Hi Jamie, Did you work at John Leng's? Joyce

Does anyone know the history/background to Maloney's Park which was
sited in the Tipperary area of Lochee?
Thanks
Brian Malone

We are always asking each other about the historical origins of various
street , and Gate names, which crop up all over Dundee.

The Dundee Civic Trust have recently gathered together a very useful and
interesting List showing the origins of many of the city's main streets,
and some of it's innumerable Gates!

I have added a new Bookmark to cover this particular List of street Names.
Our members might like just to have a browse through the Trust's main Home
Page, - which is at
http://freespace.virgin.net/dundee.civictrust/index.htm
The Street page is towards the end, along with a note about Carbet Castle
in Broughty Ferry. (See "Interest")

Well worth a visit.

Jimmie

Having Dundonian parents, I have learnt they have a rather unique
language. A cause of some consternatation at times, for an Aussie
kid. I thought other readers might enjoy this light-hearted look at
Dundonianisms.
I'd hate to breach copyright, but unfortunately I can't cite the
compiler, the list came from a 1990 calender.
Janice Nightingale

	 THE OFFICIAL DUNDEE DICTIONARY 1990.


AWA  Not here, as in "Ehm awa" [I have departed].

BACKERTIES Opposite of forward and sometimes linked to TUMMEL
CAT MA.

BAMPOT Derogatory term, often used as a closing argument as in "Awa
ye bampot".

BANJOE To assult, often with an implement such as a fryingpan.

BARKIN DOAGIE [see SQUEEB] A multiple explosion firework mostly used
in CLOSIES.

BARKIT Unclean, requiring washing, common to all small boys
especially knees, hands, clothing.

BELL STREET Dundee equivalent of Scotland Yard. Run by "Boabies".

BOLIE  Space, as in space under the stairs/sink.

BREENJE To initiate or commence an assult.

BRIDIE  Pastry encased meat and gristle foodstuffs, two
varieties, PLEN[plain] and INGIN[onion]
		 Asin "Gies a plen bridie an an ingin ane ana".

BUNKER Built-in storage device for heating fuel, also doubles as
eating surface for small children
		 Or ultimate hide and seek refuge.

BUSTER Delicacy indiginous to the area, mushy peas and, chips. Best
consumed with a nice
		 Chardonnay.

CATTIE'N BATTIE Childrens game using pointed wooden missile and
stick. Demonstration sport in
		   1988 Olympics.

CHAIRIE Original diving board at Dundee Baths.

CHIPPER The Macdonalds of Dundee, specially in fish and chips, black,
white and red puddings .
		 And for the gourmet mock chop suppers.

  CHUCKIES Small stones fixed to the exterior of buildings.

CLOSIE  Common entry to multiple dwelling units, similar to
low rise apartments. Usually not
		 Well lit or secure.

COUP  Recreational area, mainly used for sporting events
such as fitba [soccer]. Surface is
		 Similar to astroturf and is called "Danders".

CRIBBIE Where the road and pavement meet.

CUNDIE Street drain, served as "bankie" for dropped coins.

DANDER To stroll aimlessly
		 To become agitated, as in "Mah daners up."
		 Small cylinder-like material most often found in
small boys' knees,hands.

DOAD  An amount, exact measurement unknown but larger than
a "drappie".

DRAPPIE Small amount, usually referring to fluids, more than
a ''tickie" but less than a "doad.

DUB  Rain puddle, fobidden fruit for small boys exept when
wearing wellies. Never to be
		 Confused with a knighthood.

EH'M CHAPS    [CHAPPIES] Time out. Call for a hiatus or temporary
cessation.

ERSE  Posterior, from the German ersats, meaning sit on
your bottom.Used as a prefix in
		 Ersewhile, meaning erse first.


FACE LIKE A WELL SKELPED ERSE _No translation needed.

FIFIE  Means of transportation across the river Tay  used by
Dundonians and uneducated
		 "peuchies" from Fife.

GEEZIN Dundee version of Halloween but with more emphasis on
financial considerations.
		 Precursor to November 5th[ Geh fox day]

GETTING THE Corporal punishment meted out by ex-Nazis posing as
teachers. Given for such
BELT.  Transgressions as forgetting your homework and
chewing gum in class.
		 Banned by the Geneva Convention in 1978.

