Hi Barbara,

Broughty Ferry achieved burgh status in 1864.  This remained until
it became part of Dundee in 1913.  The Broughty Ferry Town Council
minutes (1877-1913) are with Dundee City Archives.  These include
minutes of the Police Commissioners.

It is worth noting that the Police Commissioners were not like the
modern police but had responsibilities for certain civic amenities
(e.g. street lighting), functions which nowadays would rest with the
local council itself.

All the best,

Grant

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Neish"
<neishnook@i...> wrote:
> Hello Everyone :
>
> My ancestor, DANIEL WALKER, 1804 - 1878) (husband to Anna
Elizabeth Neish)
> besides being the "Inspector of Factories for Scotland" was, prior
to that appointment,
> POLICE COMMISSIONER and MAGISTRATE of the BURGH OF BROUGHTY FERRY.
>
> Might someone have an idea where I might search to be able to put
dates to those appointments.
>
> Much obliged for any and all suggestions,
> Barbara Neish
> Bermuda
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Information Market Place - 1st September, Barony Hall, University of
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Open access between 3pm and 6.30pm



The Society of Archivists is proud to announce the Information
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hi group where is everybody gone to

Hello Ian,

We're all still here - just run out of things to say!

If you fancy looking at some photos, I downloaded a few weeks ago some
floodlit pictures taken during the city's octocentenary year, see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dundee-history

I've also added a new set of photos to www.dundeestmarys.co.uk

Best regards

Ken

  -----Original Message-----
From:  ian laing [mailto:ianlaing666@...]
Sent: 24 September 2004 22:22
To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dundee-history] last message in aughust  24th

hi group where is everybody gone to




Please remember to bookmark our Home Page. Those with Yahoo IDs will be able
to view our Archives of Messages,Files, and Bookmarks. Go to:

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Yahoo! Groups Links

OK, seeing as we are so quiet, lets see if I can stimulate some
debate...

I have a postcard dated around 1908 of St Mary's church (nowhere near
the scanner, or I'd post it) that shows a double-aisled structure.
However I am sure that when I visited in 2000 it was a single-aisled
building. Can anyone confirm this? And does anyone have any postacrds
of the exterior? I am particularly interested in the windows at the
back (ie not the road side) of the church. I have some pictures of
great-uncle Fred in his christening robe outside a chuch (I think I
have one somewhere, so if anyone wants I'll look it out and scan it),
but we don't know where! As his parents were married at St Mary's,
that seems a good bet but of course that seems to be the bit of the
church that's no longer there....

Next time I am at my parents I'll try to get some of those postcards
scanned, so I give a bit to the group rather than just asking
questions!

Adrian
(everybody happy now we have some web traffic? <g>)

If anyone is bored, you can join us over at the Angus website.  There is always
something going on over there including historical memories, genealogy help and
mysteries galore!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Anton
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:52 AM
To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dundee-history] last message in aughust 24th

Hello Ian,

We're all still here - just run out of things to say!

If you fancy looking at some photos, I downloaded a few weeks ago some
floodlit pictures taken during the city's octocentenary year, see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dundee-history

I've also added a new set of photos to www.dundeestmarys.co.uk

Best regards

Ken

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Hi Listers

My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.

I can remember my mother telling me how she and a friend were strafed
walking down a street in Arbroath (or possibly Arbirlot) and a
shopkeeper dragged them out of the way and gave them ice cream to
help them get over the shock, but otherwise her war memories seem to
have consisted almost entirely of dancing with Polish officers.

Anyway if anyone can help me with this query I'd be very grateful.

Cheers
Sue
Harrow, England

In a message dated 10/10/2004 21:17:08 GMT Standard Time, Xantheand@...
writes:

> My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
> children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.
>

I think some went as far as Monifieth !
Douglas Nicholson (dlnbn@...)


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> > My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
> > children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.

