John Weiss wrote:

> BPS acted in a most unfriendly way to the whole list in repeating all the
> messages he claims to be complaining about, and thus purposely made much
> more of nuisance of himself than all those poor people who made mistakes.
> We can do without such petulance.



I have written to him accordingly.

Anyone wishing to send an administrative message should send
it to either

Kevin Brook:   kbrook@...
or
Bryan Dobbs:   bgdobbs@...
or
eejh-owner@onelist.com

Please DO NOT send such messages to eejh@onelist.com or they
will be received by all 450 subscribers.

Kevin and I have dealt with all administrivia raised during
the past few days and I now hope that postings to the list
will solely be on topic.

In case you missed them in the flurry of incidentals, there
have been interesting postings on Poland, standards of
transliterated Yiddish and a
Yiddish concert.

Let us hope that with regard to the unnecessary messages,
the Yiddish saying applies:  "'Ibergekumeneh' tsores iz gut
tsu dertsailen."




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"There are two kinds of light--the glow that illuminates,
and the glare that obscures."
      ~~James Thurber


"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."
      ~~Albert Einstein


"Where you stand depends on where you sit."
      ~~R. Ploni



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Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs
350 Queen's Quay West, Suite 1602
Toronto, Ontario M5V 3A7, Canada

TELEPHONE:  [416] 260-5712
FACSIMILE:  [416] 345-1935 [you must telephone before
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John Weiss wrote:

> BPS acted in a most unfriendly way to the whole list in repeating all the
> messages he claims to be complaining about, and thus purposely made much
> more of nuisance of himself than all those poor people who made mistakes.
> We can do without such petulance.



I have written to him accordingly.

Anyone wishing to send an administrative message should send
it to either

Kevin Brook:   kbrook@...
or
Bryan Dobbs:   bgdobbs@...
or
eejh-owner@onelist.com

Please DO NOT send such messages to eejh@onelist.com or they
will be received by all 450 subscribers.

Kevin and I have dealt with all administrivia raised during
the past few days and I now hope that postings to the list
will solely be on topic.

In case you missed them in the flurry of incidentals, there
have been interesting postings on Poland, standards of
transliterated Yiddish and a
Yiddish concert.

Let us hope that with regard to the unnecessary messages,
the Yiddish saying applies:  "'Ibergekumeneh' tsores iz gut
tsu dertsailen."




--
"There are two kinds of light--the glow that illuminates,
and the glare that obscures."
      ~~James Thurber


"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."
      ~~Albert Einstein


"Where you stand depends on where you sit."
      ~~R. Ploni



bgdobbs@...

Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs
350 Queen's Quay West, Suite 1602
Toronto, Ontario M5V 3A7, Canada

TELEPHONE:  [416] 260-5712
FACSIMILE:  [416] 345-1935 [you must telephone before
faxing]
NORTH AMERICA WIDE TOLL FREE TELEPHONE:  1-877-BGDOBBS
[1-877-243-6227]

I.C.Q. 4446557 [rarely online]

BPS acted in a most unfriendly way to the whole list in repeating all the
messages he claims to be complaining about, and thus purposely made much
more of nuisance of himself than all those poor people who made mistakes.
We can do without such petulance.

John Weiss

For some reason I am getting mysterious e-mail messages from other
subscribers which appear to be intended for the moderator/host of this
group.  Could you please check what's happening, and sort out?

Thanks,
Charlie

If you cannot fix your flooding of my connection with every trivial
message and unsubscribe message, I will have to unsubscribe

