Etznab,
   I knew October 21 (or October 22) was a special day for the Eckies. Since I've
left a.r.e. over 12 years ago and the path over 25 years ago, the assumption
could be made that I forget because I could really give a rat's ass about this
cult which you so feverishly now pursue with energetic vigor that borders on
obsession. It was a simple mistake and I thank you for clarifying it. Now as the
trees grow; children are born; America sinks further into an intractable
recessive financial crisis and two bozos are trying to get elected you have
opted for trudging onward into the ethers trying to figure out the most
microscopic details of some some long forgotten little blip on the screen of
life; Paul Twitchell. Get a life dude. Is it really that important? Life is
passing you by. "Find a girl. Settle down, if you want, you can
marry".....Father and Son - Cat Stevens

Alf

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
>
> Why did you think that? There was an Eckankar publication at the time
> about his death. I think  part of it was included in the book
> Difficulties Of Becoming The Living Eck Master (p. 256) that came out
> in 1980. Here is what it said about September 1971:
>
> "Rebazar Tarzs stepped into the breach and served as the Living ECK
> Master for the 35 day period between the translation and the passing of
> the Mantle to the present Living ECK Master, Sri Darwin Gross." [... .]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: al_radzik <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 1:30 am
> Subject: [eckankartruth] Re: 41 years ago tonight Paul died
>
>  
> I thought Paul died on October 22?
>
> --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, TuzaHu973@ wrote:
> >
> > 41 years ago tonight I was in Cincinnati, Ohio for the Eck seminar
> that was to be the last night Paul Twitchell walked the earth.  I had
> his last dinner with him late at night. I was one of the first to see
> him in death, I was there when the local HI contacted Gail to tell her
> of his death.
> >
> > All this time and Paul still has impact on my life.  I've chosen
> for that impact to be good.  I've learned lessons from his path and the
> way he lived his life that I either wanted to model and some things I
> definitely didn't want to ever do to another soul. I learned never to
> call another human, "master," I learned that lies are best swallowed by
> others if hidden in bits of truth.  I learned not to just pay attention
> to what someone says, but watch what they do, that always gives them
> away.  I've learned to trust but be cautious, too.  I learned that give
> someone enough power over you and they'll screw with your life.
> >
> > Most of all, I learned no one has a monopoly on God. They may take
> bits of God and shave it into slivers and offer that, but they aren't
> any more messagers of God than I am.
> >
> > Interesting night.  Every Sept 17 I get that misty feeling.  I
> wanted it all so badly to be true.  The teachings themselves say to 'be
> neither for nor against.'  I found it's easier NOT to be 'against'
> something than it is NOT to be 'for' something.  I wanted it to be true
> so badly.   Lessons learned.
> >
>

Three letters (in sequence) from letters to Gail, Volume 3, read similar to
Beyond Power - Chapter 3, The Thunder of Silence, by Joel S. Goldsmith

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChristianScienceIssues2/message/23638

Chapter 11 from The Tiger's Fang (The Worship of Moloch) reads similar to The
Devil's Guard, by Talbot Mundy, first published in 1926.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300661.txt

Chapter from Dialogues With The Master (THE LORD SOHANG SPEAKS) reads similar to
1913 book by Ali Nomad (alias Dr. Alexander J. McIvor-Tyndall) called Cosmic
Consciousness.

http://www.archive.org/stream/cosmicconsciousn00nomaiala#page/2/mode/2up

***

I mention these new findings and illustrate some examples on a.r.e. threads.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e\
65ktbBxHiw

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/O\
fuu8cKUdmY

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/9\
_e16rhw3gA

***

Btw, if anybody wants to find examples of paraphrasing, plagiarisms, etc. in
a.r.e. archives just search for keyword: 41391720. This should bring up most of
the examples I have found.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/alt.religion.eckanka\
r/41391720

Some months ago I started to tag plagiarism examples with that number so I (and
others) could later go back and find them more easily.

There are still old posts I haven't tagged (marked) yet, but when I come across
them in the future I will.

***

IMO, nobody knows how many examples are still out there to be found, because
nobody is really looking. Well, almost nobody :)

My Yahoo account had been bouncing emails since September 25th and I just found
out today. So forgive me if I haven't read, or responded to anything since
September 25th.

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, al_radzik <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Etznab,
>   I knew October 21 (or October 22) was a special day for the Eckies. Since
I've left a.r.e. over 12 years ago and the path over 25 years ago, the
assumption could be made that I forget because I could really give a rat's ass
about this cult which you so feverishly now pursue with energetic vigor that
borders on obsession. It was a simple mistake and I thank you for clarifying it.
Now as the trees grow; children are born; America sinks further into an
intractable recessive financial crisis and two bozos are trying to get elected
you have opted for trudging onward into the ethers trying to figure out the most
microscopic details of some some long forgotten little blip on the screen of
life; Paul Twitchell. Get a life dude. Is it really that important? Life is
passing you by. "Find a girl. Settle down, if you want, you can
marry".....Father and Son - Cat Stevens
>
> Alf
>
> --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, etznab@ wrote:
> >
> > Why did you think that? There was an Eckankar publication at the time
> > about his death. I think  part of it was included in the book
> > Difficulties Of Becoming The Living Eck Master (p. 256) that came out
> > in 1980. Here is what it said about September 1971:
> >
> > "Rebazar Tarzs stepped into the breach and served as the Living ECK
> > Master for the 35 day period between the translation and the passing of
> > the Mantle to the present Living ECK Master, Sri Darwin Gross." [... .]
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: al_radzik <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 1:30 am
> > Subject: [eckankartruth] Re: 41 years ago tonight Paul died
> >
> >  
> > I thought Paul died on October 22?
> >
> > --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, TuzaHu973@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 41 years ago tonight I was in Cincinnati, Ohio for the Eck seminar
> > that was to be the last night Paul Twitchell walked the earth.  I had
> > his last dinner with him late at night. I was one of the first to see
> > him in death, I was there when the local HI contacted Gail to tell her
> > of his death.
> > >
> > > All this time and Paul still has impact on my life.  I've chosen
> > for that impact to be good.  I've learned lessons from his path and the
> > way he lived his life that I either wanted to model and some things I
> > definitely didn't want to ever do to another soul. I learned never to
> > call another human, "master," I learned that lies are best swallowed by
> > others if hidden in bits of truth.  I learned not to just pay attention
> > to what someone says, but watch what they do, that always gives them
> > away.  I've learned to trust but be cautious, too.  I learned that give
> > someone enough power over you and they'll screw with your life.
> > >
> > > Most of all, I learned no one has a monopoly on God. They may take
> > bits of God and shave it into slivers and offer that, but they aren't
> > any more messagers of God than I am.
> > >
> > > Interesting night.  Every Sept 17 I get that misty feeling.  I
> > wanted it all so badly to be true.  The teachings themselves say to 'be
> > neither for nor against.'  I found it's easier NOT to be 'against'
> > something than it is NOT to be 'for' something.  I wanted it to be true
> > so badly.   Lessons learned.
> > >
> >
>

Yes.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/alt.religion.eckanka\
r/41391720$20troward

-----Original Message-----
From: Mjac777 <Mjac777@...>
To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [eckankartruth] New Examples - Paraphrasings, Plagiarisms,
etc.

 
Have you read Thomas Troward? Dore lectures and other works. Paul
lifted word for word in "The Flute of God". I loved the flute of
god..... read it all the time. Imagine my surprise when I began reading
Thomas Troward (who wrote in 1910-20's) and found Twitchell had
plagarized word for word throughout the book. (Flute of God)Sheesh!


