Ken, I thought that Craigie Terrace ran along Broughty Ferry Road between Murray Streeet and Dalgleish Road.  That makes it opposite the strip of grounds of the old Carolina House Orphanage building at number 133 Broughty Ferry Road.   There is a wonderfully detailed 1872 1:500 scale map available as map segment LIV.6.14 of the Town Plan of Dundee (east part) on the website http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/dundee_2_east.html 

Looking at this map, it seems that the first two buildings to the east of Dalgleish Road [towards Greendykes] might also be a part of the Terrace.  As I have to go past that area tomorrow, I shall have a look. 

Peter

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Anton" <ken.anton@...> wrote:  ...
> It concerns the row of houses on Broughty Ferry Road, between Dalgleish Road and Greendykes Road.  In 1906, this was known as Craigie Terrace.  I'm trying to work out which one of four houses was number 13 Craigie Terrace.  The same house now has an address on Broughty Ferry Road, and would be one of the four houses numbered 232 to 238 Broughty Ferry Road.  The next house on the west side is number 230, now Aberlaw Guest House, and formerly Rubislaw Nursery School

Ken, I thought that Craigie Terrace ran along Broughty Ferry Road between Murray Streeet and Dalgleish Road.  That makes it opposite the strip of grounds of the old Carolina House Orphanage building at number 133 Broughty Ferry Road.   There is a wonderfully detailed 1872 1:500 scale map available as map segment LIV.6.14 of the Town Plan of Dundee (east part) on the website http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/dundee_2_east.html 

Looking at this map, it seems that the first two buildings to the east of Dalgleish Road [towards Greendykes] might also be a part of the Terrace.  As I have to go past that area tomorrow, I shall have a look. 

Peter

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Anton" <ken.anton@...> wrote:  ...
> It concerns the row of houses on Broughty Ferry Road, between Dalgleish Road and Greendykes Road.  In 1906, this was known as Craigie Terrace.  I'm trying to work out which one of four houses was number 13 Craigie Terrace.  The same house now has an address on Broughty Ferry Road, and would be one of the four houses numbered 232 to 238 Broughty Ferry Road.  The next house on the west side is number 230, now Aberlaw Guest House, and formerly Rubislaw Nursery School

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Dear all,


I am interested in tracing further back - does anyone know about period 1890 -
1893 when Alexander Mathewson was Lord Provost?  What was life like then and
what did the Lord Provost do?

thanks,

Justin (great, great grandson of Alexander Mathewson)

Dear all,


I am interested in learning more about Arthur Paton Mathewson (my great
grandfather).  I understand he was involved in the jute industy and also lived
in Veronholme for a while.  I would really like to learn more about him:  his
work, life etc... so if anyone could help that would be great.


Justin

I should add that it's an hour programme, so a socking great file to download
(650mb)- feed the hamster and get a good book while you wait!

Adrian

I must confess - the haunted fishtank is rarely on in our house, and I'm still
dealing with a wee celt who keeps waking up with palpitations thinking she
dreamt the Scotland-Australia rugby result. My mum spotted it, and rang us with
about a minute to go.

The link to it is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n5pvr/Brian_Coxs_Jute_Journey/

(you may have to cut and paste it in two parts) It was broadcast on the 22nd at
6pm on BBC2.

Adrian

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Raphael" <edmundraphael@...>
wrote:
>
> It's a good thing that we have Adrian Gray to inform members of a properly
interesting event.
> Good spotting, Adrian and I will surely try to retrieve it, if you'd be kind
enough to mention the date.
>
> Many thanks for your effort on behalf of all members, like me, who were
unaware of this broadcast.
>
> Edmund Raphael
>

Yes and although they didn't credit us Brian Cox read from a scan I had made of
the "Colloquial Hindustani" book we have here. Most of the best surviving
records relating to Dundee's involvement in West Bengal are here in the
University Archives. As for the Sandeman link - I am currently working on the
Sandemanian church records and I hadn't realised until recently that the Glasite
Sandemans and the textile owners in Perthshire (Stanley Mills) were related.