GETTING YER Unscheduled career change, often accompanied by
constructive criticism.
JOTTERS

GLAKIT Close kin to "bampot" and first cousin of "eejit" Person thus
discribed is not
		 Usually a member of Mensa.

GREENIE/BACKIES Patches of green, common to residents of closies-
multi-use facility, e.g.
		 Drying clothes, playing fitba, settling domestic
arguments and initial courtship
		 [when dark] Also used for Bonfire night.

KELBIE  Entrpreneur whose conglomerate include such diverse
industries as metals and
		 Clothing. Often began his transactions with a musical
flourish.

LANGIRS Opposite of "shoarts" [see breeks] Long pants often worn for
the first time to
		 School.

LEN  Borrow for a short time [see shottie]

MALLIED/HALF MALLIED Sound thrashing [banjo, tankin]

MELLIE-ON Game in which group of children jumped on top of each
other, usually with the
		 Weakest/least liked on the bottom.

MINGIN Bad odour, putrid smell or extreme stste of intoxication.
Common Dundee condition.

MOWSER Hirsute appendage, usually worn on top lip, generally
confined to males and lady
		 Teachers.

THE MORN Dundee for tomorrow.

REELIFOH Game played in greenie using washing poles. Probably
satanic ritual with phallic
		 Overtones.

ROVIES Handwoven foot covers, much favoured by mill workers, made of
fine jute.

NIPPER  Semi-smoked portion of cigarette retainedfor
occasions when finances are depleted.
		 Favoured for their high concentration of tar/nicotine.

OARIE  Lacking the social skills.

OOT THE SHOO'IN /see Mingin, Hammered, Stottin

OXTER  Naughty part of the body, usually left unwashed
Monday to Friday. Also referred to as
		 Armpit.

PARAZONE Noxious all-purpose cleaning fluid similar to P.C.B's.

PANLOAFIE An oarie person from Broughty Ferry.

PARKIE Senior Citizen, often ex-military[S.S.] charged with
responsibility of keeping civic areas
		 [parks] free of "Tykes and Wee Buggers"and similar
pestilence.

PEUCHY Country person, often observed to lack the social skills of
your typical Dundee
		 Sophisticate, See Migin and Keech for fuller
description.

PILE  [Verb]. To exert force on a playground object [such
as a swing] to enable movement.
		 Best pilers are easily identified by their scars
obtained when said swings are rotated
		 More than 180 degrees thus dropping the piler to
earth.

PINNER Small rectangle of steel used in play, by boys. Object to get
closest to "Cleish" line.

PLETTY Elevated walkway running the length of multi-level buildings
offering panoramic view
		 Of Greenie/Backies/residents living rooms.

PLOOK  Pus-filled swelling  of skin, usually on end of nose
prior to first real date. Used also as in
	 Plookie Pus.

PLUNKIN A method of obtaining income, mostly employed by small
children. Requires one piece of string, a piece of chewing gum,good
eyesight, no sense of smell, endless patience and dexterity and a
CUNDIE. The object, to retrieve any
coins dropped by drunks or affluent people from West Ferry.

S'AFFY CAHLD Cry uttered  upon entry into chilled water.  See SWEEMIN.

SAIR HAN' Large sandwich often ot two ends or "Heelies" of
bread  spread with butter/sugar/
		 Condensed milk or for the health concious - home made
jam.

SANNIES The Nike of Dundee, One style fits all types of feet.

SASS  [Sarsparilla] Medicinal cure for Saturday nights over
indulgence,
		 Various flavours with childre being forbidden access
to black sass until the
		 Age of puberty. The Perrier of the working class.

SCUNNERS        A feeling of nausea [as in "it fair scunners me"]

SEEDLEES Mountain range surrounding Dundee, similar to the
Rockies!

SEEVENWEEKIES Extended period of R & R for inmates of Skails.
Highlight was often a day trip to
		      The Ferry, Monifeith or even Wormit.

SHIVERY BITE Nutrients ingested upon emerging from Sweemin.

SHOVIE OWIR Close relation to Shivery bite when talking of food,
Also refers to women of loose
		 Morals, none of whom have ever resided in Dundee.

