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#1635 From: "nightingalejanice" <nightingalejanice@...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 1:06 pm
Subject: Broughty Ferry 		nightingalej...
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Hi All,
Can anyone help me with this one, I'm trying to decipher an almost
illegible document. Ulo/a*****lory/lary Buildings, 98 King Street,
Broughty Ferry.  (document circa 1919)
Thanks in advance
Janice Nightingale
in 'good grief send some rain' OZ

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#1636 From: Jim Robertson <jimjar@...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:20 pm
Subject: BBC News E-mail: Digital Domesday book unlocked 		jimrob_009
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Jim Robertson saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it.

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A fascinating aspect of recreating so called secure digital archives.
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*Digital Domesday book unlocked*
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/technology/2534391.stm>

A rich digital archive of British life in the 1980s has been brought
back to life by researchers from the UK and the US.



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#1637 From: "Andrew Nicoll" <nicollandrew@...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: BBC News E-mail: Digital Domesday book unlocked 		nicollandrew
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I remember this from when I was in primary school! I would have been
about 8 or 9 and it was a great occasion when the computer with the
huge discs. I remember we could get everything - picutres of our
local leisure centre, of the raspberry fields round about Forfar - it
was a dandy thing!

Andrew

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#1638 From: "gidds190400 <gidds99@...>" <gidds99@...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:20 pm
Subject: Westgrove Avenue / Binns Alley 		gidds190400
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Can anyone shed anylight on the structure located on Westgrove
Avenue, Dundee.  I remember playing there as a young boy in the
1980's.  It seemed to be what looked like a fairly old large house
and was/is derelect with only parts of the walls remaining. I
remember that it was located to the north of No. 8 or 10 I think (on
the left hand side) if you were travelling north (up) from the Perth
Rd end.  There was a small road/driveway leading to at least one (or
possibly more) small house/cottage.

At the time I tried to find information regarding the history of this
building and located an old map in the central library but was unable
to shed any light on it.

I do remember that the map showed that Westgrove Ave was previously
called Binns Alley (or something similar).

If anyone has any information relating to this building I would like
to hear from them.

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#1639 From: "charleshoullier <charleshoullier@...>" <charleshoullier@...>
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:53 pm
Subject: Training ship Mars 		charleshoullier
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Hi!

Does anyone out there know if there were any souvenirs made form the
timbers of the Training Ship Mars after it was broken up?

Thanks in advance.

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#1640 From: "rosscameron42 <rosscameron42@...>" <rosscameron42@...>
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:11 pm
Subject: "County of the City of Dundee" 		rosscameron42
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I recall that prior to Regionalisation in 1975, the cities of Dundee,
Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh were referred to for some
administrative purposes as "Counties of Cities". For some obscure
reason, this subject was a regular item in the "Local Government"
section of police written examinations!! Can anyone tell me when this
term was introduced, and under what legislation?  Also, was this one
single act or were the various cities dealt with individually at
different times?  Any info will be appreciated.

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#1641 From: Doon The Toon <doonthetoon@...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: "Counties of Cities" 		skenkerdoon
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Hi Ross.  You said:

>"Counties of Cities"

From memory, I think this title was bestowed on Dundee in 1894. (I think
I read it somewhere.)

Someone may come up with the definitive answer before I have had time to
check.

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#1642 From: "carlite77 <carlite77@...>" <carlite77@...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:20 pm
Subject: looking for book mars training ship 		carlite77
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Hello
         I have  looked all  over for copy of the mars training
ship  by linda mcgill  I  had  2  great uncles on the mars
1885- 1900   would  love to find out more.
Can anyone  advise if a copy  is available  anywhere  will pay
any cost  involved.

                 many thanks

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#1643 From: LINDSEY ANDERSON <oo7linds@...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: looking for book mars training ship 		oo7linds
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if u find a book on the mars please forwared where i
too can get one
thanks
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> mars training
> ship  by linda mcgill  I  had  2  great uncles on
> the mars
> 1885- 1900   would  love to find out more.
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>  will pay
> any cost  involved.
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#1644 From: "jimrob_009 <jimjar@...>" <jimjar@...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:00 pm
Subject: The Mars Training Ship 		jimrob_009
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Two of our members have recently asked about this ship, and the book
by Linda McGill. Until quite recently this was stocked by the Tay
Valley FHS in their Research Centre in Princes St Dundee. They may
still ber able to lay their hands on a copy.

Bot our enquirers are lucky - they each have Yahoo IDs and can search
our archives as i have just done.  We had a spate of messages about
the Mars between #42 on 3 Jan 1999 and 171 on 6 Aug 1999. just
feed "mars" into the message search box.

Amongst the messages was a beaut web page - still working at
http://www.sol.co.uk/s/scott.wilson/mars.htm   Scott Wilson was a
member of our Group for quite a time.

It is Christmas morning down here in Aussie - Can i wish you all a
great happy Christmas Day - and later on - A marvellous Hogmany.