In 2003 Radio 4 did a series where various aged entertainers recalled
their careers - this was in the 6.30pm "funny" slot. One of them was
Bruce Forsyth. He recalled being evacuated - I forget where from - to
Edinburgh. His father had a job that gave him a petrol ration and
reason to go to Scotland so he went to visit his son. On seeing a
battleship moored in the Firth of Forth, he took Bruce home with him,
with a cry of "The damn war is closer here than it is at home!".

I suspect that if children were being evacuated to Edinburgh - port,
naval base, etc - then Dundee children probably GOT evacuees in their
houses rather than becoming evacuees.

Now the caveat - I was born in Essex in 1971, so have no first hand
knowledge!

Adrian

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Sue Anderson"
<Xantheand@a...> wrote:
> There were certainly evacuees sent to Dundee from London, as
one ,Morris, was boarded with my great-uncle and aunt. They kept in
touch and, when my aunt died in the '80s, Morris came up from London
to attend the funeral, when I met him for the first time.
As regards Dundee children being evacuated, there are several
pictures from DC Thomson's archives showing children lined up in
Kings Road, with suitcases and gas masks, ready to go.The Angus
countryside was certainly a popular destination.
> Hi Listers
>
> My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
> children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.
>
> I can remember my mother telling me how she and a friend were
strafed
> walking down a street in Arbroath (or possibly Arbirlot) and a
> shopkeeper dragged them out of the way and gave them ice cream to
> help them get over the shock, but otherwise her war memories seem
to
> have consisted almost entirely of dancing with Polish officers.
>
> Anyway if anyone can help me with this query I'd be very grateful.
>
> Cheers
> Sue
> Harrow, England

Sue

My father and his brother were sent to a farm near Blairgowrie.  So it seems
they were sending children towards both the West and North.

Jenny Spankie

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I can remember well the evacuation. The idea was to get as many civilians
out of the cities and towns and move them to safer areas.  I and my family
were sent to Kirriemuir which is about ten miles north of Dundee.
On arrival at the railway station at Kirrie we were met by members of the
ARP who march us up to the town hall where we each recieved a can of bully
beef, a can of Carnation milk, a one pound bag of sugar, a small bottle of
concentrated orange juice. After we were told the rules, we were then handed
over to our alloted families and transported to our new digs.
I along with my family was taken to one of the largest houses in the town
( I won't name the owner) It was a huge three story house with lots of
rooms, Only two of which were occupied. The owners in one and the maid in
the other. Our rooms were up in three small attics. Our beds were old army
cots (I think from ww1). The next day my mother was down at the town hall,
along with dozens of other mothers complaining about the treatment and
living quarters that we had been given. The next day we were moved to a
cottage further up the road. The owner , a retired school teacher lived
there with a maid called Famy. She was a jewel and looked after us like we
were her own.
I think we were there for about three months when the owner died. At this
point we were told that we were going to be moved again. This time to Glen
Prozen where we were the sole ocupants of a three bedroom farm cottage where
we sytayed for about six months.
We were then told that we could return to Dundee or stay for the duration of
the war.
My mother decided that we would move back to Dundee as my oldest sister and
brother had got jobs in Dundee.
Some of my friends who were evacuated with us stayed on to the end of the
war, but most families decided to come home.
It should be rembered that not all of the people who took in the evacuees
were doing it out of the goodnes of their hearts and not all of us lived
happy lives.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jenny Spankie" <J_Spankie@...>
To: <dundee-history@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: [dundee-history] Dundee and WW2


>
> Sue
>
> My father and his brother were sent to a farm near Blairgowrie.  So it
> seems
> they were sending children towards both the West and North.
>
> Jenny Spankie
>
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Sue Anderson"
<Xantheand@a...> wrote:
>
> Hi Listers
>
> My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
> children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.

My parents were both evacuated from Dundee.....Mum went to stay with
a family called Gerrard at Bentyhowe, Cookney, near Stonehaven, and
my Dad stayed at Laurencekirk.