SHULLIN Silver coin used for a variety of transactions.

SINGLE  Smallest unit of cigarette available for purchase,
i.e. one of.[see skint].

SKAIL 	 Place of learning
		 Soup[as in "whuts for denner Ma?" S'kail]

SKINT  State of insolvency, semi permenent, enjoyed by
majority of residents Monday to
		 Thursday.

SNOTTERS As common to a Dundee child as freckles are to a
N.American kid.[almost as cute] Most
		 Often removed by tongue or sleeve.

SPAMMIES Jumping from\to dikes and air raid shelters as a form
of amusement. Encouraged by
		 Dentists, Plastic Sugeons and makers of Bandaids.

STOOR  Accumulation of dust particles usually found under
the bed or in the loabbie.

STOVIES Scottish ambrosia. Subtle mix of prime meats, select
vegetables and Kerrs Pinks.

SUB  Small underwater craft.
		 An advance on ones wages or a loan.

SUGARELLY Petroleum  byproduct used in other parts of the world
to pave roads.
		 Eaten in Dundee.

SWEEMIN Building with bathing pools for public use. Incidentally,
water from the North Sea
		 Fitered and cooled prior to use.

SWICK  To cheat by means of subterfuge.

TANKIN Fight, usually one sided. See Mallied, Banjoed.

TAP O'THE HULL Area to stop and gather breath at, prior to entering
one of the many public houses.

TICKIE  Smallest quantity, usually accompanied by a
plaintive"Aaaaw jist a wee tickie".

TOLLIE/TOALY [KEECH] What small children did in their breeks and what
you usually stepped
			 In while on your way to the dancing for the
first time.

TULLYGERRAFF Encouragement to purchase the evening newspaper, usually
uttered by a strangely
		   Garbed person, located on a street corner.

WEE HEIDIEIS        A game played by small boys to practice FITBA
skills
Involves
AGAINST THE WA the head to repeatedly bounce a ball off a wall.
Closely associated with
KEEPIE UPIES  where the ball is kept up in the air by any part of
the body apart from lower arms or
		 hands.Involves great skill and practice.

Looking at the O.S. maps there seem to have been, at
least, two Church Streets in Dundee in 1901.
One went from Main Street to St Salvador Street the
other one, which I care about, went between Princes
Street and Crescent Street. I think it must be very
close to the current office of the TVFHS.
Of course the tenements are very very long gone but I
am curious if there is still a Church Street there.
The 1881 census showed 14 families living at # 1
Church Street. Does anyone have any idea when it was
demolished or if any photographs exist?
Thanks
Bill

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The Church Street off Princes Street is still there but is now called
Ferguson Street.  There is one surviving tenement block between
Crescent Lane and Crescent Street on the north side.  I rmember the
ones which adjoined Princes Street being there until about the late
1970s, when large scale redeveolpment of the area took place.

There are some photos of the area in the Brotchie & Herd series of
booklets (don't know which one) and I would imagine some are included
in Photopolis.  See:
http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/centlib/photopolis/index.html

Grant

Hello:

I found the information on the origin of city streets very
interesting.

I was wondering if Park Avenue was still a street in Dundee?  That's
where my father ( Alfred Wilson) was born in 1901 at 1 Park Avenue.
What kind of housing was there at that time?

Thanks
Barbara Nichols

My brother had a top floor flat at 1 Park Avenue. He sold it last year.
I don't know if it is the same Park Ave. but it runs from Albert Street to
Baxter Park Terrace and is crossed by Morgan Street. They are 3 storie high
tenements with a single close serving 8 houses. My brothers was 2 bedroom and
an uncle of mine who lived at No 9 also was 2 bedroom. I seem to remember
some of the ground ones were one bedroom.
1 Park Avenue is on the south side of the street on the corner of Albert
Street. On the Ground Floor is a chemist that has been there for many years.
   I used to be a paper boy in the mid 1970s delivering on Park Avenue, Morgan
Street, Morgan Place and Baxter Park Terrace.
I do remember that there was communal toilets between the 1st and 2nd floors
and between the 2nd and 3rd floors although I think most of the flats in the
1970s had there own toilets. The closie toilet was always handy in an
emergency.
I wonder if they still have the large poles in the back yard with the washing
lines from the back windows going to it?
                                Ken

  I found the information on the origin of city streets very interesting.