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>      11. more about HAPPY99
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>      13. Re: DO NOT RUN HAPPY99.EXE !!! VIRUS!!!
>            From: "Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs" <bgdobbs@...>
>      14. One listers complaints
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>    From: Stefan Rohrbacher <hb413ro@...>
> Subject: Re: unsubscribe
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> At 09:47 12.08.99 -0600, you wrote:
> >From: haflo <haflo@...>
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> >From: haflo@...
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> Could someone please step in and moderate this list, i.e. stop such
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:13:09 EDT
>    From: Ruthwriter@...
> Subject: WAKE UP, people!!!----Re: unsubscribe
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> In a message dated 8/12/99 10:48:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
> hb413ro@... writes:
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> <<
>  Could someone please step in and moderate this list, i.e. stop such
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> THANKS, Stefan!!! I tried to achieve the same thing but obviously
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> To subscribe and unsubscribe, PLEASE DO NOT SEND MESSAGES TO THE
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> I'm sending this to the list so everyone gets the message. PLEASE
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> Ruth
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> Message: 4
>    Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:36:03 -0400
>    From: "Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs" <bgdobbs@...>
> Subject: Re: WAKE UP, people!!!----Re: unsubscribe
>
> Dear Ruth:
>
> I have asked Kevin to configure the list so that messages
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> of us.  This may take a few days.  It's easier than
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> "Where you stand depends on where you sit."
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> bgdobbs@...
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> ___
> ___________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:06:42 +0300
>    From: Jonathan Rigbi <rigbi@...>
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> unsubscribe
>
> ___________
> ___________________________________________________________________
> ___________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Malcolm Davidson <madpoland@...>
> Subject: DO NOT RUN HAPPY99.EXE !!! VIRUS!!!
>
> ===
> Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
> madpoland@...
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:14:27 -0700
>    From: John Weiss <john.weiss@...>
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> and it's no good sending an unsubscribe message to the list - it
> doesn't work that way - send it to the list manager as detailed
> in previous messages fromm eejh very recently.
>
> John Weiss
>
> Jonathan Rigbi wrote:
> >
> > From: Jonathan Rigbi <rigbi@...>
> >
> > unsubscribe
> >
> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor
> ----------------------------
> >
> > You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com!
> > If you join ONElist’s FRIENDS & FAMILY program.  For details, go to
> > http://www.onelist.com/info/onereachsplash3.html
> >
>
> _
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:08:40 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Malcolm Davidson <madpoland@...>
> Subject: more about HAPPY99
>
> See:
>
> http
>
//dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Security_and_Encryption/Viruses/Specific_\
Viruses/Happy99/
>
> for a list of web sites describing that damned virus
> and how to get rid of it.
>
> One thing to remember: if you didn't run it, you are
> safe and you don't have to do anything. Just delete
> it, dlete the message that delivered it, and forget
> it.
>
> But Jonathan Rigbi has some PC detective work to do...
>
> ===
> Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
> madpoland@...
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:16:32 -0700
>    From: John Weiss <john.weiss@...>
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> TO members of the list - sorry, I meant to send that last to Jonathan
> Rigbi personally, just to be helpful, and pressed the wrong button
>
> John Weiss
>
> __________
> ____________________________________________________________________
> ____________________________________________________________________
> __________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:20:26 -0400
>    From: "Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs" <bgdobbs@...>
> Subject: Re: DO NOT RUN HAPPY99.EXE !!! VIRUS!!!
>
> I have reported the spam message containing only the
> Happy99.exe virus sent to all members of this list to the
> abuse section of the internet service provider of the
> possibly unwitting perpetrator.
>
> Do NOT open this file.
>
> If you have done so and are running an up to the minute
> update of either Norton Antivirus or McAfee Virus Scan
> [monthly updates not system upgrades] the virus program will
> be located for you with a dialogue box for appropriate
> action.
>
> Otherwise, www.download.com should have a file named Happy
> 99 Cleaner.
>
> Until the virus is removed do NOT send an email out as the
> virus will automatically attach itself to the email and will
> at the same time send itself to everyone in your address
> book.
>
> Thanks to Malcolm Davidson for his alertness.
>
> _____________________________________________
> _________________________________
> _________________________________
> _____________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:45:01 -0400
>    From: Ed Smits <esmits@...>
> Subject: One listers complaints
>
> A long time ago I signed up to a low volume mailing list about Eastern
>
> European Jewry. Off and on the list was informative, lately I had
> received
> so little traffic from the list that I thought it had died and forgot
> about
> it. I went away for a few days recently and came back to a flood of
> email
> from something called eejh that I don't recognize. The messages are
> requests to sign-off and other users telling them not to sign off
> through
> the list, virus's and multiple virus warning messages etc. No
> information
> about European Jews that I can see.
>
> I didn't ask to join this new list. I assume that the recipient list
> from
> the old list was folded in to the new one (an automatic subscription
> if you
> will), and since I wasn't around to agree to the new subscription it
> "took"
> without any input from me. Most responsible mailing list
> administrators ask
> for a confirmation message to be relayed back to them, usually within
> 24
> hours, before confirming the subscription. Had this happened in this
> case I
> would have been spared this mess, and I assume that a lot of other
> users