-----Original Message-----
From: etznab18 <etznab@...>
To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:00 pm
Subject: [eckankartruth] New Examples - Paraphrasings, Plagiarisms, etc.

                         Three letters (in sequence) from letters to
Gail, Volume 3, read similar to Beyond Power - Chapter 3, The Thunder
of Silence, by Joel S. Goldsmith

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChristianScienceIssues2/message/23638

Chapter 11 from The Tiger's Fang (The Worship of Moloch) reads similar
to The Devil's Guard, by Talbot Mundy, first published in 1926.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300661.txt

Chapter from Dialogues With The Master (THE LORD SOHANG SPEAKS) reads
similar to 1913 book by Ali Nomad (alias Dr. Alexander J.
McIvor-Tyndall) called Cosmic Consciousness.

http://www.archive.org/stream/cosmicconsciousn00nomaiala#page/2/mode/2up

***

I mention these new findings and illustrate some examples on a.r.e.
threads.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e\
65ktbBxHiw

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/O\
fuu8cKUdmY

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/9\
_e16rhw3gA

***

Btw, if anybody wants to find examples of paraphrasing, plagiarisms,
etc. in a.r.e. archives just search for keyword: 41391720. This should
bring up most of the examples I have found.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/alt.religion.eckanka\
r/41391720

Some months ago I started to tag plagiarism examples with that number
so I (and others) could later go back and find them more easily.

There are still old posts I haven't tagged (marked) yet, but when I
come across them in the future I will.

***

IMO, nobody knows how many examples are still out there to be found,
because nobody is really looking. Well, almost nobody :)

A.R.E. repost

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/W\
le6bykppIc

***

Some of my findings, so far, about Paul Twitchell's book, The Key to Eckankar.

The Key to Eckankar is about 43 pages of text. Similarities (near or exact)
between text for The Key to Eckankar and writings of Neville Goddard appear on,
or about pp. 5-6; the writings of Talbot Mundy, p. 6; Neville Goddard pp. 6-7;
Thomas Troward, pp. 8-9; Talbot Mundy, p. 14; Neville Goddard, p. 17; Joel
Goldsmith, p. 19; Talbot Mundy, pp. 23-25, 27; Scientology Dynamics, p. 27;
Neville Goddard, p. 28; Scientology Axioms, p. 37; Joel Goldsmith, pp. 40-42.

This is a list of the books and links.

The Power of Awareness, Neville Goddard (1952)

http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAw\
areness.pdf

Old Ugly Face, Talbot Mundy (1940)

http://arthursclassicnovels.com/mundy/ugfa10.html

Lectures on Mental Science, Thomas Troward (1909)

http://www.archive.org/stream/edinburghlecture00trow#page/n7/mode/2up

Scientology, Hubbard (1950s?)

http://learn.scientology.org/wis4_12.htm

Practicing the Presence, Joel S. Goldsmith (1958)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmi\
th

The Key to Eckankar ("1968")

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0KObtCQpPKbZDhiNjhkZmQtNjI5Yy00ZTZlLWJjZDYtYjY3\
Yzg1Y2I4Mzhj/edit?pli=1

Today I finished illustrating some similarities (near and exact) between Paul
Twitchell (1968) and Joel Goldsmith (1958). The length includes about fourteen
paragraphs from The Key to Eckankar and I'm not quite sure how to begin sharing
them here. Maybe I can do it paragraph by paragraph.

I will begin with quoting The Key to Eckankar (in which case Rebazar Tarzs is
reportedly the speaker; so the text mostly appears in quotes), followed by the
approximate page numbers (for TKTE). After that I will illustrate corresponding
quotes by Goldsmith, as is.

TKTE - p. 19:

"We only have to prove this in one direction and we shall have it proved in
every direction. The whole secret lies in the word heart, or what we call  
consciousness. An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is All is of no
value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth
fully realized via ECKANKAR is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of
the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so we
will see all of life through that understanding."

PTP - Goldsmith (2nd paragraph, p. 19)

   The whole secret lies in the word "consciousness". An intellectual knowledge
of the fact that God is all is of no value. The only value any truth has is in
the degree of its realization. Truth realized is spiritual consciousness. If we
are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity
of God, then so it is unto us.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmi\
th

TKTE - p. 40

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in
consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to
spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active
in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into
ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."

PTP - p. 20

    Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in
consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to
spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is
truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the
first step on the Way.

TKTE - p. 40

"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that
is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth,
attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that
point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration,
however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."

PTP - p. 21

The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive
and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the
first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the
years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth,
attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to
that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration,
however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.

TKTE - p. 40

    "Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the
SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'
    "To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all
things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual
senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in
us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away.
    "How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We
must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with
which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when
we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that
we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the
Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a
realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will
guarantee it.

PTP - p. 21

Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified,
that ye bear much fruit." To live in that truth, to abide in that Word, is to
bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives. But if we
forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we become as
branches that are cut off and wither. How can we abide in this Word if we do not
know it? We must know the truth. We must learn that the correct letter of truth
is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that
principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within
us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of
truth, the consciouness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone
with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it.

[Keep in mind Joel S. Goldsmith's book was called Practicing The Presence and
that another phrase he used (and a book by that same name) was called The
Infinite Way.]

TKTE - p. 41

    "It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still
be the branch that withers away, unless we live so completely in the Word and
let this Word live in us so that the Very Spirit dwells in us-the Spirit of God
in man. No man is devoid of It, but most of us are as unaware of It as we are of
the blood coursing through our veins. God is with us, God's presence fills all
space, the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many have felt that presence? It
is talked about, prayed for, theorized over, and sermonized about; but It is not
experienced! It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of
the Presence, which is necessary."

PTP - pp. 21-22

    It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still
be a branch that withereth, until we so abide in the Word and let this Word
abide in us that the very Spirit of God.  There is a Spirit in man. There
actually is a Spirit - the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of it, but
most of us are as unaware of it as we are of the blood coursing through our
bodies. God is with us. God's presence fills all space; the Spirit of God dwells
in us. But how many people have felt that Presence? It is talked about, prayed
about, theorized about, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced. It is
the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence which
is necessary.

TKTE - p. 41

    "In most religious teachings, we are told that God is everywhere, but this is
not true in the sense of prevalence. If the Spirit of God were everywhere, all
persons would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious.
The Spirit of God is present only where It is Realized. This is why we are all
trying to become channels for Spirit."

PTP - p. 22

   In most religious teachings, we are told that the Spirit God is everywhere,
but that is not true. If the Spirit of the Lord were everywhere, everybody would
be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. No. the Spirit
of the Lord is present only where it is realized.

TKTE - p. 41

    "Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then as far as we are concerned,
we do not have the realization of this Spirit. It is like electricity (which is
everywhere, just as the Spirit of God is), but electricity is of little use or
value to anyone unless it is connected in some way for a particular use. So it
is with the Spirit of God. It is everywhere in an absolute, spiritual sense, but
It is only effective in our experience to the extent to which It is realized."

PTP - p. 22-23

    Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then, as far as we are concerned,
we do not have this Spirit. Again, it is a case of rolling up the window shades,
or it is like saying that electricity is everywhere. That is true. Electricity
is everywhere just as the Spirit of God is everywhere. Electricity, however,
will be of no value to us, unless it is connected in some way for our particular
use. So it is with this Spirit of God. It is everywhere, in an absolute,
spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the extent to
which It is realized.

TKTE - pp. 41-42

    "Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that
he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in
the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going
on all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human duties and
activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some area in his
consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms of nature as
trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some
measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and
activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."

PTP - p. 23

   The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he
has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in
the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on
all the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and
activities; it means that we train himself to have some area of consciousness
always active in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees,
flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of
God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity
of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word.