  I was wondering if Park Avenue was still a street in Dundee?  That's
  where my father ( Alfred Wilson) was born in 1901 at 1 Park Avenue.
  What kind of housing was there at that time?

  Thanks
  Barbara Nichols >>

--- In dundee-history@y..., Kenkeithys@a... wrote:
> My brother had a top floor flat at 1 Park Avenue. He sold it last
year.

If it's top left, I know who bought it, or at least who had it 9
months ago!! It's a small world.

Grant Buttars

Yes it was.

<< If it's top left, I know who bought it, or at least who had it 9
  months ago!! It's a small world.

  Grant Buttars >>

Hi Listers...I need help, suggestions or whatever...perhaps there's some-
one out there who has already solved the problem...but if not, any/all
ideas greatly appreciated...
      Sometime between Feb., 1863 and May, 1865 my GGP Alex and Mary Ann
Gamble, almost newborn daughter Elizabeth and M.A.'s
parents William and Eliza (Elizabeth?) Irwin Neill left Dundee for
North America.  The second date above is confirmed by birth of next
child, Alexander C. Gamble in Albany, N.Y.  in May, 1865.
        In looking through possible ships' lists, I don't find any reference to
ships leaving from Scotland!  Is it possible that they would have been
listed as leaving from Great Britain?  Could they have been considered
"British" for purposes of immigrtion to U.S.  According to  fairly well
established findings, all were born in Ireland (Armagh &/or Cavan).
Alex and his parents are well documented as having left Co. Cavan in
1841 for Dundee.  The Neills were, as far as I've been able to discover,
from Armagh.
        Were there actually ships leaving Dundee for N.A.?  If so, does
SKS possibly have the names of the ships....I also haven't seen any ship
listings from "England" or "Great Britian"....or am I just looking in the
wrong place?
        The  NARA microfilms for the above dates total 22!!  If anyone out
there is able to help me it certainly would be appreciated.  The other
question I have is "If, in fact, they were all born in Ireland, but emmi-
grated to Scotland (for whatever reason) would they have, at least for
travel purposes been listed as  Scotish nationals?
        An interesting aside is that on Mary Ann and Alex's death certifi-
cates (Kittson Co., Minnesota, USA) both are listed as having been born in
Scotand!  Don't know who furnished the information but most
likely it would have been one or more of the surviving children......
        This has turned out to be much longer than anticiapted, but I would
truly appreciate any help!!       Sincerely,            Barbara
Barbara Gamble Kennedy
Meille3@...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At 09:35 PM 14/08/2001 -0400, Barbara wrote:
>Hi Listers...I need help, suggestions or whatever...perhaps there's some-
>one out there who has already solved the problem...but if not, any/all
>ideas greatly appreciated...
>    Barbara, be a pal, and tell us where you Have looked first of all.
> There are stacks of places which  list ship sailings, yes even from
> Glasgow, Leith, and dear old Dundee. For starters, take a look at our
> bookmarks - "World Wide Resources" - Immigrant Ship Transcribers, and
> Cyndis list. They will give you some initial food for thought!!


Jimmie

At 09:35 PM 14/08/2001 -0400, Barbara wrote:
>Hi Listers...I need help, suggestions or whatever...perhaps there's some-
>one out there who has already solved the problem...

Sorry Barbara, and everyone else. The Bookmarks I mentioned are in the Tay
Valley Bridges home page, not the Dundee-History Page.  Oops !

Jimmie

This is avery interesting conversation. I have been in this house myself many
times. My trade is a Slater and as such I had on many occasions had to repair
leaks in the roof of that particular house.  Most of us in the trade also swept
chimneys on our own time to make cigarete money. I used to sweep the chimney in
this house for an old lady who lived there. I cant remember her name now but I
do remember each time I was in the house she would pour me a glass of home made
wine. Each time it would be a different kind. As you said Grant, it is a small
world.

Thanks Ken for the information.

Regards, Barbara Nichols

I have seen your email and would have thought that Glasgow would have been a
more likely place to sail from for north America.