Michael

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>>> <adrian.gray@...> 22/11/2009 19:36 >>>
For those with access to BBC iPlayer (ie those in the UK, as far as I know...
sorry!), the above program ran from 6 to 7pm on BBC2. It should be downloadable,
but the BBC servers are currently busy.

Brian Cox's parents worked in a jute works - the Eagle Works, I think - in
Dundee, and he visits Calcutta to see where jute is produced today. It's more
about India than Dundee, but nonetheless there's lots of Dundonians involved,
and it's fascinating to see where the jute industry went.

Apart from being an insight into the life enjoyed (or not) by Scots in Calcutta,
it also shows what a "modern" jute works is like - in this case the Howrah Works
using machinery made and sent out from Dundee in the 1890s. And that's the works
my gt gt gt uncle Robert Sandeman was a clerk at...

Hopefully that's of interest to someone.

Adrian



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For those with access to BBC iPlayer (ie those in the UK, as far as I know...
sorry!), the above program ran from 6 to 7pm on BBC2. It should be downloadable,
but the BBC servers are currently busy.

Brian Cox's parents worked in a jute works - the Eagle Works, I think - in
Dundee, and he visits Calcutta to see where jute is produced today. It's more
about India than Dundee, but nonetheless there's lots of Dundonians involved,
and it's fascinating to see where the jute industry went.

Apart from being an insight into the life enjoyed (or not) by Scots in Calcutta,
it also shows what a "modern" jute works is like - in this case the Howrah Works
using machinery made and sent out from Dundee in the 1890s. And that's the works
my gt gt gt uncle Robert Sandeman was a clerk at...

Hopefully that's of interest to someone.

Adrian

RCAHMS and the National Archives of Scotland have recently launched this
upgraded site at a conference in Inverness. It is a very comprehensive revies of
data about the organisation of localgovernment structures over the ages -
covering Counties, Parishes, Burghs, (Royal, Regality & Barony)Towns and
districts. Angus & Dundee are well covered.

Jimmie

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Hello Harmony,

Since we were last in contact I've been loaned a set of photo albums that once
belonged to Amy Webber, nee Grimond, including a number of pictures of Carbet
Castle and Kinnettles. Would you be interested in copies?

Adrian

----- Original Message -----

From: tis_peter

To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:10 PM

Subject: [dundee-history] Re: Nick-name

I know it is not just Dundee, but would it be appropriate to add the historical Dictionary of the Scots Language at http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ into the list of Group Links? 
Peter

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair Macdonald" <alistair.macdonald@...> wrote:>  > Peter, > Thanks very much for the source and definitions of Trochie. I could not have expected anything more comprehensive than the DSL which I have now bookmarked.          
>   Alistair>   If you go to
>   http://www.dsl.ac.uk/  >
>   and change the first drop-down to 'full entry', then this historical Dictionary of the Scots Language will exhibit a few trochie entries.  ...  ...  ...

I know it is not just Dundee, but would it be appropriate to add the historical Dictionary of the Scots Language at http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ into the list of Group Links? 
Peter

--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair Macdonald" <alistair.macdonald@...> wrote:>  > Peter, > Thanks very much for the source and definitions of Trochie. I could not have expected anything more comprehensive than the DSL which I have now bookmarked.          
>   Alistair>   If you go to
>   http://www.dsl.ac.uk/  >
>   and change the first drop-down to 'full entry', then this historical Dictionary of the Scots Language will exhibit a few trochie entries.  ...  ...  ...

----- Original Message -----

From: tis_peter

To: dundee-history@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:51 PM

Subject: [dundee-history] Re: Nick-name

 

Alistair
If you go to
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ 

and change the first drop-down to 'full entry', then this historical Dictionary of the Scots Language will exhibit a few trochie entries.  They are not in main entries, just used to give examples of side-meanings. 

