We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Summer Eclogues study begins Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 Time: 9:00AM MSD (GMT+04:00) We begin our study...
eclogues@egroups.com
Jun 16, 2000 5:02 am
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This morning as I was working through Ecl. 1 in preparation for Monday's discussion, I found myself wishing I had a double-spaced copy of the text that I could...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 17, 2000 4:27 pm
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For those of you who don't have access to Word 6.0 or higher, there is now an Adobe Acrobat (PDF) version of the Greenough text online at ...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 18, 2000 2:58 pm
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Comments or questions on the first lines? One that occurs to me: what are we to make of the fagus in line 1? According to Elfriede Abbe, _The Plants of the...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 19, 2000 3:34 am
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Some thoughts on 'fagi': I would think there must be some kind of significance to this tree. The fact that Tityrus is relaxing under it gives me the impression...
Frank Kimmel
fwkimmel@...
Jun 19, 2000 12:39 pm
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It is tempting to say that the 'fagus' is simply a representation of the pastoral countryside in Italy. Vergil used this symbol to bring the picture of the...
Jesse W. Kercheval
jkercheval@...
Jun 19, 2000 3:32 pm
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I think Jesse is right in calling the beech a representative tree; but I'd take it as a representation of his poetry, rather than of the pastoral world, per...
Andrew Fenton
fentona@...
Jun 19, 2000 6:26 pm
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What other trees and shrubs are mentioned by Meliboeus and Tityrus, and what relation can we _read into it_ (pardon the trendy jargon)? T. has a fagus, M.'s...
Neven Jovanovic
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Jun 19, 2000 11:44 pm
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Following scholar Gordon Williams, I propose that Virgil is suggesting with the Romanized fagus that we are no longer in the Greek world of Theocritus, but nor...
Melinda A Weinstein
Melinda.weinstein@...
Jun 20, 2000 2:46 pm
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... I think you are on to something here, Neven. For Tityrus, nature is consistently sheltering (sub tegmine fagi), and Tityrus's expectations of nature are...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 20, 2000 2:56 pm
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Maybe Meliboeus idealizes Tityrus' farm (52-60) because it is a world he himself no longer has access to. Perhaps the goat giving birth on naked flint...
Melinda A Weinstein
Melinda.weinstein@...
Jun 20, 2000 3:15 pm
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Mmm... I like it. Clearly nature plays a strong role in this poem, though I do not know which shepherd it applies to more. It seems that Tityrus' feelings...
Jesse W. Kercheval
jkercheval@...
Jun 20, 2000 3:27 pm
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Hi my name is Razia Khan, and I am a junior in high school. I was really interested in this study because I've been writing papers on Virgil for the whole year...
RBK108@...
Jun 20, 2000 5:52 pm
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I very much like the contrast pointed to by Neven and David between the exposure of the silice nuda (15)/lapis nudus (47) spoken of by Meliboeus, and the...
Mark Rasmussen
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Jun 20, 2000 8:11 pm
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In addition to the Romanized fagus, we can see the first line as announcing the mixture of Greek and Italian elements (which we'll find throughout the ...
Graeme Miles
gmiles999@...
Jun 21, 2000 3:56 am
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... Sidebar: if anyone is wondering who this Callimachus chap was, there's a very short introduction in the Encyclopedia Britannica (which is now online) ...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 21, 2000 2:56 pm
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... and ... below. I just ... protectiveness of ... te, Tityre, ... natural world ... Meliboeus, and I ... nature, rather ... sacrifice ... characterization...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 21, 2000 3:30 pm
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One more thing in favor of Tityrus: women (Galatea, Amaryllis) like him. Can you imagine Meliboeus with a girlfriend? ... David Wilson-Okamura...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 21, 2000 3:37 pm
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... No, but I can't imagine Virgil with a girlfriend or (to be more inclusive) with a love-interest either. That's another way of saying that, while "Tityrus"...
Mark Rasmussen
rasmuss@...
Jun 21, 2000 4:17 pm
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One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned here (please excuse me if I've missed it) is that Eclogue 1 reflects events in the political arena around the time...
Melissa Goldman
mjgoldman@...
Jun 21, 2000 6:25 pm
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... Weren't Virgil's owns lands confiscated in addition to other in Mantua? I think Pollio and Cornelius Gallus helped him to recover it....
Taylor Truesdale
taylort@...
Jun 21, 2000 9:50 pm
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... Triumvirs, many parts of Italy were confiscated by veterans. Between cities which were punished, there was Cremona and, when area of Cremona begun too...
ivan kapec
ikapec@...
Jun 21, 2000 11:59 pm
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Anyone interested in the subject of land confiscations and the time of Vergil may want to pick up a book by Pierluigi Tozzi (in Italian) in which he looks for...
Jesse W. Kercheval
jkercheval@...
Jun 22, 2000 12:20 pm
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... Jesse Kercheval's web project has some great material on this event; for those who haven't seen it yet, the URL is given in his introduction. It seems to...
David Wilson-Okamura
david@...
Jun 22, 2000 2:35 pm
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Also: Are we sure that Vergil is seeking patronage at this point in his career? Chances are that the two were not as yet acquainted. Vergil was not a...
Jesse W. Kercheval
jkercheval@...
Jun 22, 2000 3:36 pm
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... What about the patronage of Maecenas? Does anyone know when Maecenas and Virgil were introduced to one another?...
Taylor Truesdale
taylort@...
Jun 22, 2000 4:24 pm
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... Couldnt the _sub tegmine_ be as simple as being the protective force for Tityrus now that he, like Virgil, is a citizen of Rome, and not just a provincial?...
Taylor Truesdale
taylort@...
Jun 22, 2000 4:32 pm
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I'm interested in why Tityrus is described in commentary (and I think by someone on the list) as an ex-slave. I can't see any positive reason for so...
tom bishop
tgb2@...
Jun 22, 2000 9:24 pm
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Does the etymology of Tityrus' name - the greek Saturos, Doric Tituros (Theocritus wrote in a Doric dialect) have any thing to do with his personality? To me...
Melinda A Weinstein
Melinda.weinstein@...
Jun 23, 2000 10:02 am
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I think that line 45 carries some significance to Tom's question: "pascite ut ante boves, pueri, submittite tauros" Check out Michael Putnam's AWESOME book on...
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