David Anderson

We now have around 200 members, with a steady flow of new members, coupled
with a few withdrawals.

   I am anxious to see our new members settle in, and to become familiar
with the facilities we have available to us in our Home Page. These extend
far beyond the provision of an effective Group mailing system.
Our Home Page holds an Archive of all our past messages, and a carefully
selected range of Bookmarks, of assistance to struggling researchers, as we
all are. These are Grouped in a number of major  Folders. We also have a
File collection, which includes many photographs of old Dundee., and some
new ones!

All these facilities are made available to our members , although I do
believe that some of our older members have problems, and we must clear
these up!! New members are warned of the need to secure Yahoo! IDs in my
initial welcoming message. Grant Buttars has very helpfully put together a
special page showing how to acquire this ID, and then to Log-in to our
Page.  He made this up to help members of the Tay Valley Family History
Bridges Group .Our new members, and some older members should re-visit-
http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/tvbridges/   His page is quite graphic
intensive - take time, and print it out,
and save it carefully.  It is important not only to secure your Yahoo ID,
but also to Log-in to our page carefully.

   I am surprised to see that only around 100 of our 200 members have
secured Yahoo IDs, which means that half our Group do not enjoy the full
benefits of Group membership - they cannot use the many facilities in our
Home page. They cannot refresh their memories on old messages, nor visit
our many very interesting and informative Links.
Many of the questions raised in our messages could have been answered from
our Archives!

Please would those who do have Yahoo IDs and who can access our home page
make any suggestions for improvements or additions which would make our
Archives more helpful.

Jimmie Robertson


Jimmie

Dear Barbara,

There is a mailing list called The Ships List which covers just the
sort of thing you are after. Unfortunately I no longer have it's
address (it wasn't what I was looking for). However I found it whilst
doing a Google search (www.google.com, if you haven't encountered it
previously) for Loch Line. You may have to read through a few pages
of hits first as I was looking for ships, but it might be just what
you are looking for.

Good luck!

Adrian

--- In dundee-history@y..., Meille3@a... wrote:
> Hi Listers...I need help, suggestions or whatever...perhaps there's
some-
> one out there who has already solved the problem...but if not,
any/all
> ideas greatly appreciated...
>      Sometime between Feb., 1863 and May, 1865 my GGP Alex and Mary
Ann
> Gamble, almost newborn daughter Elizabeth and M.A.'s
> parents William and Eliza (Elizabeth?) Irwin Neill left Dundee for
> North America.  The second date above is confirmed by birth of next
> child, Alexander C. Gamble in Albany, N.Y.  in May, 1865.
>        In looking through possible ships' lists, I don't find any
reference to
> ships leaving from Scotland!  Is it possible that they would have
been
> listed as leaving from Great Britain?  Could they have been
considered
> "British" for purposes of immigrtion to U.S.  According to  fairly
well
> established findings, all were born in Ireland (Armagh &/or Cavan).
> Alex and his parents are well documented as having left Co. Cavan in
> 1841 for Dundee.  The Neills were, as far as I've been able to
discover,
> from Armagh.
>        Were there actually ships leaving Dundee for N.A.?  If so,
does
> SKS possibly have the names of the ships....I also haven't seen any
ship
> listings from "England" or "Great Britian"....or am I just looking
in the
> wrong place?
>        The  NARA microfilms for the above dates total 22!!  If
anyone out
> there is able to help me it certainly would be appreciated.  The
other
> question I have is "If, in fact, they were all born in Ireland, but
emmi-
> grated to Scotland (for whatever reason) would they have, at least
for
> travel purposes been listed as  Scotish nationals?
>        An interesting aside is that on Mary Ann and Alex's death
certifi-
> cates (Kittson Co., Minnesota, USA) both are listed as having been
born in
> Scotand!  Don't know who furnished the information but most
> likely it would have been one or more of the surviving
children......
>        This has turned out to be much longer than anticiapted, but
I would
> truly appreciate any help!!       Sincerely,            Barbara
> Barbara Gamble Kennedy
> Meille3@a...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I am enquiring for my dad: He attended the primary school in early
40's, which he claims was named St Ninians (The Hutty) in Pitkerro
Road, Dundee. He says it burned down around 1950. I was wondering if
any photos exist of the pupils or of the building which was wooden.
Does anyone remember this school?