Jimmie R

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#1645 From: "gidds190400 <gidds99@...>" <gidds99@...>
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:52 pm
Subject: Underground Waterway 		gidds190400
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Can anyone provide any information about an underground waterway or
canal in Dundee which may have been used to supply a jute mill?

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#1646 From: "Grant E. L. Buttars <G.Buttars@...>" <G.Buttars@...>
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:03 am
Subject: Re: Underground Waterway 		grant_buttars
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Water was a frequent power source for textile production prior to the
introduction of steam.  There were many burns running through Dundee
which were eventually put into culverts under roadways etc.  Which
particular part of the city are you looking at?

Regards,

Grant Buttars

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#1647 From: "Andrew Nicoll <nicollandrew@...>" <nicollandrew@...>
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:34 am
Subject: Re: "County of the City of Dundee" 		nicollandrew
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Hello Ross

This one intrigued me for a few different reasons ...

> I recall that prior to Regionalisation in 1975, the cities of
Dundee,
> Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh were referred to for some
> administrative purposes as "Counties of Cities". For some obscure

Yep, Dundee was given COunty of City status in about 1894ish - can't
remember exactly. Before this it was simply a Royal Burgh in the
County of Forfar and they seemed to need further powers of their own
to do various things (not sure which things ...). Dundee also, I
believe, wanted their own Lord Lieutenant which they couldn't have
when Forfarshire was the county.

These would have been set up at different times for the different
cities - BUT, Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh were always the county
towns anyway - Dundee had to wait until the 1890s for an act of
parliament to create it as a County of City since Forfar was the
County town. Dundee lagged behind in this respect.

> reason, this subject was a regular item in the "Local Government"
> section of police written examinations!! Can anyone tell me when
this

I'm intrigued by this bit! Try as I might I wondered why they would
be a part of the Local Government questions section - is it because
they had their own byelaws etc and you had to be aware of the various
different setups in each area?

Andrew

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#1648 From: "jimrob_009 <jimjar@...>" <jimjar@...>
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: The Mars Training Ship 		jimrob_009
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "jimrob_009 <jimjar@o...>"
<jimjar@o...> wrote:
> Two of our members have recently asked about this ship, and the
book
> by Linda McGill.

Can I just add that the Tay Valley Family Historian published a
review of this book in issue No 46, of January 1997, p8, by Margaret
Johnston, one of the members. This was mentioned in our message #160,
which is in our Archives.

Jim Robertson

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#1649 From: "rosscameron42 <rosscameron42@...>" <rosscameron42@...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: "County of the City of Dundee" 		rosscameron42
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Nicoll
<nicollandrew@y...>" <nicollandrew@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ross
>
> This one intrigued me for a few different reasons ...
>
> > I recall that prior to Regionalisation in 1975, the cities of
> Dundee,
> > Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh were referred to for some
> > administrative purposes as "Counties of Cities". For some obscure
>
> Yep, Dundee was given COunty of City status in about 1894ish -
can't
> remember exactly. Before this it was simply a Royal Burgh in the
> County of Forfar and they seemed to need further powers of their
own
> to do various things (not sure which things ...). Dundee also, I
> believe, wanted their own Lord Lieutenant which they couldn't have
> when Forfarshire was the county.
>
> These would have been set up at different times for the different
> cities - BUT, Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh were always the
county
> towns anyway - Dundee had to wait until the 1890s for an act of
> parliament to create it as a County of City since Forfar was the
> County town. Dundee lagged behind in this respect.
>
> > reason, this subject was a regular item in the "Local Government"
> > section of police written examinations!! Can anyone tell me when
> this
>
> I'm intrigued by this bit! Try as I might I wondered why they would
> be a part of the Local Government questions section - is it because
> they had their own byelaws etc and you had to be aware of the
various
> different setups in each area?
>
> Andrew



Thanks for the info, Andrew.  You may be right.  City of Dundee
Police used something like "consolidated powers" to deal with
numerous minor crimes and offences, e.g. known thieves loitering,
various nuisances, etc.   The Burghs in Angus had something similar,
the Burgh Police (Scotland) Act, 1892, but this was of no effect in
the landward areas,  so there were differences in the law within the
same police force areas.  I spoke today to a former colleague, and he
reminded me that the local exams in Angus always contained, inter
alia, the three questions -

1. Name the four Counties of Cities in Scotland.
2. Describe the colours and sequence of traffic light signals.
3. Draw a plan showing the dimensions of a pit which is dug to
cremate the carcase of an animal which has died of anthrax.

It is my colleague's belief that the current training inspector used
this method to ensure that no exam candidate need be concerned that
he/she would not be able to get some marks!!!

Sadly, the gentleman concerned is no longer with us, so I cannot
confirm this.

