I completely agree. I have a very idealized and unrealistic opinion of how measures should be constructed. If you have a body of 100 representatives, then...
Curt Siffert
siffert@...
May 16, 2004 1:22 am
14330
Hi, it's James. I haven't been keeping up with the list much lately, but I just wanted to respond to some of the recent discussion regarding a proxy direct...
James Green-Armytage
jarmyta@...
May 16, 2004 1:36 am
14331
... How about this: - Bicameral legislature. I'll call the two houses "senate" and "house" but this is just for identification purposes. - The "senate" is...
Adam Tarr
atarr@...
May 16, 2004 2:00 am
14332
Adam, That's really cool. The flaw to other schemes that I keep bumping my head against is that proportional representation disenfranchises the people below...
Curt Siffert
siffert@...
May 16, 2004 2:48 am
14333
James, one thing that strikes me about the idea of starting out with a nonbinding proxy/direct system that slowly scales up is that technically, there's no...
Curt Siffert
siffert@...
May 16, 2004 3:24 am
14334
... Yes, one of the most logical ways to gain interest in direct democracy is to create an actual forum for it that is capable of expanding to large-scale...
James Green-Armytage
jarmyta@...
May 16, 2004 4:57 am
14335
Hi, I've been reading the list for a couple weeks. I got into voting theory a couple years ago after reading a Science News article. It described IRV and I...
bql@...
May 16, 2004 6:10 am
14336
... James Green-Armytage replied: > ... But if you did decide this by a separate run-off election, I should not be surprised to find large numbers of voters...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 6:43 am
14337
... You realize the sophistry in that argument, don't you? You're essentially saying that those preferences shouldn't be respected, since the people wouldn't...
Adam Tarr
atarr@...
May 16, 2004 6:57 am
14338
... This is the real issue. As Curt says, "it doesn't feel good". There is no question that "C" is the Condorcet Winner and is 'the most representative...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 7:07 am
14339
Hopefully this will be helpful to someone: http://bolson.org/voting/vote_form.html Submit a bunch of votes and it will be tallied according to ...
bql@...
May 16, 2004 7:39 am
14340
In 2000, the nation collectively and clearly preferred Gore to Nader. The point remains, though, regarding system of values. People like to circle the wagons...
Curt Siffert
siffert@...
May 16, 2004 7:44 am
14341
... Exactly. ... I'm not sure I completely understand your meaning - the problem of a shared language! - nor am I sure why people are likely to have the...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 9:35 am
14342
Some addition: The second and third example I gave seem to be related to another Markov-chain method studied by Giora Slutzki and Oscar Volij (Scoring of web...
Jobst Heitzig
heitzig-j@...
May 16, 2004 10:41 am
14343
In Laslier's nice book on tournament solutions I found a characterization of the Banks set and of Schwartz' "tournament equilibrium set" by a "contestation...
Jobst Heitzig
heitzig-j@...
May 16, 2004 10:41 am
14344
... No, there is no sophistry in my argument. ... No. that is not what I am saying. I am suggesting they would vote sincerely but then reject the outcome of...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 11:30 am
14345
... I'd say this means: If you have two elections, A,B,C and D,E,F, if you merge them into A..F, the relative rankings of A:B:C and D:E:F won't change in the...
bql@...
May 16, 2004 3:27 pm
14346
... I think that such a vote could be "marketed" in a way that would make it relatively uncontroversial. "In cases with no first-place majority winner, ...
Adam Tarr
atarr@...
May 16, 2004 4:20 pm
14347
Adam Thanks for your helpful comments. ... Maybe, but I remain VERY sceptical. I would still expect public rejection of any voting system that elected a...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 4:29 pm
14348
... Brian: I suggest the following modification of your procedure: Before normalizing each voter's absolute rating sum to 1, apply a constant additive shift to...
Ken Johnson
kjinnovation@...
May 16, 2004 4:58 pm
14349
Brian, ... This is the first I've heard someone suggest eliminating based on a vote that you have to split into pieces. It would be better if you let people...
Kevin Venzke
stepjak@...
May 16, 2004 5:31 pm
14350
... [and expressed doubts about whether the public would accept a voting system that chose C as the winner] What I see here is a highly polarized electorate....
Jan Kok
kok@...
May 16, 2004 7:29 pm
14351
... Well, actually what I think is more unlikely about that classic example is that anyone with only 3% of first choice votes would be a totally unanimous...
James Green-Armytage
jarmyta@...
May 16, 2004 8:46 pm
14352
I would like to submit to the consideration of the EM list a paper that I've written recently in connection with election methods. I have made it available in ...
Xavier Mora
puffinet@...
May 16, 2004 9:16 pm
14353
... Agreed. ... OK, but I was not talking about YOU. I am quite prepared to believe that many on this list either would have no problem with the CW in these...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 10:22 pm
14354
... You can play with the figures all you like, but all you are doing is trying to avoid the real question of the likely response of real voters in a real...
James Gilmour
jgilmour@...
May 16, 2004 10:32 pm
14355
In the EM presidential poll that we voted on in February and March of this year, Nader won the Approval count. Nader was the only candidate to receive Approval...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
May 16, 2004 10:41 pm
14356
I forgot to mention: There were 9 ballots posted, in February & March of this year, for the EM presidential poll. If that doesn't sound like much, it's a lot...
MIKE OSSIPOFF
nkklrp@...
May 16, 2004 11:02 pm
14357
Hi everyone, After making repeated attempts to contact Yahoo, with no response, I'm shutting down the Yahoo Groups access to the election-methods-list. A...
Rob Lanphier
robla@...
May 16, 2004 11:32 pm
14358
Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list Election-methods We have received a request for the removal of your email address, ...
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