TKTE - p. 42

    "So it is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of
truth, to understand every principle and then to practice these principles until
we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our
foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in all
scriptures, but mainly in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the Way of the Eternal."

PTP - pp. 23-24

    It is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth,
to understand every principle, and then to practice these principles until we go
from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our
foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in
scripture: Christian, Hebrew, and Oriental. Some of them are not found in any
written form, but nevertheless, they are known to all the mystics of the world.
The further we go in this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one
of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding and they must
become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem, we do not
have to think consciously of any of them.

TKTE - p. 41

    "The deeper we go into this work, the more necessary it is that we know every
one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding, and they
must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem we do not
have to consciously think of them.
    "Someday I will give these principles to you for publication. An
understanding of the principles of spiritual living - that is, a knowledge of
the correct letter of truth - is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we
build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our
relationship is to God. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do
not stumble in a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need
to know the correct letter of truth so that we do not find ourselves in a state
of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and another tomorrow, never coming
to an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of
God's law, and the nature of God's being."

PTP - p. 25

    An understanding of the principles of spiritual living, that is, a knowledge
of the correct letter of truth, is necessary. That is the foundation upon which
we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our
relationship to God and our fellowman is. It is necessary that we know these
things so that we do not stumble into a blind faith that at some time or another
may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth in order that we do
not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and on
another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of that which is. A spiritual
life cannot be built without an understanding of God - the nature and character
of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being.

TKTE - p. 42

    "It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or
reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily
experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an
occasional thought. Let God operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and
night until the actual awareness comes gradually. Then we make the transition
from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be
living in the world and shall gather in the harvest of Souls."

PTP - p. 26

    It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing or
reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily
experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an
occasional thought. Let these principles operate in the consciousness morning,
noon, and night, until gradually the actual awareness comes. Then we make the
transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we
shall be abiding in the Word and shall bear fruit richly. [... .]

***

OK that's about the best I can do right now for the similarities between
Twitchell and Goldsmith that I've found so far. I have them all in a different
format, and where the paragraphs are not broken up, that might be possible to
share in the future. I also have examples from the other authors listed on this
thread. Bear in mind I am still researching Paul Twitchell's book The Key to
Eckankar and may not have found all similarities (near and exact) to date when
the book (or what Rebazar Tarzs reportedly said) is compared with other authors
and their books. Most of them copyrighted.

There is also Harold Klemp's Introduction for the 2003 version of TKTE that I
want to append to this thread. Along with what he had to say about Rebazar
Tarzs.

***

Ref# 41391720-9790-The Key to Eckankar vs. Practicing The Presence (Joel S.
Goldsmith)

Typo correction. I had "train himself" in Goldsmith's version where the correct
words were "train ourselves". There may be other typos I missed ... and so I
recommend comparing the two texts where accuracy might be in doubt.

TKTE - pp. 41-42

"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he
has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the
afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on
all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human duties and
activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some area in his
consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms of nature as
trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some
measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and
activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."

PTP - p. 23

The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he has
read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in the
afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on all
the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and activities; it
means that we train ourselves to have some area of consciousness always active
in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees,
flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of
God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity
of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word.

