I am wanting to find out if an address of 40 Princess Street, in
1887, would have been a private residence.

I also want to know if 47 Gravesend in Arbroath, in 1871, would also
have been a private residence.

Would appreciate any assistance.  Many Thanks.  D.Livingstone

Dawn 40 Princess Street was a tenement building.
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Subject: [dundee-history] Princess Street, Dundee


> I am wanting to find out if an address of 40 Princess Street, in
> 1887, would have been a private residence.
>
> I also want to know if 47 Gravesend in Arbroath, in 1871, would also
> have been a private residence.
>
> Would appreciate any assistance.  Many Thanks.  D.Livingstone
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> Subject: [dundee-history] Princess Street, Dundee
> > I am wanting to find out if an address of 40 Princess Street, in
> > 1887, would have been a private residence.
> >
> > I also want to know if 47 Gravesend in Arbroath, in 1871, would also
> > have been a private residence.
> >
> > Would appreciate any assistance.  Many Thanks.  D.Livingstone

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Hello Everyone:

I know that Ships, that were no longer seaworthy, were taken to Inverkeithing
where they were broken up for scrap-metal, etc.  I have seen the names of such
ships of the 20th Century mentioned and so wonder if records exist of the names
of ships taken there in the 19th Century.

While I have much information of the "Birth" of many ships that were connected
with my family, their "Demise" is something I have often wondered about. Having
not found them listed as "wrecked", finding they were broken up for salvage
would be interesting - otherwise, I am left to wonder - did they go  down
without a trace ? - or  - did the Pirates get them ?    Is there anyone with
information on Iverkeithing - such as the years it operated?  Might old records
exist, somewhere?

Much obliged,
Barbara Neish
Bermuda
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Hi Barbara

What about those which were sold and re-named by their new owners, or
re-registered in another country?  That would account for the names being
untraceable.

The huge pile of rusted metal in the breaking yard at Inverkeithing is still
there, highly visible from the railway line!

Regards

Ken

  -----Original Message-----
From:  Barbara Neish [mailto:neishnook@...]
Sent: 13 April 2003 22:11
To: Dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dundee-history] Inverkeithing - Shipbreaking

Hello Everyone:

I know that Ships, that were no longer seaworthy, were taken to
Inverkeithing where they were broken up for scrap-metal, etc.  I have seen
the names of such ships of the 20th Century mentioned and so wonder if
records exist of the names of ships taken there in the 19th Century.

While I have much information of the "Birth" of many ships that were
connected with my family, their "Demise" is something I have often wondered
about. Having not found them listed as "wrecked", finding they were broken
up for salvage would be interesting - otherwise, I am left to wonder - did
they go  down without a trace ? - or  - did the Pirates get them ?    Is
there anyone with information on Iverkeithing - such as the years it
operated?  Might old records exist, somewhere?

Much obliged,
Barbara Neish
Bermuda
neishnook@...

Thanks Ken :

While I found several Voyages, through Lloyds, they just seemed to drift
into the mist -  re-naming is something I never thought about - you could
well be correct.

Thanks for putting that thought into my head,
Cheers
Barbara Neish
Bermuda

Hi,

Can any of you direct me to information on the County of Forfar or
the town of Tannadice?  I'm interested in any books or websites about
these subjects.

Thanks,

Ryan

Forfarshire was the Victorian era name for County Angus,
wasn't it? If you go to GenUKI on-line, they will give you
brief details taken from early gazetteers for many villages
and hamlets. Google or Dogpile or any such broad search
engine will probably serve your purpose as well.

FamilySearch.org will also list what materials the Family
History Library Catalog has to offer, by searching under
"location". Those materials can be used via a Family
History Center found at most larger LDS facilities.

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> Can any of you direct me to information on the County
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Hi everyone, I came across this list while looking for information on
the Dundee Law, and decided to join. I'm from Broughty Ferry.
Regards,
Steven

smacks of spam
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> the Dundee Law, and decided to join. I'm from Broughty Ferry.


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Well, that was a nice welcome.

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, Lair Behr <danifax@y...> wrote:
> smacks of spam
> --- steaphris <steaphris@y...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone, I came across this list while looking for
information on
> > the Dundee Law, and decided to join. I'm from Broughty Ferry.
>
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At 09:21 05/05/2003 +0000, steaphris wrote:
>Well, that was a nice welcome.

Hi there,  I cannot work out what Broughty has to do with Spam, an
overworked expression, if ever there was one! You will find that we are
actually a good warm heaerted crowd, always ready to help those in need of
guidance, and often times, with quite detailed questions, especialy re
locality issues.