Hi Jaq. You said:-

>I am enquiring for my dad: He attended the primary school in early
>40's, which he claims was named St Ninians (The Hutty) in Pitkerro
>Road, Dundee. He says it burned down around 1950. I was wondering if
>any photos exist of the pupils or of the building which was wooden.
>Does anyone remember this school?

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Came across this site courtesy of a posting from 3J's

www.d-t-imagebank.co.uk/

This may be of interest although photographs are fairly recent.

Sam

Hi all,

I live in an old house in Arbroath and would like to find out as much
as I can about its history and that of its immediate surroundings.
I'd like to know how I go about seeing (and understanding!) all the
title deeds, which I guess is the first step, and then what resources
I should use to go beyond that.

I have no experience of this sort of research, so any help will be
much appreciated.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda

Just curious!  What street in Arbroath?
Grandfather's birthplace.

Kind regards

Viv Martin


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 1:39 AM
> To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [dundee-history] need help researching history of my house
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I live in an old house in Arbroath and would like to find out as much
> as I can about its history and that of its immediate surroundings.
> I'd like to know how I go about seeing (and understanding!) all the
> title deeds, which I guess is the first step, and then what resources
> I should use to go beyond that.
>
> I have no experience of this sort of research, so any help will be
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Don't forget to update your Bookmarks cum Favourites.
>
> our old ones won't work ! Re-set to
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dundee-history
>
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>

Hi Viv,

Rosemount Rd (corner with Nolt Loan Rd) - the building now
houses numbers 2, 4, 6 and 8 Rosemount Rd.

Regards,

Linda

The extract below from "Industry in Montrose" refers to the flax
mills of Aberdein and Gordon in Montrose,  can anyone help me in
seeking out further information about the activities of this company
and also that of Alexander Gordon who was a flax spinner in Arbroath
in the second half of the nineteenth century.  Evidence of trading
links with Gothenberg would be of particular interest.

Dave Gordon
Bristol, England



"A firm renowned for its foreign and continental trade was known as
Aberdein and Gordon's of Union Street Mills, and latterly known as
Foote's Mill, but now closed. The family of Aberdein settled in
Montrose towards the end of the 18th century when, in December 1786,
William Aberdein purchased his freedom and was admitted a burgess at
a cost of 120 merks: his having been designated as "Esquire" is
suggestive that he possessed some land estate at this date. In
September 1787 he joined the Council, and passing through the various
sittings, he was elected Second Bailie in 1798. In 1797 his two sons
John and Francis Aberdein were made burgesses and on that date their
father is described as "merchant".  Records suggest that he was at
this time in business in the flax trade. At the same entry there is
noted the admission of Andrew Lyall, son of Bailie James Lyall,
merchant, a firm under the title of Messrs. Aberdein and Lyall being
in business about this period. The firm of Aberdein and Gordon, Union
Street, however, was later in starting, although this was most likely
the beginning of the firm under the title of Messrs. Lyall, Aberdein
and Co..  They applied to the Government in February 1791 for a
quicker despatch of the "Great South Mail" from London. This arrived
in Edinburgh before six in the morning, the west country or Glasgow
Mail arriving there about an hour later, but the letters brought by
these mails were not delivered to Montrose until half past eight in
the evening. This memorandum was made by over twenty firms and
addressed to the Post Master for Scotland.


It is interesting also to note that this family included a
centenarian, as on 15th September 1820 died Thomas Aberdein aged
105, "who enjoyed an uninterrupted series of good health until a few
days before his death".  Another centenarian, although not the same
name, is recorded when on the 14th February 1771, Jean Stevenson
passed away in Montrose, in her 107th year, and "her neighbours say
that she had not washed her face for thirty or forty years before her
death".  Another two centenarians in Montrose, but not recorded by
Royalty, were Anne Middleton, who died 4th December 1775. She was the
spouse of William Napier, Pier Wynd, and being born in 1673, had
lasted for 102 years. It is said that she was the first person who
brought to Montrose the news of Prince Charlie at Culloden.  Another
old lady, although a native of Fordoun, was Mrs. Alex Mime who came
to Montrose in 1829 and died there aged 103.