Anne.

Hello,

My mother's parents rented a holiday cottage on a farm north of Kirriemuir, and
my mother and her mother lived there for a few years during the war.  My mother
had to cycle a few miles (in the dark in winter) to Dykehead to catch a bus to
school in Kirriemuir.  Her father continued to stay in Dundee where he worked,
and he was an ARP warden as well for the west end of Dundee.

My father was at school in Dundee when war broke out.  He remembers taking turns
on air-raid / fire-watch duty on the roof of the school as one of the senior
pupils.  On leaving school, he joined the RAF for the last two years of the war.

Best regards

Ken

============================================================
From: "Sue Anderson" <Xantheand@...>
Date: 2004/10/10 Sun PM 08:16:21 GMT
To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dundee-history] World War 2 in Dundee



Hi Listers

My son is doing World War II at school and wanted to know if the
children in Dundee were evacuated and if so,where.

I can remember my mother telling me how she and a friend were strafed
walking down a street in Arbroath (or possibly Arbirlot) and a
shopkeeper dragged them out of the way and gave them ice cream to
help them get over the shock, but otherwise her war memories seem to
have consisted almost entirely of dancing with Polish officers.

Anyway if anyone can help me with this query I'd be very grateful.

Cheers
Sue
Harrow, England

Hi

Many thanks for all your replies to my query - my son is so happy
that you wrote your stories for him.

Also I have an abject apology for the kind person who contacted me a
couple of days ago with a very comprehensive account, including where
the bombs fell,the reasons why Dundee got off fairly lightly, Italian
prisoners of war etc. I accidentally deleted the e-mail. If you read
this and you still have it could you please re-send it.It was so
interesting.

Thanks
Sue Anderson
Harrow, England

Hi All,
I'll be honest right off, my request is ultimately related to my
genealogical research. So I apologise in advance, but I think maybe
my area of interest has sufficient historical interest to warrant
posting my query to this site.
I am seeking information about the early provosts of Dundee,
particularly George Yeaman after whom the Yeaman Shore was named, But
also Patrick and David.
Living in Australia it's very difficult to access records or even
decent reference books about Dundee's history.
I have a copy of "Record of the Burgh of Dundee 1513-1770" which
gives a fascinating insight into the activities of the Provost and
Council.
Can anyone suggest reference sources that might shed further light on
the life and activities of these folk. Most I probably won't be able
to access here but I may be able to beg/cajole relatives in Dundee to
do the research if I can direct them to appropriate sources.
I'd appreciate any information about the those Yeaman's in particular
or the provosts role in general.
In relation to the earlier thread, During the war, my Mum was sent to
live with her her Aunt and Uncle at Ryehill for a year. She remembers
an idyllic semi-rural setting, with a lovely house, the weir, farm
animals and veggie garden. Ryehill had a small two-class country
school. She recalls that in the winter they lit the big pot belly
stove and had cocoa with bread and butter at recess. Quite a change
of pace for a city kid form Dundee.
Thanks
Janice N'

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "nightingalejanice"
<nightingalejanice@h...> wrote:
>
><SNIP>
> I am seeking information about the early provosts of Dundee,
> particularly George Yeaman after whom the Yeaman Shore was named, But
> also Patrick and David.
> Living in Australia it's very difficult to access records or even
> decent reference books about Dundee's history.
<SNIP>

Janice, i see that you do have a Yahoo ID, and you can therefore
browse through our archives of Messages, Files, and Links.  Maybe you
have done so already - sorry for the prompt - but do have a second
look. Lot's of good reference sites are Linked, particularly the Local
studies Section of the Central Library.

