarantees about strategy need? ...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 7:30 am
7121
... Wrong. Condorcet wrote around the 1780s or 1790s. Invented recently by Mike? Steve Eppley defined it before I did. But thanks for trying to give me credit...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:00 am
7122
Ok, there's no getting through to Tom or Don on this issue. What this shows is that, with so many ways to count ranked ballots, lots of people will be confused...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:25 am
7123
... But presumably there are some methods that seem to _you_ to be better than others. So why should you advocate less. Majority rule is not a ... ...certainly...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:34 am
7124
I must be doing something right if I'm getting criticized from both sides! ... I still don't think the IRV-supporters are the enemy. Plurality w/o runoff is...
Tom Ruen
tomruen@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:37 am
7125
... From: "MIKE OSSIPOFF" <nkklrp@...> To: <election-methods-list@...> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [EM] Unranked IRV...
Tom Ruen
tomruen@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:45 am
7126
... Oh is that the question? I thought the question was about what majority rule means with more than 2 candidates. I answered that question. How you get...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 9:03 am
7127
Dear participants, ... I have found only one paper in which Condorcet mentions the possibility of equal rankings: "Sur les Elections," _Journal d'Instruction...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Apr 2, 2001 9:21 am
7128
So much for Blake's claim that Condorcet didn't consider incomplete rankings. We covered this some time ago, but Blake repeated his refuted statement again. ...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Apr 2, 2001 9:22 am
7129
Dear Mike, ... Actually, it was me who introduced this method to this mailing list in 1997. Steve Eppley didn't promote Ranked Pairs (defeat-support) before...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Apr 2, 2001 11:13 am
7130
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 04/02/01 Mr Richard Moore, You wrote: "Why is the particular majority selected by IRV entitled to be ...
I Like Irving
donald@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:02 pm
7131
... Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:20:24 -0500 From: Rob Richie <FairVote@...> Subject: CVD Member Flash! CSPAN Sunday / Fox & CNN Monday To:...
I Like Irving
donald@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:21 pm
7132
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 07:52:19 -0000 ... on ... I'm not going to get into an endless debate about whether 1785 is in the 1700's. ... Markus points out that he...
Blake Cretney
bcretney@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:32 pm
7133
Mr. Ruen wrote in part-- Runoffs are the best single-vote election method. Approval and Condorcet are not single votes - they are N and N*(N-1)/2 elections...
DEMOREP1@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:40 pm
7134
... This list is one of the least academic around. If any find that I have written incautiously here then please elaborate on the error and leave no mistake...
Craig Carey
research@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:23 pm
7135
[fwd: missent] ... so this ... Agreed. Plurality is sick, and IRV would be a good deal better. If it's a choice between IRV or Plurality I'd prefer IRV - but...
Martin Harper
mcnh2@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:30 pm
7136
... No it won't. A ranking of A>B>C>D>E does not equate to an approval vote which approves all five candidates. Nice straw man. The correct answer is of course...
Martin Harper
mcnh2@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:31 pm
7137
... But it's already been demonstrated that whether there is one vote or more per seat is just a matter of definition. If a perceived problem turns out to be...
Anthony Simmons
asimmons@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:41 pm
7138
Mike O. recently reminded us that it seems impossible to get IRV supporters to budge on anything. I think it is a sign of insecurity. Before Mike reminded me...
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