Having a Yahoo ID as you do, steaphis, you can gain access to our home page
where there are a good number of  Files, and helpful links. you can also
access the Message Archives, in which over the years, the Law has featured
quite often.  Make the most of your association with this Group, and enjoy it.

Jim Robertson, Eumundi, Qld., Oz,
http://jimjar.net/Angus

All that came up on my screen with your message was an
advert for digital spy cams...nothing else, and no mention
of Broughty. Hence, the reference to "spam". Only the last
line of this message, gives a clue to the link as "Angus
Surnames". Is Yahoo dropping parts of your messages?

--- Jim Robertson <jimjar@...> wrote:
> At 09:21 05/05/2003 +0000, steaphris wrote:
> >Well, that was a nice welcome.
>
> Hi there,  I cannot work out what Broughty has to do with Spam, an
> overworked expression, if ever there was one! .......

  > Jim Robertson, Eumundi, Qld., Oz,
> http://jimjar.net/Angus

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Hi Lair Behr <danifax@...>

Does your email program read "plain text"?
Remember, the list does not allow the passage of HTML and attachments.
Yahoo itself adds adverts to posts - perhaps that's what you read?

Here's what Steven sent:

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    Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:23:14 -0000
    From: "steaphris" <steaphris@...>
Subject: New Member

Hi everyone, I came across this list while looking for information on
the Dundee Law, and decided to join. I'm from Broughty Ferry.
Regards,
Steven
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Lair Behr, (I should remember the person lurking behind the sig, but
I'm afraid I've forgotten who you are!)

Are you reading off the group site rather than getting email? If so
Yahoo every now and then puts up a pop-up when you click on a message
and somewhere on the screen is a little note saying "Yahoo is an
advertisement funded service. Please click below to go to message" -
or words to that effect.

It's very very annoying...

Hope that explains the problem to everyone's satisfaction. Steven,
hope you find out lots from the learned crowd that inhabit Dundee
History. There's a particularly silly picture of the Law on Doon the
Toon's website... And my Granny was born in Queen Street - I doubt
you'd know her as she left in 1916...

Adrian

Steven may already know of the book Ängus and the Mearns" by Richard
Oram - ISBN1 874744 47 5 , published in 1996.

There are some interesting facts and speculations on the early
history of our Dundee Law on pp55 & 56. Worth a look Steven, if you
don't know this book.

Jim Robertson  Eumundi, Qld., Oz.
http://jimjar.net/Angus & http://jimjar.net/DUNDEE

From the regular eMail, your message was something to the
effect "I just found this site and think it would benefit
all" or something like that...then the advert for spy cams.

> Are you reading off the group site rather than getting email?

> Adrian

OK, in future...no comments about spam, I'll just delete

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It may well be Yahoo trash...all I got was
>
> Hi everyone, I came across this list while looking for
information on the Dundee Law

I got the impression the spy cam was what he "found". I
have seen similar techniques used to circumvent rules
before, and read it as a similar spam trick.

Like I said, no more comments, I'll just trash the stuff
and assume that if it is a problem, you will handle it.

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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "jimrob_009" <jimjar@o...>
wrote:
> Steven may already know of the book Ängus and the Mearns" by
Richard
> Oram - ISBN1 874744 47 5 , published in 1996.
>
> There are some interesting facts and speculations on the early
> history of our Dundee Law on pp55 & 56. Worth a look Steven, if you
> don't know this book.


That's cool, I'll take a look at it. I know the name "Dundee" comes
from "Dùn Dèagh" in Gaelic, meaning "Fort of Fire", so I was
wondering if that was a reference to the LAw which was once an
extinct volcano. I also heard that perhaps there was a Pictish fort
on the Law, from "Dùn" which means fort. Does anyone have any more
titbits about the Law? Thanks everyone.

I was born in Dundee about two hundred yards from the bottom of the law which
was my playground while growing up. The story was often told that there was an
Iron fort on the top of the Law. I do not know if there was any truth to the
story. however it wold have been the perfect place to have one.


Dave



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A common saying by what we considered elderly people  when I was a child (many
years ago) was, " I AM COOPERED " Meaning I am tired. Does any one know where
this saying came from?
Dave Perks

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No, but I have that used over here in Newfoundland as well



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A common saying by what we considered elderly people  when I was a child
(many years ago) was, " I AM COOPERED " Meaning I am tired. Does any one
know where this saying came from?
Dave Perks

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Hi,

Yes, the Law has the vague remains of an iron-age fort.

I always thought that Dundee took its name from the Latin "Donum Dei" (gift
of God), as the church of St Mary was founded by David, Earl of Huntingdon
after he was delivered safe on the shores of the Tay after praying for
relief from a storm in the North Sea.  (see
www.dundeestmarys.co.uk/history.html for more information).