Have a look too at my book list about Dundee - ISBN refs are quoted
for the more recent books. http://jimjar.net/DUNDEE


Good luck

jimmie R

At 11:08 PM 23/10/2004, Janice wrote:


><SNIP>
>I am seeking information about the early provosts of Dundee,
>particularly George Yeaman after whom the Yeaman Shore was named, But
>also Patrick and David.
<SNIP>
Given a day or two, i am sure I can help you just a little from my copy of
" The Municipal History of Dundee" published in 1878 by Winter, Duncan & Co.

I see that James Yeaman was a Bailie in 1861, and was Provost in 1871.

"Glimpses of Old and New Dundee, published in 1925, does ahve a little
write up on Yeaman's Shore. It says  "This is the designation of a passage
from the Nethergait to the Harbour, going back to 1600. Itr seems likely
that the Yeamans of Dryburgh, near Lochee, had a residence hrere. George
Yeaman was Provost from 1706 till 1708. and again from 1710 till 1712, and
that at a time when the normal tenure of office was for only one year. The
Dundee Theatre existed in Yeaman's Shore until 1924.

More later as I dig around for you.

Jimmie R

Hi Janice

Thanks for the "War story"

SUe


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Janice N' recently wrote about City dignitaries, and the Yeaman family in
particular.

I gave her some information and promised to dig into my "Municipal history
of Dundee" published in 1878.

I have now been through this sizeable book, which has no Index, and have
found references to the Yeaman family, whilst performing duties as Bailies,
or Provosts, over many years. Some refer to the election of Common
Councillors in 1716, -James Yeaman, and to George Yeaman , Merchant,
serving on an enquiry into the misuse of Election Tickets in 1716.  pp. 97
& 99.

It is noted that George Yeaman of Gowrie had been the MP for Dundee, from
the end of the 17th century, into the early part of the 18th century, when
the Act of Union between Scotland and England was enacted.

One amusing incident in 1712 records GeorgeYeaman , whilst Provost,
dispensing justice to four vagabond women, who were removed from the
town!  p. 101

The earliest reference is to David Yeaman , in 1652, being made partially
responsible for the protection of the Overgate area, as General Monk was
about to attack and later desolate the town.  p.269

In 1872, the Town Council, led by Provosty James Yeaman donated a new bell
for the new "Peal of Bells" following a fire at the old City Churches in
1841. This new bell was th F sharp bell, which weighed in at 14
cwt.   pp.205/6.

There are a few other incidents recorded, some leading up to the
establishment of the family home at Murie in the Carse of Gowrie.

If Janice is interested, I could make extracts  of some of these incidents,
and send them to her in Australia, where I also live.

Jimmie Robertson

Robin Hallam wrote to the Group -

James Yeaman was still Provost of Dundee on 10 June 1872 when he
attended a function at Lambs Hotel and after giving an 800 word
speech, presented 15 awards to a number of Dundee ironworkers.

The function was a gathering of the Amalgamated Ironworkers of
Dundee to commemorate the peaceful settlement of a strike four or
five months previous that had the workers out for about a
fortnight.  The workers achieved a work week that was from 7:00AM -
5:00PM Monday to Friday and 7:00AM - 1:00PM on Saturday.  The
assembly was served tea followed by five speeches including that of
Provost Yeaman, then the presentations and followed by "several
songs by Miss Sturrock and a number of duets by Messrs. Johnston and
Ford".

I know about that evening at Lambs Hotel because my g-grandfather
Robert Ireland Robb was Secretary of the Amalgamated Ironworkers and
was presented that evening with a writing desk by Provost Yeaman
which I still have in my possession.  The inscription on a brass
plate inlaid in the desk includes the words "their appreciation of
his services during the struggle for the 51 hours".

Robin Hallam
Duncan British Columbia


PS I have an contemporary account of that evening from the Dundee
Advertiser that includes word for word all the speeches and the
details of the presentations.  I would send a copy to anyone
interested.

Send any requests to the Group.

Hi

Many of my father's family were involved in Dundee ironworking. I would be
very interesred in the account of the presentation

Cheers
Sue Anderson
Harrow, England


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Hello,

Jim's recent post mentioned the bells in St. Mary's Tower (The Old Steeple).