> who are trying to signoff would also have been spared. A competent
> list
> administrator is the most important part of any list.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ed Smits
>
> ________
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:05:00 -0400
>    From: "Dr. Bryan Griffith Dobbs" <bgdobbs@...>
> Subject: Re: One listers complaints
>
> Steps are being taken to correct the problems Ed Smits
> identified.
>
> The EEJH list at onelist.com is the same list as EEJH at
> ort.org.
>
> When ORT put an end to list activity, the list owner of EEJH
> [and many other list owners as well] simply changed the
> email server.  This meant in effect creating a "new" list
> and so existing members of the ort.org list were sent a
> notification that they had been added to the onelist.com
> list.
>
> Because EEJH has been quiet for a few months, the change
> notices sparked a flurry of "subscribe", "unsubscribe" and
> "subscribe to additional lists" activity.
>
> The owner of the list informs me that this kind of activity
> occurs in spurts and has not been uncommon since the start
> of the list in 1994 though the bursts of such activity are
> infrequent.  It is caused by a general unfamiliarity with
> email list etiquette and protocols.
>
> PLEASE take a moment to review the message you were sent
> entitled :[eejh} Welcome to eejh@onelist.com.  All of the
> procedures are clearly outlined.
> If you have questions, do not send them to the list but
> instead to either Kevin Brooks or myself.
>
> He is an extremely experienced list moderator.  I'm new at
> this and learning.
>
> __________________
> ____________________________________________________________
> ____________________________________________________________
> __________________
>
> Message: 16
>    Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Malcolm Davidson <madpoland@...>
> Subject: how to manage your eejh list account
>
> For everyone having trouble getting used to using the
> new eejh list processor (onelist), that's
> understandable. Suddenly the system changed. What
> worked before will not work now. But don't get
> frustrated and grumpy. This system is a bit better, a
> bit easier to use, and I think you'll enjoy it once
> you get used to it.
>
> If you do not have web access (something like Netscape
> or Internet Exlorer), or if you do have web access but
> you're a bit clueless about web browsing, skip to
> Section B.
>
> ===============================
> Section A - Web Interface
> ===============================
>
> If you have web access, you can use a simple web
> interface to subscribe, unsubscribe, view archives,
> join other mailing lists, etc. (You can, for example,
> choose to subscribe to a list but receive no mail from
> it. To read the list messages, you would instead
> browse them through the web page listed below, and
> your mailbox would never fill up with list messages.)
>
> 1. Go to http://www.onelist.com/
>
> 2. Bookmark the site so you can easily find it
> tomorrow.
>
> 3. Type or paste your full e-mail address (something
> like you@...) into the "Email address" box.
>
> 4. If you know your password, type it into the
> "Password" box. If you don't know your password, just
> type any old crap into the "Password" box.
>
> 5. Click the "Log-in" button.
>
> 6. If you know your password and you entered it
> correctly, you will now be able to click "eejh" and
> manage your account.
>
> If you do not know you password and you typed some
> garbage in the password box, the computer will offer
> to e-mail you the correct password. Agree to that. In
> a minute or two, check your e-mail inbox for a message
> from onelist that will tell you what your password is,
> and then go back to step 1 armed with the right
> password. Simple.
>
> ===============================
> Section B - Email Commands
> ===============================
>
> If none of the above makes sense to you, or if you
> don't have web access, don't just send your requests
> to the list address. That forces the system to send
> out about 450 copies of your message, one to each
> subscriber--"Oh, look! Another guy wants to
> unsubscribe and doesn't know how!"--and gets nothing
> done because that's not how to send a command to the
> list processor.
>
> Instead, to change your eejh account without web
> access, send e-mail to one of these addresses:
>
> To remove your address from a list, send any garbage
> mail to:
>   eejh-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> It is the TO address (eejh-unsubscribe) and the FROM
> address (your address) that determine what happens;
> the subject and contents of your message mean nothing
> to the program receiving your mail, so you can just
> leave them blank or fill them with dirty words or
> whatever crosses your unsubscribing mind.
>
> Other mailable commands:
>
> Send empty mail to:
>   eejh-digest@onelist.com
> to switch your subscription to digest mode.
>
> Send empty mail to:
>   eejh-normal@onelist.com
> to switch your subscription back to normal mode.
>
> Send empty mail to:
>   eejh-subscribe@onelist.com
> to subscribe again after you come came from Bermuda.
>
> ===============================
> Section C - Real People
> ===============================
>
> And if none of that makes sense either--and, frankly,
> if that's the case, I'm surprised you got this
> far--but as I was saying, if none of that makes sense
> to you, just send your requests in plain English
> (because a real person will be reading your mail) to
> the list owner:
>   eejh-owner@onelist.com
> In this case, you could unsubscribe by writing (to
> eejh-owner@onelist.com) something like "Dear Kevin and
> Brian, I hope your families are well... by the way, I
> hate to be a bother, but could you remove me from the
> eejh list? It's not that I don't like your nice list,
> but we're going away for the summer and..."
>
> ===============================
> Section D - Hundreds of People
> ===============================
>
> And of course there's one more address:
>   eejh@onelist.com
> Use it when you've got something interesting to say
> about Jewish history and culture in the lands of
> eastern Europe. According to the web site, there are
> about 450 subscribers, so every time you send mail to
> that address, a computer program intercepts your
> message, makes about 450 copies of it, and sends one
> copy to each person on the list.
>
> ===============================
> ===============================
>
> How to remember all this?
>
> If you are using the web interface, just bookmark the
> page I told you about in section A. The page has its
> own help system, so you can always get help there.
>
> If you are using email, copy all of the above email
> addresses into your email address book so you won't
> have to remember them. Don't write them down; this is
> the computer age, kid!
>
> ===============================
> ===============================
>
> Malcolm
> Gdansk
> ===
> Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
> madpoland@...
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________________