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "etznab18" <etznab@...> wrote:
>
> A.R.E. repost
>
>
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/W\
le6bykppIc
>
> ***
>
> Some of my findings, so far, about Paul Twitchell's book, The Key to Eckankar.
>
> The Key to Eckankar is about 43 pages of text. Similarities (near or exact)
between text for The Key to Eckankar and writings of Neville Goddard appear on,
or about pp. 5-6; the writings of Talbot Mundy, p. 6; Neville Goddard pp. 6-7;
Thomas Troward, pp. 8-9; Talbot Mundy, p. 14; Neville Goddard, p. 17; Joel
Goldsmith, p. 19; Talbot Mundy, pp. 23-25, 27; Scientology Dynamics, p. 27;
Neville Goddard, p. 28; Scientology Axioms, p. 37; Joel Goldsmith, pp. 40-42.
>
> This is a list of the books and links.
>
> The Power of Awareness, Neville Goddard (1952)
>
>
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAw\
areness.pdf
>
> Old Ugly Face, Talbot Mundy (1940)
>
> http://arthursclassicnovels.com/mundy/ugfa10.html
>
> Lectures on Mental Science, Thomas Troward (1909)
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/edinburghlecture00trow#page/n7/mode/2up
>
> Scientology, Hubbard (1950s?)
>
> http://learn.scientology.org/wis4_12.htm
>
> Practicing the Presence, Joel S. Goldsmith (1958)
>
>
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmi\
th
>
> The Key to Eckankar ("1968")
>
>
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0KObtCQpPKbZDhiNjhkZmQtNjI5Yy00ZTZlLWJjZDYtYjY3\
Yzg1Y2I4Mzhj/edit?pli=1
>
> Today I finished illustrating some similarities (near and exact) between Paul
Twitchell (1968) and Joel Goldsmith (1958). The length includes about fourteen
paragraphs from The Key to Eckankar and I'm not quite sure how to begin sharing
them here. Maybe I can do it paragraph by paragraph.
>
> I will begin with quoting The Key to Eckankar (in which case Rebazar Tarzs is
reportedly the speaker; so the text mostly appears in quotes), followed by the
approximate page numbers (for TKTE). After that I will illustrate corresponding
quotes by Goldsmith, as is.
>
> TKTE - p. 19:
>
> "We only have to prove this in one direction and we shall have it proved in
every direction. The whole secret lies in the word heart, or what we call  
consciousness. An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is All is of no
value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth
fully realized via ECKANKAR is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of
the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so we
will see all of life through that understanding."
>
> PTP - Goldsmith (2nd paragraph, p. 19)
>
>   The whole secret lies in the word "consciousness". An intellectual knowledge
of the fact that God is all is of no value. The only value any truth has is in
the degree of its realization. Truth realized is spiritual consciousness. If we
are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity
of God, then so it is unto us.
>
>
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmi\
th
>
> TKTE - p. 40
>
> "Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in
consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to
spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active
in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into
ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."
>
> PTP - p. 20
>
>    Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in
consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to
spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is
truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the
first step on the Way.
>
> TKTE - p. 40
>
> "The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that
is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth,
attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that
point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration,
however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
>
> PTP - p. 21
>
> The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are
receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however,
unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth.
All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking
truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading
him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This
inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the
letter of truth.
>
> TKTE - p. 40
>
>    "Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall
the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'
>    "To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all
things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual
senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in
us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away.
>    "How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth.
We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with
which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when
we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that
we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the
Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a
realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will
guarantee it.
>
> PTP - p. 21
>
> Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father
glorified, that ye bear much fruit." To live in that truth, to abide in that
Word, is to bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives.
But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we
become as branches that are cut off and wither. How can we abide in this Word if
we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn that the correct letter
of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us
stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual
awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have
attained the spirit of truth, the consciouness of truth, which is the Word of
God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will
guarantee it.
>
> [Keep in mind Joel S. Goldsmith's book was called Practicing The Presence and
that another phrase he used (and a book by that same name) was called The
Infinite Way.]
>
> TKTE - p. 41
>
>    "It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and
still be the branch that withers away, unless we live so completely in the Word
and let this Word live in us so that the Very Spirit dwells in us-the Spirit of
God in man. No man is devoid of It, but most of us are as unaware of It as we
are of the blood coursing through our veins. God is with us, God's presence
fills all space, the Spirit of God dwells in us. But how many have felt that
presence? It is talked about, prayed for, theorized over, and sermonized about;
but It is not experienced! It is the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or
realization of the Presence, which is necessary."
>
> PTP - pp. 21-22
>
>    It is possible to know all the truth found in the letter of truth and still
be a branch that withereth, until we so abide in the Word and let this Word
abide in us that the very Spirit of God.  There is a Spirit in man. There
actually is a Spirit - the Spirit of God in man. No man is devoid of it, but
most of us are as unaware of it as we are of the blood coursing through our
bodies. God is with us. God's presence fills all space; the Spirit of God dwells
in us. But how many people have felt that Presence? It is talked about, prayed
about, theorized about, and sermonized about; but It is not experienced. It is
the conscious awareness, the actual feeling or realization of the Presence which
is necessary.
>
> TKTE - p. 41
>
>    "In most religious teachings, we are told that God is everywhere, but this
is not true in the sense of prevalence. If the Spirit of God were everywhere,
all persons would be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and
harmonious. The Spirit of God is present only where It is Realized. This is why
we are all trying to become channels for Spirit."
>
> PTP - p. 22
>
>   In most religious teachings, we are told that the Spirit God is everywhere,
but that is not true. If the Spirit of the Lord were everywhere, everybody would
be free, healthy, wealthy, independent, joyous, and harmonious. No. the Spirit
of the Lord is present only where it is realized.
>
> TKTE - p. 41
>
>    "Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then as far as we are
concerned, we do not have the realization of this Spirit. It is like electricity
(which is everywhere, just as the Spirit of God is), but electricity is of
little use or value to anyone unless it is connected in some way for a
particular use. So it is with the Spirit of God. It is everywhere in an
absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to the
extent to which It is realized."
>
> PTP - p. 22-23
>
>    Unless we feel the actual presence of God, then, as far as we are
concerned, we do not have this Spirit. Again, it is a case of rolling up the
window shades, or it is like saying that electricity is everywhere. That is
true. Electricity is everywhere just as the Spirit of God is everywhere.
Electricity, however, will be of no value to us, unless it is connected in some
way for our particular use. So it is with this Spirit of God. It is everywhere,
in an absolute, spiritual sense, but It is only effective in our experience to
the extent to which It is realized.
>
> TKTE - pp. 41-42
>
>    "Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied
that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some
truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of
truth going on all the time. This does not mean he is going to neglect his human
duties and activities. It means that he is going to train himself to have some
area in his consciousness always active in truth. Whether we look at the forms
of nature as trees, flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we
find some measure of God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the
presence and activity of God in everything around us and live within the Word."
>
> PTP - p. 23
>
>   The student of spiritual wisdom cannot go through his day, satisfied that he
has read some truth in the morning, or that he is going to hear some truth in
the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious activity of truth going on
all the time. That does not mean that we neglect our human duties and
activities; it means that we train himself to have some area of consciousness
always active in truth. Whether we look out at forms of nature such as trees,
flowers, or oceans, or whether we are meeting people, we find some measure of
God in each experience. We train ourselves to behold the presence and activity
of God in everything around us and to abide in the Word.
>
> TKTE - p. 42
>
>    "So it is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of
truth, to understand every principle and then to practice these principles until
we go from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our
foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in all
scriptures, but mainly in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the Way of the Eternal."
>
> PTP - pp. 23-24
>
>    It is important to learn all that we can about the correct letter of truth,
to understand every principle, and then to practice these principles until we go
from an intellectual knowledge to an inner awareness of them. We build our
foundation on specific principles. Some of these principles are found in
scripture: Christian, Hebrew, and Oriental. Some of them are not found in any
written form, but nevertheless, they are known to all the mystics of the world.
The further we go in this work, the more necessary it is that we know every one
of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding and they must
become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem, we do not
have to think consciously of any of them.
>
> TKTE - p. 41
>
>    "The deeper we go into this work, the more necessary it is that we know
every one of these principles. They are the foundation of our understanding, and
they must become so much a part of us that when we are faced with a problem we
do not have to consciously think of them.
>    "Someday I will give these principles to you for publication. An
understanding of the principles of spiritual living - that is, a knowledge of
the correct letter of truth - is necessary. That is the foundation upon which we
build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what our
relationship is to God. It is necessary that we know these things so that we do
not stumble in a blind faith that at some time or another may desert us. We need
to know the correct letter of truth so that we do not find ourselves in a state
of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and another tomorrow, never coming
to an understanding of God - the nature and character of God, the nature of
God's law, and the nature of God's being."
>
> PTP - p. 25
>
>    An understanding of the principles of spiritual living, that is, a
knowledge of the correct letter of truth, is necessary. That is the foundation
upon which we build, so that we understand where we are going and why, and what
our relationship to God and our fellowman is. It is necessary that we know these
things so that we do not stumble into a blind faith that at some time or another
may desert us. We need to know the correct letter of truth in order that we do
not find ourselves in a state of mental chaos, relying on one thing today and on
another tomorrow, never coming to an understanding of that which is. A spiritual
life cannot be built without an understanding of God - the nature and character
of God, the nature of God's law, and the nature of God's being.
>
> TKTE - p. 42
>
>    "It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing
or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily
experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an
occasional thought. Let God operate in the consciousness morning, noon, and
night until the actual awareness comes gradually. Then we make the transition
from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we shall be
living in the world and shall gather in the harvest of Souls."
>
> PTP - p. 26
>
>    It is possible for anyone to change the trend of his life, not by hearing
or reading truth, but by making it an active part of his consciousness in daily
experience, until it becomes a habit every moment of the day, instead of an
occasional thought. Let these principles operate in the consciousness morning,
noon, and night, until gradually the actual awareness comes. Then we make the
transition from being hearers of the Word to being doers of the Word. Then we
shall be abiding in the Word and shall bear fruit richly. [... .]
>
> ***
>
> OK that's about the best I can do right now for the similarities between
Twitchell and Goldsmith that I've found so far. I have them all in a different
format, and where the paragraphs are not broken up, that might be possible to
share in the future. I also have examples from the other authors listed on this
thread. Bear in mind I am still researching Paul Twitchell's book The Key to
Eckankar and may not have found all similarities (near and exact) to date when
the book (or what Rebazar Tarzs reportedly said) is compared with other authors
and their books. Most of them copyrighted.
>
> There is also Harold Klemp's Introduction for the 2003 version of TKTE that I
want to append to this thread. Along with what he had to say about Rebazar
Tarzs.
>
> ***
>
> Ref# 41391720-9790-The Key to Eckankar vs. Practicing The Presence (Joel S.
Goldsmith)
>

Really, I just want to thank you so much for all the work you've done over the
years, documenting Twitch's plagiarism.  I appreciate it *so* much, and I hope
others appreciate the work you've done too.

I made the mistake some years back of promising that I'd do a new & more
comprehensive website, and that was a big mistake because I've never done it,
and I take my promises very seriously, which is why I very seldom promise
anything.  My kids have always been very frustrated about that, because all
they'd get was "I'll try my best!"

So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of your plagiarism
discoveries in a neat & orderly way.  I'm not making any promises, though.  To
be honest, since you're familiar with your own work, I wonder why you don't do
it yourself!  It's easy to do a website, really.

Anyway....thanks *so* much, from the bottom & top of my heart!!  I just hope
that others appreciate you & all your work as much as I do!

BTW, lately I'm just totally bogged down with doing surveys for $ & points
towards gifts for the grandkids, and I'm getting *so* burned out!!  So, I spent
a bit of time on eckstuff, and also was in the mood for some poetry so I looked
for yours again, and can't find it anywhere!!  And I hope my mentioning it
hasn't embarrassed you or anything, but after all, it *did* used to be on the
internet, and if I found it, I'm sure other people could have so I don't think
you meant to keep it private, unless you've changed your mind!   And if you
like, feel free to post it here at ET!

