Dear Mike, in your example, candidate B is the Condorcet winner of the reported opinions. The Schulze method chooses candidate B. Therefore your example...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Dec 1, 2000 7:38 pm
6149
Dear Craig, dear Martin, dear Mike, ... I agree. ... Even when the incumbent doesn't run for re-election the vNM utility of the incumbent is a good guess for...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Dec 1, 2000 7:38 pm
6150
I note again my simple divided majority example- Polls show for *sincere* votes-- 26 AB 25 BA 49 C Will some of the C voters become liers and make *insincere*...
DEMOREP1@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:09 pm
6151
An Australian MP is claiming that it may be time to rethink preference voting, adopting a first-past-the-post system instead, because how-to-vote tickets...
Rob Lanphier
robla@...
Dec 2, 2000 5:34 am
6152
The grass is always greener......
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 2, 2000 7:04 am
6153
... Yup. I found a more detailed story here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/politics/2000/12/item20001202100144_1.htm It seems a contribution was made to the...
Rob Lanphier
robla@...
Dec 2, 2000 8:02 am
6154
Any book reviewers on this list ??? ... Mount Holyoke College Voting Systems Expert Available to Comment on Issues Related to the Election SOUTH HADLEY, Mass.,...
DEMOREP1@...
Dec 2, 2000 4:58 pm
6155
An Australian MP is claiming that it may be time to rethink preference voting, adopting a first-past-the-post system instead, because how-to-vote ... D- Is...
DEMOREP1@...
Dec 2, 2000 4:58 pm
6156
Dear Markus-- ... In my example, 60% of the voters, in when they vote their ratings, vote C over both of the other candidates. That means that C is the ...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 2, 2000 5:01 pm
6157
Craig L.-- I've taken a closer look at the 2 definitions of sincere voting, and would like to comment on the differences: 1. Your definition allows the voter...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 2, 2000 5:38 pm
6158
... This, along with small party members' tendency to vote for a lesser- evil in 1st place, and the parties reluctance to run more than 1 candidate, should be...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 2, 2000 5:40 pm
6159
... Why should they? They don't care between A & B. ... Approval and Condorcet. Mike Ossipoff ...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 2, 2000 5:50 pm
6160
Markus's definition of sincere Approval voting says that reversing or falsifying preferences among candidates other than the incumbant is sincere. Nonsense. ...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 2, 2000 6:12 pm
6161
I'm still grasping for a counting method which is easily explained to the public. Let me try this out with you. Using IRV, eliminate all but the two top...
JanetRAnderson
JanetRAnderson@...
Dec 2, 2000 7:28 pm
6162
(Slightly Off-topic) We here in Canada have just had a federal election. The way it works in canada is as follows: each "Riding" (geographically bounded area...
Andy Brown
sjbrown@...
Dec 2, 2000 11:16 pm
6163
Dear Mike, criteria and election methods are defined on the reported vNM utilities of the voters. In your example, candidate B is the Condorcet winner of the...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Dec 2, 2000 11:35 pm
6164
Dear Mike, ... However, I would like to know whether you would consider a change from Alternative Voting to Plurality in Australia to be a step forward or a...
Markus Schulze
schulze@...
Dec 2, 2000 11:35 pm
6165
Dear Markus-- ... No. They're defined that way by you, and, according to you, by some academics. Most of the rest of us would agree that it would be pretty...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 3, 2000 5:37 am
6166
... Come on, Markus, that's like asking someone which they like, Bush or Gore. Changing from IRV to Plurality would be a step sideways. ... That's odd, because...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 3, 2000 6:17 am
6167
... Yes, that's often proposed, probably the most often proposed solution to the problem that you've described. It's very often proposed by voters, but the...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 3, 2000 6:25 am
6168
Ugh is the word. Some people just don't realise that you get deals no matter what election method you're using - Deals to stay out in FPP, How-to-vote...
David Catchpole
s349436@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:00 am
6169
I forgot to add: I only offer SD as a replacement for IRV. Only if it's either SD or IRV. That's because SD, like IRV, is nonmonotonic, meaning that you can...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:11 am
6170
I wouldn't doubt at all that he himself was elected on preferences. Best source of info would be from www.aec.gov.au ... Guy at hot dog stand: Yo, Dalai Lama,...
David Catchpole
s349436@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:13 am
6171
... Just a loony Independent. People generally understand and endorse preferential. It's fair, it's inclusive, FPP's not. ... Yes. The Democrats are a smaller...
David Catchpole
s349436@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:13 am
6172
... From my own perspective as a voter, I consider it an advantage NOT to be able to express all preferences. Here's why: If I can express all preferences,...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 3, 2000 9:30 am
6173
Doesn't Borda do very well with reported ratings? (I don't agree that there is such a thing as 'reported vNM utilities')...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 3, 2000 9:32 am
6174
... Or re-read the ballots every time a candidate is eliminated... I also wonder how state or federal IRV results would be tabulated if counties are to...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 3, 2000 10:08 am
6175
... Ranking or social ordering is by no means a voter's complete opinion, even when derived from sincere utilities. How would you like your bank statement to...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 3, 2000 10:08 am
6176
... Is this any different from IRV as currently defined? I think the general consensus, even among those on this list who don't agree on much else, is that the...
Bart Ingles
bartman@...
Dec 3, 2000 10:09 am
6177
[Bart Ingles wrote:] ... My apologies -- I should have said "makes no sense to me." Even if the voter had no polling information at all, and his vNM utility...
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