"Pearls of Yiddish Song"

Adrienne Cooper and Zalmen Mlotek will perform Yiddish songs at the United
Jewish Center, 141 Deer Hill Avenue, in Danbury, Connecticut, U.S.A., on
Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 7:30 p.m.

Zalmen Mlotek is the translator of the book "Songs of Generations: New
Pearls of Yiddish Song" into English.

Adrienne Cooper is an accomplished singer and co-founder of the Klezkamp,
and her biography may be found at
http://www.templebethisraelny.org/culturalarts/cooper.htm

For more information, call (203) 748-3355.

The .EXE file was in the body of the message, not as an attachment, which is
why is did not get stripped out. The way I received it, I probably could not
have run it even if I had tried.

John Weiss


Kevin Brook wrote:
>
> From: Kevin Brook <kbrook@...>
>
> Regarding Jonathan Rigbi's message, which contained an .EXE attachment.
>
> ONELIST had a question when I set up EEJH.  It read:
> "Attachments are images, programs or other files that are sent through
> email. ONElist provides the ability to automatically strip attachments
> from emails. Do you want to allow attachments on your list"
>
> I specifically saved the setting as "No".  So it is strange that the
> filter did NOT work in the manner described.  I will forward this email to
> the ONElist staff.

Regarding Jonathan Rigbi's message, which contained an .EXE attachment.

ONELIST had a question when I set up EEJH.  It read:
"Attachments are images, programs or other files that are sent through
email. ONElist provides the ability to automatically strip attachments
from emails. Do you want to allow attachments on your list"

I specifically saved the setting as "No".  So it is strange that the
filter did NOT work in the manner described.  I will forward this email to
the ONElist staff.