It's just amazing how someone can be so detail-oriented - are you an engineer in
"real life" perchance?  I've known some engineers and they're fascinating,
they're so "alien" to me, the way they're so detail-oriented & keep lists & all
that stuff, mot at all poetic!!  So hey, really, if they're not on the internet
anymore, I'd love to read them again, would you mind sending them?  And I hope I
haven't embarrassed you or anything. but they did used to be on the internet
along with your timeline, so anyone could've found them if they'd looked, just
like I did.

I'm just totally in awe of the way you've found all that plagiarism.

Take care now, and thanks so much!

Hugs,

Sharon

"So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of your
plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way. I'm not making any
promises, though. To be honest, since you're familiar with your own
work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself! It's easy to do a website,
really."

It's in the works. I can tell you that. Problem is, it's a gargantuan
task. Just compiling the known plagiarisms is hard enough (there are so
many) but then I keep finding new ones. I mean, have you any idea how
much material for Paul Twitchell's books was compiled from other books
and authors? And that's just the thing. Nobody knows unless they really
look. And when they do it's like opening Pandora's Box!

Already, in the past year, I've found appropriated material from
sources not mentioned by anybody else. Perhaps not known by anybody
else.

Years ago I believed that so much of what I read had come from from Eck
Masters mentioned by Paul Twitchell. That's because I didn't think to
check, or verify.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon <brighttigress@...>
To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:01 pm
Subject: [eckankartruth] Thanks, Etznab

 

Really, I just want to thank you so much for all the work you've done
over the years, documenting Twitch's plagiarism.  I appreciate it *so*
much, and I hope others appreciate the work you've done too.

I made the mistake some years back of promising that I'd do a new &
more comprehensive website, and that was a big mistake because I've
never done it, and I take my promises very seriously, which is why I
very seldom promise anything.  My kids have always been very frustrated
about that, because all they'd get was "I'll try my best!"

So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of your
plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way.  I'm not making any
promises, though.  To be honest, since you're familiar with your own
work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself!  It's easy to do a
website, really.

Anyway....thanks *so* much, from the bottom & top of my heart!!  I just
hope that others appreciate you & all your work as much as I do!

BTW, lately I'm just totally bogged down with doing surveys for $ &
points towards gifts for the grandkids, and I'm getting *so* burned
out!!  So, I spent a bit of time on eckstuff, and also was in the mood
for some poetry so I looked for yours again, and can't find it
anywhere!!  And I hope my mentioning it hasn't embarrassed you or
anything, but after all, it *did* used to be on the internet, and if I
found it, I'm sure other people could have so I don't think you meant
to keep it private, unless you've changed your mind!   And if you like,
feel free to post it here at ET!

It's just amazing how someone can be so detail-oriented - are you an
engineer in "real life" perchance?  I've known some engineers and
they're fascinating, they're so "alien" to me, the way they're so
detail-oriented & keep lists & all that stuff, mot at all poetic!!  So
hey, really, if they're not on the internet anymore, I'd love to read
them again, would you mind sending them?  And I hope I haven't
embarrassed you or anything. but they did used to be on the internet
along with your timeline, so anyone could've found them if they'd
looked, just like I did.

I'm just totally in awe of the way you've found all that plagiarism.

Take care now, and thanks so much!

Hugs,

Sharon

Hi Etznab -

Oh believe me, I can appreciate it's a gargantuan task!  At some point in my own
"detracting" career I realized that darn, I'd done *so* much research &
commentary on eckstuff that might have done more good on a website, but when I
started out, I had *no* idea how much I'd end up doing.  And all I did was
comment on eckstuff and point out different silly things about it.

What you've done is totally awesome.  I can only imagine how you feel when you
look at what you've done - and that big hole you're digging just keeps getting
deeper & deeper!!  And what's even more awesome is that you are/were an eckist. 
Not all eckists are reallly that interested in the truth, you know?   I really
appreciate your honesty & integrity, in publicly posting "the truth".

I have no idea if you've kept track of all your discoveries, or if you've kept
them in any kind of order, but I've been thinking, maybe the best way to do it
is eckbook by eckbook.  There's a problem there too, because Twitch used the
same material in different books plus in the discourses - right now, I have *no*
idea what they're putting in the discourses, and in what order.

When I was a member, I took all that stuff about keeping the discourse material
private & not letting it be seen by the profane eyes of the un=initiated or they
would explode or something, then at some point I noticed that quite a bit of the
discourse material was taken right from the "public" eckbooks.

Yep, the enormity of it is totally mind-boggling!!  And I can't imagine the work
it took for Twitch to plagiarize so much from so any sources - good grief it
seems to me that it would have been a lot easier for him to just paraphrase
everything and write it all himself, you know?

So, I don't know if you've kept track of all your work....I'm thinking perhaps
the way to do it is eckbook by eckbook.  Gawd, I haven't even looked at all my
eckbooks for years - they look like porcupines with all the little post-its
sticking out, marking pages!!

Yep, it's an enormous job.  And good grief, I moved to my current apartment 3 or
4 years ago and I'm still not unpacked!!   Haven't looked at my eckstuff in so
long.

I was thinking earlier today, the way to do it might be eckbook by eckbook, I
could do a search for your posts with a particular eckbook title, organize
things in a notebook after printing them out - I ran out of printer ink quite a
few years ago, but I just bought myself a new printer - it's still in the box. 
I don't do well with cyberstuff, I need "real" things, written down, so I want
to start printing things out & organizing them in a notebook, eckbook by
eckbook.

It's really mind-boggling to think of what Twitch went thru doing all that
plagiarizing - seems to me it would've been so much easier for him to just write
his own stuff, paraphrasing everything!

And to be honest, right now I'm more interested in just staring out my window
hoping to see the albino cardinal again!!!!  And, I had a big thrill just the
other day - the neighborhood hawk landed in my everygreen bush, right in front
of my window, only about 4' away!!!   Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, although I've had a nice day "off", I realy need to get back to work on
those darned surveys!!

Take care now - and you know, if someone is really interested, they can do
searches for all your posts.  That's what I did back when I was an eckist and
first got on the internet - I searched for anything I could find.  Nowadays
there's a heck of a lot more information here on the internet, though.  But if
someone's really interested in learning the truth, and finding the facts, they
shouldn't mind doing a bit of work.  It's definitely worth it!

Okay, take care now, and have a nice Thanksgiving!