The tower and Steeple Church survived the 1841 fire, but the cross kirk (now
the Slessor Centre) and east kirk (St. Mary's) did not.

The bell tower has a peal of 8 bells, hung for full-circle ringing.  There
are also some old bells on display in the Antiquities Room in the tower, but
these are much older than the working set.

There are eight bells tuned to a complete octave, ranging from the treble
(highest note) weighing 287 kg (5cwt 2qtr 17lbs) to the tenor (lowest note)
at 995 kg (19cwt 2qtr 10lbs).

The Tenor bell was cast in 1819 by Thomas Mears at the Whitechapel Bell
Foundry in London, the other seven bells were cast in 1872 by the same
foundry, now called Mears & Stainbank.  This is the foundry which also
manufactured "Big Ben", in the Houses of Parliament clock-tower in London,
and the USA's Liberty Bell.

Jim wrote:
>> In 1872, the Town Council, led by Provost James Yeaman donated a new bell
for the new "Peal of Bells" following a fire at the old City Churches in
1841. This new bell was the F sharp bell, which weighed in at 14 cwt.
pp.205/6.

The bells are tuned to an octave in E, so I think this would be the 7th,
being F#.

The bells are rung every Sunday and also week-day practice nights: contact
information, for anyone who would like to try it:
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~saelwell/bell1.htm

Go on, it's great fun!

Best regards

Ken

Does anyone remember Park Place Primary School, and if you do, were
you a pupil there? I remember we used to call it the Demonstration
School. Was it because it was connected to the teachers training
college? I can't remember but someone out there must.

I started there at the young age of 4 years old in 1952, and can
still remember what the classes and corridors looked like. I'm not
so good at names though, and so I can't remember the names of the
teachers.

I have been away from Dundee for 12 years and would love to get in
touch with anyone who went there.

I'd love to have a go, Ken, but it's long old stretch of the rope
from Dundee to Oxford! However I did hear them when I was in Dundee
in 2000, and was most impressed by the sound. They did not seem to be
ringing full circle, but were chiming a hymn tune, using four bells
(I think - I am to tune and rhythm what Long John Silver was to
ballroom dancing!). Maddeningly, I can't remember the hymn either.

Hopefully one of these days my girlfriend and I will come up to
Dundee ancestor-chasing and drop by on practice night. Have you got a
real ale pub (the essential adjunct to ringing!) to go to afterwards?

Adrian


  --- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Anton" <ken.anton@t...>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Jim's recent post mentioned the bells in St. Mary's Tower (The Old
Steeple).
>
> The tower and Steeple Church survived the 1841 fire, but the cross
kirk (now
> the Slessor Centre) and east kirk (St. Mary's) did not.
>
> The bell tower has a peal of 8 bells, hung for full-circle
ringing.  There
> are also some old bells on display in the Antiquities Room in the
tower, but
> these are much older than the working set.
>
> There are eight bells tuned to a complete octave, ranging from the
treble
> (highest note) weighing 287 kg (5cwt 2qtr 17lbs) to the tenor
(lowest note)
> at 995 kg (19cwt 2qtr 10lbs).
>
> The Tenor bell was cast in 1819 by Thomas Mears at the Whitechapel
Bell
> Foundry in London, the other seven bells were cast in 1872 by the
same
> foundry, now called Mears & Stainbank.  This is the foundry which
also
> manufactured "Big Ben", in the Houses of Parliament clock-tower in
London,
> and the USA's Liberty Bell.
>
> Jim wrote:
> >> In 1872, the Town Council, led by Provost James Yeaman donated a
new bell
> for the new "Peal of Bells" following a fire at the old City
Churches in
> 1841. This new bell was the F sharp bell, which weighed in at 14
cwt.
> pp.205/6.
>
> The bells are tuned to an octave in E, so I think this would be the
7th,
> being F#.
>
> The bells are rung every Sunday and also week-day practice nights:
contact
> information, for anyone who would like to try it:
> http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~saelwell/bell1.htm
>
> Go on, it's great fun!
>
> Best regards
>
> Ken

Hi "linda_sayegh".  You said:

>Does anyone remember Park Place Primary School, and if you do, were
>you a pupil there?
>I started there at the young age of 4 years old in 1952

Sorry for the delay in replying.