Regards,

Ross

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#1650 From: "gidds190400 <gidds99@...>" <gidds99@...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:23 pm
Subject: Re: Underground Waterway 		gidds190400
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I was speaking with someone who mentioned an underground canal or
tunnel which supplied the Baxters Mill.

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#1651 From: "yeah <evilla2@...>" <evilla2@...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 10:32 pm
Subject: looking for pics 		classicrocke...
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if possible would someone here be able to post pics of these area's?
fleming gardens south, robertson road and the wellgate.. I was born
in Dundee but emigrated to Canada as a child,  always heard my mum
talking about the area's where my grandparents lived..
than you in advance..
note.. when i get a chance and have my scanner setup again I will
scan photo's from  books i have called "old dundee tramcars and old
dundee buildings"

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#1652 From: Virginia Taylor <snider_clyde_researcher@...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:07 am
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#1653 From: "Grant E. L. Buttars <G.Buttars@...>" <G.Buttars@...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 8:12 am
Subject: Re: Underground Waterway 		grant_buttars
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "gidds190400 <gidds99@h...>"
<gidds99@h...> wrote:
> I was speaking with someone who mentioned an underground canal or
> tunnel which supplied the Baxters Mill.

This was the Dens burn, which flowed from beyond the Law, past what
became Victoria Street and was harnessed by Baxters to power Dens
Works.  It soon failed to provide enough power as production expanded
(not helped by its tendency to dry up in summer), by which time steam
power was the order of the day.

Like many others, the burn was culverted.  I believe the arches of
Victoria Bridge (the western end of Victoria Street) can still be
seen from inside the former works grounds (now a housing development).

Regards,

Grant Buttars

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#1654 From: "Ivo" <cvj@...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 6:52 am
Subject: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		cvj@...
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Hi group,
Is the Veeder Root factory at Gourdie still in operation.
Catherine


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#1655 From: Lair Behr <danifax@...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		danifax
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Veeder is also a Dutch surname...what does/did the factory produce?

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#1656 From: "dave perks" <banjo046@...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		banjo046@...
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Batteries
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> Veeder is also a Dutch surname...what does/did the factory produce?
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#1657 From: "Ivo" <cvj@...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:01 am
Subject: Veeder Root 		cvj@...
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Hi group,
Veeder Root.
I worked there from 1977-79, the factory was on the Kingsway at the end of the
Charleston housing scheme, next to the NCR.
They made among other things, a one day and a seven day Tachograph, counters for
cars etc, and they had a factory in Beechwood that made bigger counters, for
pertrol pumps etc.
In the seventies it employed a couple of hundred women, so it was no smalll
factory.
Catherine, MS Scott



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#1658 From: "Grant E. L. Buttars <G.Buttars@...>" <G.Buttars@...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:02 am
Subject: Re: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		grant_buttars
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "dave perks" <banjo046@s...>
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> Batteries

No, that was Vidor.  Veeder Root was an engineering company, indeed
it still is, only not in Dundee (see www.veeder.com).  The company
locally became TVI Europe Ltd after a management buyout (see
www.tvieurope.co.uk).  They have since merged with another company.

Grant Buttars

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#1659 From: Lair Behr <danifax@...>
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		danifax
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#1660 From: "lucy_coventry <lucy_coventry@...>" <lucy_coventry@...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: The Mars Training Ship 		lucy_coventry
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Can I also say that Douglas Library had two copies of a book about
the Mars ship yesterday.
Lucy

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "jimrob_009 <jimjar@o...>"
<jimjar@o...> wrote:
> --- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "jimrob_009 <jimjar@o...>"
> <jimjar@o...> wrote:
> > Two of our members have recently asked about this ship, and the
> book
> > by Linda McGill.
>
> Can I just add that the Tay Valley Family Historian published a
> review of this book in issue No 46, of January 1997, p8, by
Margaret
> Johnston, one of the members. This was mentioned in our message
#160,
> which is in our Archives.
>
> Jim Robertson

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#1661 From: "R.A.Milne <allymilne2@...>" <allymilne2@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:35 pm
Subject: Old Dundee 		allymilne2
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Does anyone know where "Mackintoshes Land" was? One of my forebears
lived there when he got married in 1868. It may have been in westend
area as the wedding took place in Hawkhill House.

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#1662 From: "Bill" <photobill@...>
Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:43 am
Subject: Re: Re: Veeder Root at Gourdie 		photobill@...
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Can you give me any information on St. Mary's Chapel in Lochee,Scotland?
Does it still exist?
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#1663 From: "Bill" <photobill@...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:24 am
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We are unable to sign on to this. Can you advise?

thanks
Bill
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> Can you give me any information on St. Mary's Chapel in Lochee,Scotland?
> Does it still exist?
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#1664 From: "Grant E. L. Buttars <G.Buttars@...>" <G.Buttars@...>
Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:49 pm
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--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <photobill@p...> wrote:
> We are unable to sign on to this. Can you advise?

Bill,

You seem to replying to your own message.  What are you trying to
sign on to?

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