Hugs,

Sharon


--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
>
> "So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of your
> plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way. I'm not making any
> promises, though. To be honest, since you're familiar with your own
> work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself! It's easy to do a website,
> really."
>
> It's in the works. I can tell you that. Problem is, it's a gargantuan
> task. Just compiling the known plagiarisms is hard enough (there are so
> many) but then I keep finding new ones. I mean, have you any idea how
> much material for Paul Twitchell's books was compiled from other books
> and authors? And that's just the thing. Nobody knows unless they really
> look. And when they do it's like opening Pandora's Box!
>
> Already, in the past year, I've found appropriated material from
> sources not mentioned by anybody else. Perhaps not known by anybody
> else.
>
> Years ago I believed that so much of what I read had come from from Eck
> Masters mentioned by Paul Twitchell. That's because I didn't think to
> check, or verify.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon <brighttigress@...>
> To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:01 pm
> Subject: [eckankartruth] Thanks, Etznab
>
>  
>
> Really, I just want to thank you so much for all the work you've done
> over the years, documenting Twitch's plagiarism.  I appreciate it *so*
> much, and I hope others appreciate the work you've done too.
>
> I made the mistake some years back of promising that I'd do a new &
> more comprehensive website, and that was a big mistake because I've
> never done it, and I take my promises very seriously, which is why I
> very seldom promise anything.  My kids have always been very frustrated
> about that, because all they'd get was "I'll try my best!"
>
> So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of your
> plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way.  I'm not making any
> promises, though.  To be honest, since you're familiar with your own
> work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself!  It's easy to do a
> website, really.
>
> Anyway....thanks *so* much, from the bottom & top of my heart!!  I just
> hope that others appreciate you & all your work as much as I do!
>
> BTW, lately I'm just totally bogged down with doing surveys for $ &
> points towards gifts for the grandkids, and I'm getting *so* burned
> out!!  So, I spent a bit of time on eckstuff, and also was in the mood
> for some poetry so I looked for yours again, and can't find it
> anywhere!!  And I hope my mentioning it hasn't embarrassed you or
> anything, but after all, it *did* used to be on the internet, and if I
> found it, I'm sure other people could have so I don't think you meant
> to keep it private, unless you've changed your mind!   And if you like,
> feel free to post it here at ET!
>
> It's just amazing how someone can be so detail-oriented - are you an
> engineer in "real life" perchance?  I've known some engineers and
> they're fascinating, they're so "alien" to me, the way they're so
> detail-oriented & keep lists & all that stuff, mot at all poetic!!  So
> hey, really, if they're not on the internet anymore, I'd love to read
> them again, would you mind sending them?  And I hope I haven't
> embarrassed you or anything. but they did used to be on the internet
> along with your timeline, so anyone could've found them if they'd
> looked, just like I did.
>
> I'm just totally in awe of the way you've found all that plagiarism.
>
> Take care now, and thanks so much!
>
> Hugs,
>
> Sharon
>

Hi Sharon,

> When I was a member, I took all that stuff about keeping the discourse
> material private & not letting it be seen by the profane eyes of the
> un=initiated or they would explode or something ...

He probably plagiarised this too, from Scientology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_thetan#Secrecy

It seems like a useful technique.  It keeps embarrassing information out
of the public eye, but more importantly it makes the member feel that
the information is highly significant.  No doubt it's very exciting for
Scientologists when they sign the promise of secrecy and get an envelope
containing OT III in exchange.

Then they can finally read about the Galactic Federation.  (Seriously!)

Pete

I am keeping track of everything, and have a page for every Eckankar
book by Paul Twitchell. So yes, this is how I'm going about it. Book by
book!

(The thing is I want to know where this information really came from
that I'd been reading about for years.)

There were examples illustrated by David Lane, for books like The Far
Country, the Shariyat and others. Also, examples found by people like
Stockdale? (I think that's the name), etc.

About a year ago I started to tag posts with plagiarism information by
assigning a unique set of numbers so I could easily find them later.
What I've done in the past six months, or so, is retrieve that
information (along with the examples by David and others) and lay it
out on pages book by book. I've seen a lot. Probably more than just
about anybody - and because I'm finding new examples all the time.

Here's a short list of books and authors with writings similar, or
exact, compared with the Eckankar books by Paul Twitchell.

(Don't worry about saving this information to make a website. It's
already being done.)

The Tiger's Fang - The Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939), The
Devil's Guard, Talbot Mundy (1926); Cosmic Consciousness, Ali Nomad
(1913), The Secret of Light, Walter Russell   (1947)

The Key to Eckankar - The Power of Awareness, Neville Goddard (1952);
Old Ugly Face, Talbot   Mundy (1940); Practicing the Presence, Joel S.
Goldsmith (1958)

The Flute of God - The Dore Lectures on Mental Science, Thomas Troward
(1909); The Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939); The Mysticism
of Sound, Hazrat Inayat Khan (1923), The Hidden Power, Thomas Troward
(1921); RADHASOAMI MAT PRAKASH (1897)

Dialogues With The Master - Cosmic Consciousness, Ali Nomad (1915);
Radhasoami Mat Prakash, (1897);  AN INTRODUCTION TO THE THEORY OF
RELATIVITY, L. BOLTON, M.A. (1921?); "The Master Key" by Charles Haanel
- part 1 (1912)

The Far Country - Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939); Louis
Lavelle; Swami Vivekananda; Awakened Imagination, Neville Goddard (1954)

Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad I - The Lost Continent of Mu, Col. James Churchward
(1931); The Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939)

The Spiritual Notebook - The Great Initiates by Edward Schure, (1961 -
original version in French 1889)

Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad II - The Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939);
Lavelle; The Way of The White Clouds: A Buddhist Pilgrim in Tibet, by
Lama Anagarika Govinda (1966), In search of the   Miraculous, P. D.
Ospensky (1949)

The Eck-Vidya - The Key to the Universe, F. Homer Curtiss (1917) 

Letters to Gail I - The Path Of The Masters, Julian Johnson (1939);
Lavelle; Scientology Axioms, Hubbard (1950s)

The Talons of Time - Matter and Memory, Henri Bergson (1911)

Letters to Gail II - Taking The Literary Pulse - Psychological Studies
of Life and Letters by Joseph Collins (1924?,  2010)

Letters to Gail III - The Thunder of Silence, Joel S. Goldsmith (1911)

***

It's just a drop in the bucket and there are books I haven't gotten to
yet. For the ones that I have gotten to the number of examples found so
far are probably just the tip of an iceberg. And I still haven't
captured all the information, I mean all the examples, made public to
date.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon <brighttigress@...>
To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 11:33 pm
Subject: [eckankartruth] Re: Thanks, Etznab

 

Hi Etznab -

Oh believe me, I can appreciate it's a gargantuan task!  At some point
in my own "detracting" career I realized that darn, I'd done *so* much
research & commentary on eckstuff that might have done more good on a
website, but when I started out, I had *no* idea how much I'd end up
doing.  And all I did was comment on eckstuff and point out different
silly things about it.

What you've done is totally awesome.  I can only imagine how you feel
when you look at what you've done - and that big hole you're digging
just keeps getting deeper & deeper!!  And what's even more awesome is
that you are/were an eckist.  Not all eckists are reallly that
interested in the truth, you know?   I really appreciate your honesty &
integrity, in publicly posting "the truth".

I have no idea if you've kept track of all your discoveries, or if
you've kept them in any kind of order, but I've been thinking, maybe
the best way to do it is eckbook by eckbook.  There's a problem there
too, because Twitch used the same material in different books plus in
the discourses - right now, I have *no* idea what they're putting in
the discourses, and in what order.

When I was a member, I took all that stuff about keeping the discourse
material private & not letting it be seen by the profane eyes of the
un=initiated or they would explode or something, then at some point I
noticed that quite a bit of the discourse material was taken right from
the "public" eckbooks.

Yep, the enormity of it is totally mind-boggling!!  And I can't imagine
the work it took for Twitch to plagiarize so much from so any sources -
good grief it seems to me that it would have been a lot easier for him
to just paraphrase everything and write it all himself, you know?

So, I don't know if you've kept track of all your work....I'm thinking
perhaps the way to do it is eckbook by eckbook.  Gawd, I haven't even
looked at all my eckbooks for years - they look like porcupines with
all the little post-its sticking out, marking pages!!

Yep, it's an enormous job.  And good grief, I moved to my current
apartment 3 or 4 years ago and I'm still not unpacked!!   Haven't
looked at my eckstuff in so long.

I was thinking earlier today, the way to do it might be eckbook by
eckbook, I could do a search for your posts with a particular eckbook
title, organize things in a notebook after printing them out - I ran
out of printer ink quite a few years ago, but I just bought myself a
new printer - it's still in the box.  I don't do well with cyberstuff,
I need "real" things, written down, so I want to start printing things
out & organizing them in a notebook, eckbook by eckbook.