I too was a pupil at "the Training College", which was also referred to
as "the Demonstration School". I think the name "Park Place Primary" was
adopted when the new school was built in the 60's.
The original building is still there and is now the IT centre for the
University.

According to my Mum, I started there when I was 4, which would have been
1956 but, to be honest, the memory is a wee bit hazy. I was there until
the end of the 1959/60 session.

If my arithmetic is correct, I must have been in P4 at Park Place in
59/60 but, for some reason, went into P3 at Macalpine when we moved to St
Mary's in May 1960 - according to my Macalpine Report Card, anyway.

The only teacher from the Demonstration School whom I remember was Mrs
McFeat, who was my last teacher there. Hud on! I think I had "Miss
Crighton" (sp?) before Mrs McFeat. For some reason I have a memory that
she suffered from sunstroke at some event down at Magdalane
Green/Riverside sometime in 57/58?

I remember my Mum and I meeting Mrs McFeat in Markies a couple of years
after we'd moved to St Mary's. I remember I was eating a banana at the
time. Funny how some memories stick, eh?

When I look back at my time there, the thing that strikes me is the total
cross section of pupils who were there; "posh" kids from the "big houses"
on the south side of Perth road out beyond Windsor Street mixed with
toerags from Hawkhill, Nethergate and Tay Street. I was a toerag from
Nethergate! I remember going to a birthday party in one of the big houses
out there and was severely impressed!

The other thing I remember from the Training College was collecting empty
food packaging, etc to add to the "shop" which was part of the class.

BTW: the big tree is still at the foot of Park Place...


Catchya anon,

Doon 8=)

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My people came from Hawkhill circa 1840! But for those of us
Americans challenged in the Language: Define "toerag", please.
Does it have to do with socks, or the lack thereof?

I know "posh" comes from the designation P.O.S.H. on your ticket
and where your cabin was on the ship.

Also...how do natives pronounce "TAY"? Is it said like "say" or
"tie"? I've heard both. Thank you, in advance.

>
> When I look back at my time there, the thing that strikes me is the total
> cross section of pupils who were there; "posh" kids from the "big houses"
> on the south side of Perth road out beyond Windsor Street mixed with
> toerags from Hawkhill, Nethergate and Tay Street. I was a toerag from
> Nethergate! I remember going to a birthday party in one of the big houses
> out there and was severely impressed!
>
> Doon 8=)

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"Toerag" is a corruption of "tuareg", a nomadic desert Arab of North
Africa.
Rhyme Tay with say, and you've got it right!
--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, Lair Behr <danifax@y...>
wrote:
> My people came from Hawkhill circa 1840! But for those of us
> Americans challenged in the Language: Define "toerag", please.
> Does it have to do with socks, or the lack thereof?
>
> I know "posh" comes from the designation P.O.S.H. on your ticket
> and where your cabin was on the ship.
>
> Also...how do natives pronounce "TAY"? Is it said like "say" or
> "tie"? I've heard both. Thank you, in advance.
>
> >
> > When I look back at my time there, the thing that strikes me is
the total
> > cross section of pupils who were there; "posh" kids from
the "big houses"
> > on the south side of Perth road out beyond Windsor Street mixed
with
> > toerags from Hawkhill, Nethergate and Tay Street. I was a toerag
from
> > Nethergate! I remember going to a birthday party in one of the
big houses
> > out there and was severely impressed!
> >
> > Doon 8=)
>
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