Best regards

Ken

  -----Original Message-----
From:  dave perks [mailto:banjo046@...]
Sent: 07 May 2003 13:52
To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dundee-history] Re: The Dundee Law - Some Historical stuff !

I was born in Dundee about two hundred yards from the bottom of the law
which was my playground while growing up. The story was often told that
there was an Iron fort on the top of the Law. I do not know if there was any
truth to the story. however it wold have been the perfect place to have one.


Dave

Wasn't it Bronze Age?

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>
> I always thought that Dundee took its name from the Latin "Donum
Dei" (gift
> of God), as the church of St Mary was founded by David, Earl of
Huntingdon
> after he was delivered safe on the shores of the Tay after praying
for
> relief from a storm in the North Sea.


Hi Ken, no that's not the case. If you look at a Scottish placename
book you'll find that it comes from the Gaelic "Dùn Dèagh" -sometimes
spelt "Dè". "Dèagh" itself is a modern spelling of "Daig" which was
an old Gaelic personal name, meaning "fire". The "Dùn" part comes
from Gaelic too, it means "fort", in particular a fort on a hill.
It's thought that "Dùn" found it's way into Gaelic from an older
Pictish word.

Incidentally, the Gaelic for God "Dia" is very close to the Latin
there. The Gaelic word for God "Dia" probably comes from that, but
that's just me surmising.

Also, I should add that if St Mary's church was established in the
12th century, but  Dundee was already well established. Most
placenames predate the 12th century anyway.

Regards,
Steven



-- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Anton" <ken.anton@t...>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, the Law has the vague remains of an iron-age fort.
>
> I always thought that Dundee took its name from the Latin "Donum
Dei" (gift
> of God), as the church of St Mary was founded by David, Earl of
Huntingdon
> after he was delivered safe on the shores of the Tay after praying
for
> relief from a storm in the North Sea.  (see
> www.dundeestmarys.co.uk/history.html for more information).
>
> Best regards
>
> Ken
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  dave perks [mailto:banjo046@y...]
> Sent: 07 May 2003 13:52
> To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [dundee-history] Re: The Dundee Law - Some
Historical stuff !
>
> I was born in Dundee about two hundred yards from the bottom of the
law
> which was my playground while growing up. The story was often told
that
> there was an Iron fort on the top of the Law. I do not know if
there was any
> truth to the story. however it wold have been the perfect place to
have one.
>
>
> Dave

Hello,

late comer to the list but just thought I'd add that I live round the
corner from Albany Terrace, and yes 29 is still there!

Kevin


--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, Tweedbank@a... wrote:
> HI,
>      I subscribed to this list hoping to get both historical and
genealogical
> information.  I am also a subscriber to the Angus list but since
both of my
> parents were from Dundee I thought joining the Dundee list might
narrow things
> down a little.  I grew up  hearing about the jute mills and ships
to India,
> the Hilltown, Albany Terrrace (Is 29 Albany Terrace still there?).
>
>      Just let me know if I am not supposed to ask anything about
genealogy.
>
>               Eva Anne in Scottsdale, Arizona
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Moves me to ponder whether Forthill, up the scarp from Broughty
Ferry, draws its name from some academic's musings on the early name
for Dundee.  Hmmm.

David

(Born 1950 in the Ferry)

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "steaphris" <steaphris@y...>
wrote:
>
> >
> > I always thought that Dundee took its name from the Latin "Donum
> Dei" (gift
> > of God), as the church of St Mary was founded by David, Earl of
> Huntingdon
> > after he was delivered safe on the shores of the Tay after
praying
> for
> > relief from a storm in the North Sea.
>
>
> Hi Ken, no that's not the case. If you look at a Scottish placename
> book you'll find that it comes from the Gaelic "Dùn Dèagh" -
sometimes
> spelt "Dè". "Dèagh" itself is a modern spelling of "Daig" which was
> an old Gaelic personal name, meaning "fire". The "Dùn" part comes
> from Gaelic too, it means "fort", in particular a fort on a hill.
> It's thought that "Dùn" found it's way into Gaelic from an older
> Pictish word.
>
> Incidentally, the Gaelic for God "Dia" is very close to the Latin
> there. The Gaelic word for God "Dia" probably comes from that, but
> that's just me surmising.

Hi everyone,

This isn't a historical question but here goes!!

Does anyone know who the author of the book "Witches Blood" is and is
it still in print?

The story is set in Dundee in the 18th - 19th century and is about
the rise of a family.

Any help appreciated

Mark