It's really mind-boggling to think of what Twitch went thru doing all
that plagiarizing - seems to me it would've been so much easier for him
to just write his own stuff, paraphrasing everything!

And to be honest, right now I'm more interested in just staring out my
window hoping to see the albino cardinal again!!!!  And, I had a big
thrill just the other day - the neighborhood hawk landed in my
everygreen bush, right in front of my window, only about 4' away!!!
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, although I've had a nice day "off", I realy need to get back to
work on those darned surveys!!

Take care now - and you know, if someone is really interested, they can
do searches for all your posts.  That's what I did back when I was an
eckist and first got on the internet - I searched for anything I could
find.  Nowadays there's a heck of a lot more information here on the
internet, though.  But if someone's really interested in learning the
truth, and finding the facts, they shouldn't mind doing a bit of work.
It's definitely worth it!

Okay, take care now, and have a nice Thanksgiving!

Hugs,

Sharon

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
>
> "So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of
your
> plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way. I'm not making any
> promises, though. To be honest, since you're familiar with your
own
> work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself! It's easy to do a
website,
> really."
>
> It's in the works. I can tell you that. Problem is, it's a
gargantuan
> task. Just compiling the known plagiarisms is hard enough (there
are so
> many) but then I keep finding new ones. I mean, have you any idea
how
> much material for Paul Twitchell's books was compiled from other
books
> and authors? And that's just the thing. Nobody knows unless they
really
> look. And when they do it's like opening Pandora's Box!
>
> Already, in the past year, I've found appropriated material from
> sources not mentioned by anybody else. Perhaps not known by
anybody
> else.
>
> Years ago I believed that so much of what I read had come from
from Eck
> Masters mentioned by Paul Twitchell. That's because I didn't think
to
> check, or verify.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon <brighttigress@...>
> To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 10:01 pm
> Subject: [eckankartruth] Thanks, Etznab
>
>  
>
> Really, I just want to thank you so much for all the work you've
done
> over the years, documenting Twitch's plagiarism.  I appreciate it
*so*
> much, and I hope others appreciate the work you've done too.
>
> I made the mistake some years back of promising that I'd do a new
&
> more comprehensive website, and that was a big mistake because
I've
> never done it, and I take my promises very seriously, which is why
I
> very seldom promise anything.  My kids have always been very
frustrated
> about that, because all they'd get was "I'll try my best!"
>
> So, I'm going to really try my best to do a website with all of
your
> plagiarism discoveries in a neat & orderly way.  I'm not making
any
> promises, though.  To be honest, since you're familiar with your
own
> work, I wonder why you don't do it yourself!  It's easy to do a
> website, really.
>
> Anyway....thanks *so* much, from the bottom & top of my heart!!  I
just
> hope that others appreciate you & all your work as much as I do!
>
> BTW, lately I'm just totally bogged down with doing surveys for $
&
> points towards gifts for the grandkids, and I'm getting *so*
burned
> out!!  So, I spent a bit of time on eckstuff, and also was in the
mood
> for some poetry so I looked for yours again, and can't find it
> anywhere!!  And I hope my mentioning it hasn't embarrassed you or
> anything, but after all, it *did* used to be on the internet, and
if I
> found it, I'm sure other people could have so I don't think you
meant
> to keep it private, unless you've changed your mind!   And if you
like,
> feel free to post it here at ET!
>
> It's just amazing how someone can be so detail-oriented - are you
an
> engineer in "real life" perchance?  I've known some engineers and
> they're fascinating, they're so "alien" to me, the way they're so
> detail-oriented & keep lists & all that stuff, mot at all poetic!!
  So
> hey, really, if they're not on the internet anymore, I'd love to
read
> them again, would you mind sending them?  And I hope I haven't
> embarrassed you or anything. but they did used to be on the
internet
> along with your timeline, so anyone could've found them if they'd
> looked, just like I did.
>
> I'm just totally in awe of the way you've found all that
plagiarism.
>
> Take care now, and thanks so much!
>
> Hugs,
>
> Sharon
>

First off I would to ask ex eckist where were spiritually in your knowledge of
spirit before you join eckankar, where you the expert you are now or did you
learn something and then like most humans felt that you became supreme in all
subjects and don't need to further your studies anymore, because from reading
these comments it appears most have fallen in the trap of ego, ha ha ha, poor
poor soul, you know so much, if you did you would have figured out by now that
you could clear your conscious and all knowledge to any question would be
transmitted to you in a visualization that has nothing to do with being blocked
out by censors, I have to laugh because I myself have learn so much just by
being pointed in the right direction, I was not giving anything from eckankar
except that and all else I must experience, so I hope you reconsider before you
write bs stories about eckankar because you know and I know that most of you
just think your shyth don't stink. I spend some time reading and writing
comments on yahoo on different stories that come during the week, came across
this site while looking for info on 3rd initiation, after reading some of these
comments from ex eckist, i find out their attitude towards subjects are no
different then what i read on yahoo news stories.

OK this story is about me, since joining eckankar in 1981, I had a background in
the catholic church, no so much a regular but on and off, I was intriqued by
supernormal powers that I might have the potential to learn, its 2012 and
although i'm going to tell these powers i don't use them but very rarely,
1)ability to visualize what another person is thinking
2)ability to see very near future of my upcoming events in my life,example if I
want a job I do a certain exercise and then I become aware of this upcoming job
and major events that I can manipulate in the future to improve certain events
while working in this job
3)ability to move or stop objects
4)ability to turn off street lights when I approach them, doesn't happen all the
time just when I'm vibrating a lot because a certain near future event is about
to happen that I will have to deal with
5)to change the views of large numbers of people from one thought to another but
in a positive way or negative way
6)total awareness of the dream state in vivid color with management of the
dream, not all dreams because sometimes I get some that of new interest and
opportunities
7)the ability to picked up the entire emotional state of residents of any city,
this is a tricky one because its relative and changes so I have to specify
content.
8)ability to change my surrounding environment which includes the people around
me to a positive or negative state, meaning i can impove a situation or do
nothing or rile the crowd up
9)any question I want answered cannot be hidden from me
10)ability to know that this is powers to learn from but not abuse
   so in conclusion I have left other powers out, because of choice and I feel
that I may have had these all along but are now rediscovering them, but I have
sneaky suspicion that I can screw it all up if not careful.  In eck always

ex eckist who write negative comments about eckankar remind me so much of the
employees that are hired by a company and in their first year they are eager to
learn everything about this company, the second year they still don't know quite
enough but have the basics down, the third year they are getting a little more
confident then when they first started and are able to help new employees with
the basics, by the fourth year with company they start to become a little vocal
and start suggesting ways to improve certain areas in the company, by the fifth
year they start to question the management and their ways in running the
company, by the six year they have become supreme in all things dealing with the
company and think the management is worthless or needs help, its about this time
a new employee shows up and replaces you.

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, Hawksblood2@... wrote:
>
> A note to all leaving eckankar. I was tring to get back in just to lead the
children in the right direction . I was told that I can be apart of the inner
works but not the outer. I was thrown out 7 years ago and they are still afraid
of me. I know to many things they are afraid to face if any one whants to talk
to me  i am not afraid to talk. to any body.  Peace  alawys   Tommy
>
how in the hell do you get thrown out of eckankar?

Hi Todd,

> ex eckist who write negative comments about eckankar remind me so much
> of the employees that are hired by a company and in their first year
> they are eager to learn everything about this company, the second year
> they still don't know quite enough but have the basics down, the third
> year they are getting a little more confident then when they first
> started and are able to help new employees with the basics, by the
> fourth year with company they start to become a little vocal and start
> suggesting ways to improve certain areas in the company, by the fifth
> year they start to question the management and their ways in running the
> company, by the six year they have become supreme in all things dealing
> with the company and think the management is worthless or needs help,
> its about this time a new employee shows up and replaces you.