<<
This was at the bottom of the welcome email---in case you missed it--


-----------------------------------------------------------------
  HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM EEJH

  To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at
  www.onelist.com, and select the User Center link from the menu bar
  on the left.  This menu will also let you change your subscription
  between digest and normal mode.  If you have difficulty in
  unsubscribing, write to kbrook@...
   >>

For everyone having trouble getting used to using the
new eejh list processor (onelist), that's
understandable. Suddenly the system changed. What
worked before will not work now. But don't get
frustrated and grumpy. This system is a bit better, a
bit easier to use, and I think you'll enjoy it once
you get used to it.

If you do not have web access (something like Netscape
or Internet Exlorer), or if you do have web access but
you're a bit clueless about web browsing, skip to
Section B.

===============================
Section A - Web Interface
===============================

If you have web access, you can use a simple web
interface to subscribe, unsubscribe, view archives,
join other mailing lists, etc. (You can, for example,
choose to subscribe to a list but receive no mail from
it. To read the list messages, you would instead
browse them through the web page listed below, and
your mailbox would never fill up with list messages.)

1. Go to http://www.onelist.com/

2. Bookmark the site so you can easily find it
tomorrow.

3. Type or paste your full e-mail address (something
like you@...) into the "Email address" box.

4. If you know your password, type it into the
"Password" box. If you don't know your password, just
type any old crap into the "Password" box.

5. Click the "Log-in" button.

6. If you know your password and you entered it
correctly, you will now be able to click "eejh" and
manage your account.

If you do not know you password and you typed some
garbage in the password box, the computer will offer
to e-mail you the correct password. Agree to that. In
a minute or two, check your e-mail inbox for a message
from onelist that will tell you what your password is,
and then go back to step 1 armed with the right
password. Simple.

===============================
Section B - Email Commands
===============================

If none of the above makes sense to you, or if you
don't have web access, don't just send your requests
to the list address. That forces the system to send
out about 450 copies of your message, one to each
subscriber--"Oh, look! Another guy wants to
unsubscribe and doesn't know how!"--and gets nothing
done because that's not how to send a command to the
list processor.

Instead, to change your eejh account without web
access, send e-mail to one of these addresses:

To remove your address from a list, send any garbage
mail to:
   eejh-unsubscribe@onelist.com
It is the TO address (eejh-unsubscribe) and the FROM
address (your address) that determine what happens;
the subject and contents of your message mean nothing
to the program receiving your mail, so you can just
leave them blank or fill them with dirty words or
whatever crosses your unsubscribing mind.

Other mailable commands:

Send empty mail to:
   eejh-digest@onelist.com
to switch your subscription to digest mode.

Send empty mail to:
   eejh-normal@onelist.com
to switch your subscription back to normal mode.

Send empty mail to:
   eejh-subscribe@onelist.com
to subscribe again after you come came from Bermuda.

===============================
Section C - Real People
===============================

And if none of that makes sense either--and, frankly,
if that's the case, I'm surprised you got this
far--but as I was saying, if none of that makes sense
to you, just send your requests in plain English
(because a real person will be reading your mail) to
the list owner:
   eejh-owner@onelist.com
In this case, you could unsubscribe by writing (to
eejh-owner@onelist.com) something like "Dear Kevin and
Brian, I hope your families are well... by the way, I
hate to be a bother, but could you remove me from the
eejh list? It's not that I don't like your nice list,
but we're going away for the summer and..."

===============================
Section D - Hundreds of People
===============================

And of course there's one more address:
   eejh@onelist.com
Use it when you've got something interesting to say
about Jewish history and culture in the lands of
eastern Europe. According to the web site, there are
about 450 subscribers, so every time you send mail to
that address, a computer program intercepts your
message, makes about 450 copies of it, and sends one
copy to each person on the list.

===============================
===============================

How to remember all this?

If you are using the web interface, just bookmark the
page I told you about in section A. The page has its
own help system, so you can always get help there.

If you are using email, copy all of the above email
addresses into your email address book so you won't
have to remember them. Don't write them down; this is
the computer age, kid!

===============================
===============================

Malcolm
Gdansk
===
Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
madpoland@...
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Steps are being taken to correct the problems Ed Smits
identified.

The EEJH list at onelist.com is the same list as EEJH at
ort.org.