Union Street Mills also had a family connection with Brechin and
Fettercairn, having been known as Foote's Mill through one of the
partners Mr. Archibald, a son of Rev. Robert Foote, minister of
Fettercairn and the other son, Rev Alex Foote, minister of the
Secession Church, Brechin. Another partner was William Gordon, Master
of the Hospital in 1827 and Town Treasurer in 1833-35. He passed away
on 23rd April 1838 and lived in that house on the south-east corner
of John Street."

Hello:
My grandfather had a business in Dundee about 1900.  He and his partner went
bankrupt and lost everything.  I remember stories my grandmother told about
how the creditors came and took everything but the clothes off their backs
and her gold wedding ring.  They didn't take the ring because they couldn't
get it off her finger!

Are these bankruptcy records available today?  Where?  I'm not sure what kind
of a business it was. All I know is that they lived at 1 Park Avenue.

  I'm waiting for the 1901 census to come out to see what information that
will tell me.
When will that be available?

Thanks
Barbara Nichols

For the locals (or anyone visiting):

Great Scots Poll at the McManus

SCRAN, the Scottish Cultural Resources Access Network, and ICL are holding a
public poll to find the 100 Greatest Scots of the 20th century. The poll
will
result in a commemorative on-line frieze of 100 figures. Institutions up and
down the country, including the McManus Galleries in Dundee, are hosting the
poll.

Voting at the McManus is running from Monday 3rd September to Sunday 14th
September.

Now here's your chance to make sure some Great Dundonians don't get
overlooked
in the poll. Mary Slessor, Liz McColgan, Lorraine Kelly, Mary Brooksbank,
James
McIntosh Patrick, Edwin Scrymgeour and Eddie Mair, are only a few of the
possible names. You can vote for anyone who has lived or worked in Scotland
during any part of the 20th century - so come and vote now. Your city needs
you

Although this group is not genealogy related, I feel I have to answer
this query because of a childs death certificate I have.  The first
names differ but I thought the surnames and profession of the father
may interest you.

The certificate is for the death of Joseph Donaghy age 2 who died on
20th February, 1915 from broncho pheumonia.  The childs parents were
Henry Donaghy, iron foundry labourer and Barbra Dolan.  Their address
was 57 Norfolk St., Glasgow.

I sent for the certificate because I am researching my own family,
unfortunately these people are not related to me (at least not that I
know of).

If the child is related to you you are quite welcome to the
certificate.
Bernie

We have recently been provided with a new facility on our Home Page - and
we now have the ability to create Photo Albums, and to post photos to them
, rather than using the File area, as we have done previously.

I have created two Photo Albums, to get us started - "Dundee Scenic Views",
and "Dundee Buildings and street scenes". I have posted a panoramic view of
the town which I built up from three separate images, taken without the
benefit of a tripod, on my farewell visit to Dundee in 1985. The Thumbnail
is quite small, but the full size image will I hope look well in your
monitors. The bridges come out quite well. Can you count the number of
church spires scattered around the town?

I now propose to gently move the best of our "File" photos over to this new
Photo Album area - if I am able to do this! I may have to cry for help if
this proves to be difficult! In the meantime, as we get organised, feel
free to post any new photos to these initial two Albums which I have set up.

We just have to tread carefully, and create a particular role for our new
Albums, because we are already so well served with photographic images of
the Town, through one or two of our "Bookmarks". I should highlight especially
"Doon the Toon" created and maintained by one of our members, with great
success. There are all manner of photos within this Web Page -
http://www.appleonline.net/doonthetoon  A real treasure trove, as many will
know. The Central Library also have their "photopolis" collection on their
Site. The weekly Scottish Culture also ran an item a couple of weeks ago on
the town "City of
Discovery"     http://scottishculture.about.com/library/blvisitdiscovery.htm

With all these great resources available to us, we don't need to be in a
hurry to fill up our new Photo Albums. Rather we need to create a separate
role for our collection, to help cover our "History" thread where
needed.  Any ideas and suggestions would be very welcome. We do have a very
international membership to satisfy!

Jimmie