One use is as a jocular form of troke.  To troke is to barter or bargain.  'To swap a trochie'  meant to exchange a kiss. 

Another meaning is as an adaptation of troch, which means a trough.  As the variants trochie, trochy or trochin, the word refers to a narrow passage between houses, a close or vennel.   It may also refer to a water filled trough such as might be used for giving gutted herring a quick rinse.  

I don't know whether any of this lot is of any use.  My wicked mind leads me to wonder whether your grandfather got dunked in a horse-trough [or worse] as a rite of passage at the end of his apprenticeship?    Did such initiations happen much in Dundee?                                                    Peter
--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "alistair9623" <alistair.macdonald@...> wrote:>
> My grandfather, Alexander James Macdonald (1844-1921)owned a couple of haberdasherey businesses in Dundee. Commercial Street and the Seagate.
> Apparently his nick-name was Trochie Macdonald. I undersand that the name Trochie means a small item, but I cannot find it in any Scots dictionary. Can anyone confirm or otherwise?
> Alistair>

Alistair
If you go to
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ 

and change the first drop-down to 'full entry', then this historical Dictionary of the Scots Language will exhibit a few trochie entries.  They are not in main entries, just used to give examples of side-meanings. 

One use is as a jocular form of troke.  To troke is to barter or bargain.  'To swap a trochie'  meant to exchange a kiss. 

Another meaning is as an adaptation of troch, which means a trough.  As the variants trochie, trochy or trochin, the word refers to a narrow passage between houses, a close or vennel.   It may also refer to a water filled trough such as might be used for giving gutted herring a quick rinse.  

I don't know whether any of this lot is of any use.  My wicked mind leads me to wonder whether your grandfather got dunked in a horse-trough [or worse] as a rite of passage at the end of his apprenticeship?    Did such initiations happen much in Dundee?                                                    Peter
--- In dundee-history@yahoogroups.com, "alistair9623" <alistair.macdonald@...> wrote:>
> My grandfather, Alexander James Macdonald (1844-1921)owned a couple of haberdasherey businesses in Dundee. Commercial Street and the Seagate.
> Apparently his nick-name was Trochie Macdonald. I undersand that the name Trochie means a small item, but I cannot find it in any Scots dictionary. Can anyone confirm or otherwise?
> Alistair>

My grandfather, Alexander James Macdonald (1844-1921)owned a couple of
haberdasherey businesses in Dundee. Commercial Street and the Seagate.
Apparently his nick-name was Trochie Macdonald. I undersand that the name
Trochie means a small item, but I cannot find it in any Scots dictionary. Can
anyone confirm or otherwise?
Alistair

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I am convinced that the information given in Photopolis for the picture
reference WC 0531 entitled Perth Road is incorrect.

"In 1895, the residents of the terrace included Mrs J. McCheyne (widow of the
Rev. J. M. McCheyne, a [prominent Dundonian preacher) "

The reasons for my conclusion is that I think the author of the above is
thinking of the Rev. Robert Murray McCheyne a very well known "Dundee Preacher"
who died on February 25th. 1843. He was 29 years old and not married at the time
of his death although reportedly had been engaged on two occasions. Neither his
father nor two brothers had the letters J.M in their name and lived in
Edinburgh. Robert was born in Edinburgh also and therefore should not be
referred to as a "Dundonian Preacher".

The limited amount of research that I can do from Canada cannot find any
reference to a Rev.J.M.McCheyne in Dundee or anywhere else for that matter.

Four or five years ago I pointed all this out to the Dundee Public Library and
had an email back saying they would correct it however that is not the case
obviously.

I don't know if I am being too picky, but I just think if captions are to be
added to photographs, they might as well be factual. I look forward to hearing
what others think about this and am prepared to accept that I am mistaken in my
conclusions if that turns out to be the case.

Regards
Clay

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Ooops... Found another one! This is Brighton House - I don't know where it is,
but the style of architecture says Scotland rather than Sussex!

Any offers as to where?

Adrian