Don't stop telling the story half way through. :-) Was the employee
right that the management was worthless?

Pete

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, Pete Chown <pete@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Todd,
>
> > ex eckist who write negative comments about eckankar remind me so much
> > of the employees that are hired by a company and in their first year
> > they are eager to learn everything about this company, the second year
> > they still don't know quite enough but have the basics down, the third
> > year they are getting a little more confident then when they first
> > started and are able to help new employees with the basics, by the
> > fourth year with company they start to become a little vocal and start
> > suggesting ways to improve certain areas in the company, by the fifth
> > year they start to question the management and their ways in running the
> > company, by the six year they have become supreme in all things dealing
> > with the company and think the management is worthless or needs help,
> > its about this time a new employee shows up and replaces you.
>


> Don't stop telling the story half way through. :-) Was the employee
> right that the management was worthless?
>
> Pete
>

This guy obviously doesn't know anything about ex-eckists OR eckankar.  Gotta
feel sorry for him.

This spewing rant is a good example of what an eckist is actually doing when
confronted by anyone who asks a questions or may simply disagree with eck Dogma.
It shows their actual level of confusion and almost manic thought process.

Tygerpurr ;)

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "todd_gambino" <todd_gambino@...> wrote:
>
> First off I would to ask ex eckist where were spiritually in your knowledge of
spirit before you join eckankar, where you the expert you are now or did you
learn something and then like most humans felt that you became supreme in all
subjects and don't need to further your studies anymore, because from reading
these comments it appears most have fallen in the trap of ego, ha ha ha, poor
poor soul, you know so much, if you did you would have figured out by now that
you could clear your conscious and all knowledge to any question would be
transmitted to you in a visualization that has nothing to do with being blocked
out by censors, I have to laugh because I myself have learn so much just by
being pointed in the right direction, I was not giving anything from eckankar
except that and all else I must experience, so I hope you reconsider before you
write bs stories about eckankar because you know and I know that most of you
just think your shyth don't stink. I spend some time reading and writing
comments on yahoo on different stories that come during the week, came across
this site while looking for info on 3rd initiation, after reading some of these
comments from ex eckist, i find out their attitude towards subjects are no
different then what i read on yahoo news stories.
>

Just today I found some similarities between a Brown Landone work and Dialogues
With The Master.

As it is now I only have one link to the source and not all of the pages are
available for viewing.

Check this a.r.e. thread if interested.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/6-SNK-uM1M4

Btw, Brown Landone apparently mentioned 'soul travel' years before Eckankar was
officially founded. He had some interesting opinions about it too.

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, lemrag3@... wrote:
>
> --- In eckankartruth@y..., zorch@i... wrote:
> > Hi Sharon,
> >
> > This is definately the same Neville that I researched for Lane's
> site.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
>
> Nice work, Chuck! I think another potential source for twitchell's
> thefts might be Brown Landone. If I remember, some years back,
> I was reading over some of the twit's great expoundings and it
> began reminding me of Landone's works. I meant to check
> further into this, but keep putting it off due to rapidly advancing
> laziness. :-)
>
> Have you ever looked into a possible connection with Landone's
> books?
>
> -Charlie-
>

Hi Sharon,

> This guy obviously doesn't know anything about ex-eckists OR eckankar.
> Gotta feel sorry for him.

I know...  But I thought the analogy was interesting.  The implication
was that the people running the business were bound to be right, and the
employee wrong.  That's very similar to someone in a cult thinking that
the leadership is always right.

Pete

So, Paul,

You don't believe HE can do any of those things, or that ANYONE can do those
things. Do you think that all of that is outside the realm of human potential?

I don't. I don't really know this guy, but statistically it's improbable.
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.

Kind and sceptical.

Russ

--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "Paul@..." <Paul@...> wrote:
>
> What a crock!  My in depth answer to all that is simply....Prove it.
>
> Paul Olson
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "todd_gambino" <todd_gambino@...> wrote:
>
> OK this story is about me, since joining eckankar in 1981, I had a background
in the catholic church, no so much a regular but on and off, I was intriqued by
supernormal powers that I might have the potential to learn, its 2012 and
although i'm going to tell these powers i don't use them but very rarely,
> 1)ability to visualize what another person is thinking
> 2)ability to see very near future of my upcoming events in my life,example if
I want a job I do a certain exercise and then I become aware of this upcoming
job and major events that I can manipulate in the future to improve certain
events while working in this job
> 3)ability to move or stop objects
> 4)ability to turn off street lights when I approach them, doesn't happen all
the time just when I'm vibrating a lot because a certain near future event is
about to happen that I will have to deal with
> 5)to change the views of large numbers of people from one thought to another
but in a positive way or negative way
> 6)total awareness of the dream state in vivid color with management of the
dream, not all dreams because sometimes I get some that of new interest and
opportunities
> 7)the ability to picked up the entire emotional state of residents of any
city, this is a tricky one because its relative and changes so I have to specify
content.
> 8)ability to change my surrounding environment which includes the people
around me to a positive or negative state, meaning i can impove a situation or
do nothing or rile the crowd up
> 9)any question I want answered cannot be hidden from me
> 10)ability to know that this is powers to learn from but not abuse
> so in conclusion I have left other powers out, because of choice and I feel
that I may have had these all along but are now rediscovering them, but I have
sneaky suspicion that I can screw it all up if not careful. In eck always
>

people drop out of eckankar all the time, doesn't mean anything, everyone has
their own way of getting what they need anyway, eckankar is not for everyone
just like being a catholic isnt for everyone, doesn't mean that either is a
wrong path or needs to be criticized, if something doesn't work for you, say a
marriage, some people get a divorce, doesn't mean the institution of marriage is
faulty.

I guessing what the real issue is with ex eckist is the getting to a true
heaven without being initiated to a certain degree, and the eck master states he
is the only one who can provide this, of course you would have to earn it, but
personally I can't see hanging around some soul in a true heaven with opinions
anyway, it all comes down to either you know or don't know, and if you don't
know you spend your time in the world of opinions, knocking other religions or
faiths,so once again it come's full circle where you either know or don't know.
Support groups are like a bunch of people who gather to support an opinion
anyway, whether it right or wrong, every person I've read about in the modern
history books, whether they did good things or bad things had their support
groups who thought like them. So in conclusion if you want to hear what you want
to hear their is a support group out there waiting for you.

no the ex employee wasn't right, the company was there before he even considered
working for them, and the company tick along just fine with or with out him. He
mistakenly assumed he was not replaceable and became focus on other issues
except his primary work responsibilities, eventually his work suffered and he
had to be replaced. So in conclusion i was reading these post from ex eckist and
it reminded me of this story of the ex employee who happened to be me.

i am never in the human conscious when doing any of the things i mentioned, heck
if ex eckist don't know that simple principle i can understand why they felt
like they were not making progress, the human conscious is so limited in its
abilities, i look upon it as a machine.

I can't believe I wasn't even thinking when I approved your posts.  Todd, it's
quite obvious you have NOT done your homework about former cult members and why
we left.  No one here is the least bit interested in what you have to say. 
We've been there, done that.  If you're comfy holding on to your erroneous
beliefs and assumptions, fine!!

BYE!!!

Sharon



--- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "todd_gambino" <todd_gambino@...> wrote:
>
> i am never in the human conscious when doing any of the things i mentioned,
heck if ex eckist don't know that simple principle i can understand why they
felt like they were not making progress, the human conscious is so limited in
its abilities, i look upon it as a machine.
>