When ORT put an end to list activity, the list owner of EEJH
[and many other list owners as well] simply changed the
email server.  This meant in effect creating a "new" list
and so existing members of the ort.org list were sent a
notification that they had been added to the onelist.com
list.

Because EEJH has been quiet for a few months, the change
notices sparked a flurry of "subscribe", "unsubscribe" and
"subscribe to additional lists" activity.

The owner of the list informs me that this kind of activity
occurs in spurts and has not been uncommon since the start
of the list in 1994 though the bursts of such activity are
infrequent.  It is caused by a general unfamiliarity with
email list etiquette and protocols.

PLEASE take a moment to review the message you were sent
entitled :[eejh} Welcome to eejh@onelist.com.  All of the
procedures are clearly outlined.
If you have questions, do not send them to the list but
instead to either Kevin Brooks or myself.

He is an extremely experienced list moderator.  I'm new at
this and learning.

A long time ago I signed up to a low volume mailing list about Eastern
European Jewry. Off and on the list was informative, lately I had received
so little traffic from the list that I thought it had died and forgot about
it. I went away for a few days recently and came back to a flood of email
from something called eejh that I don't recognize. The messages are
requests to sign-off and other users telling them not to sign off through
the list, virus's and multiple virus warning messages etc. No information
about European Jews that I can see.

I didn't ask to join this new list. I assume that the recipient list from
the old list was folded in to the new one (an automatic subscription if you
will), and since I wasn't around to agree to the new subscription it "took"
without any input from me. Most responsible mailing list administrators ask
for a confirmation message to be relayed back to them, usually within 24
hours, before confirming the subscription. Had this happened in this case I
would have been spared this mess, and I assume that a lot of other users
who are trying to signoff would also have been spared. A competent list
administrator is the most important part of any list.

Cheers

Ed Smits

I have reported the spam message containing only the
Happy99.exe virus sent to all members of this list to the
abuse section of the internet service provider of the
possibly unwitting perpetrator.

Do NOT open this file.

If you have done so and are running an up to the minute
update of either Norton Antivirus or McAfee Virus Scan
[monthly updates not system upgrades] the virus program will
be located for you with a dialogue box for appropriate
action.

Otherwise, www.download.com should have a file named Happy
99 Cleaner.

Until the virus is removed do NOT send an email out as the
virus will automatically attach itself to the email and will
at the same time send itself to everyone in your address
book.

Thanks to Malcolm Davidson for his alertness.

TO members of the list - sorry, I meant to send that last to Jonathan
Rigbi personally, just to be helpful, and pressed the wrong button

John Weiss

See:

http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Security_and_Encryption/Viruses/Spec\
ific_Viruses/Happy99/

for a list of web sites describing that damned virus
and how to get rid of it.

One thing to remember: if you didn't run it, you are
safe and you don't have to do anything. Just delete
it, dlete the message that delivered it, and forget
it.

But Jonathan Rigbi has some PC detective work to do...

===
Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
madpoland@...
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

and it's no good sending an unsubscribe message to the list - it
doesn't work that way - send it to the list manager as detailed
in previous messages fromm eejh very recently.

John Weiss

Jonathan Rigbi wrote:
>
> From: Jonathan Rigbi <rigbi@...>
>
> unsubscribe
>
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===
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madpoland@...
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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In this week's Warsaw Voice, a couple of relevant
articles:

"Invitation for Jews and Non-Jews:
Rabbi Baruch Rabinowitz, the new rabbi for the Warsaw
Jewish Community, talks to Tomasz Oljasz."

http://www.warsawvoice.com.pl/v564/News03.html

"In Search of Jewish Warsaw:
If you are interested in the wartime fate of these
brave people or have a more personal interest, here's
where to go."

http://www.warsawvoice.com.pl/v564/Cult04.html
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Malcolm Davidson - Gdansk, Poland
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Hi,
	 I was just wondering if there were any conventions on
transliterating Hebrew.  I am an Ashkenazi, but was taught Sephardic
pronounciation (i.e. "bat" instead of "bas" for daughter of).
	 Is either one preferred on this list?

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