Even though I haven't even been lurking very effectively in this discussion for a while now the grammar question has provoked me to leap back in. I've always...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Nov 1, 2001 11:11 am
Hi Olwyn I think you correctly place this 'artificiality' in its historical context; it is a persistent influence and one whose negative effects need to be...
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Nov 1, 2001 12:38 pm
Dear Olwyn & Luke, The training is only as good as the trainer. Dr Evil....
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Olwyn Alexander
o.alexander@...
Nov 1, 2001 1:04 pm
Luke, You've put your finger on the precise feeling I had when I'd finished my CTEFLA (as it was in 1992). I taught for a summer in a private language school...
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Dennis
dnewson2001
Nov 1, 2001 1:17 pm
Adrian writes: ²There is a sort of received wisdom that TEFL is 'about' games". I hope it is received wisdom, too, that EFL (notice -T) is about learning....
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Nov 1, 2001 2:34 pm
Dear Dennis, No, I didn't write that! And, I don't agree. What I said was: The training is only as good as the training. Adrian...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Nov 1, 2001 3:52 pm
thoughts re Olwyn and Luke's postings: I recently cottoned on to why some teachers prefer to have new groups each year, rather than continue for two or more...
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Simon Gill
pangill2001
Nov 1, 2001 3:53 pm
Much as I love reading the postings on the group, I do find it frustrating when they include (often quite lengthy) previous postings, sometimes more than one,...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
fogarty@...
Nov 1, 2001 7:29 pm
Would anyone care to enlighten me as to the meaning of variegated? Are we using it to mean varied? Or perhaps piebald??? Pardon my ignorance. I only teach the...
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Richard Samson
rmisw
Nov 1, 2001 7:56 pm
Hello all. There are many ill-defined concepts that get bandied about, on this list too. "Games" isn't a well-defined concept, for instance. It's very...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
fogarty@...
Nov 1, 2001 8:49 pm
Richard's post raises some interesting points and I'd like to add my tuppence worth in reply. Firstly, I think that the dogme approach has its metaphors and...
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adrian.tennant
adriantennant
Nov 1, 2001 10:29 pm
Dear Richard, Two quick points:- 1) It's interesting you talking about the use of terms/jargon etc. I recently gave a conference paper entitled 'Debunking...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Nov 1, 2001 11:06 pm
picking up on/catching the essence of a number of points made recently, grammar is sometimes a bit like mobile phones - a wonderful, important thing which is...
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sthornbury@...
scott_thornbury
Nov 1, 2001 11:06 pm
I'd like to endorse Richard's plea for coherence, while at the same time agreeing with Diarmuid - that we need to avoid turning dogme into dogma. One...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Nov 1, 2001 11:07 pm
Re Richard and Diarmuid's postings about the dogme group, all their points are valid and thought provoking. I see the group, so far anyway, as a means of...
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kellogg
lifang67
Nov 2, 2001 5:02 am
Dear Doktor: If I understand Olwyn's point and Luke's analogy, it's that most teachers are better than most training. Tomorrow I am going to present one of my...
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Dennis
dnewson2001
Nov 2, 2001 6:52 am
Thanks to Sue for her account of dealing with grammar in a couple of her recent lessons. (One of the things I value about this list is the accounts it...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
fogarty@...
Nov 2, 2001 7:54 am
... I would also love to know how many of the 67 signed-up members actually read this correspondence, tell their friends about it, cut and paste it into their...
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Dennis
dnewson2001
Nov 2, 2001 7:54 am
Wow! A horde of cats amongst the pigeons from "Kellogg". K's message is a reminder to me that authentic learners in authentic places are capable of learning...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Nov 2, 2001 9:39 am
Something I'd love to see would be a list of the names of the people on the list. Since we are sharing so much from our teaching experience in different...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Nov 2, 2001 3:50 pm
Sorry, Dennis, I didn't make myself very clear; the 15 minutes you refer to was not only 'talking about' grammar - except for the first few minutes; we were...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Nov 2, 2001 5:11 pm
... (Dennis) just to go back to this, should we add, "Did it help the learner to NOTICE?" I've only just managed to get hold of a copy of Scott's 'Uncovering...
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Brian Perkins
perkinsfam
Nov 2, 2001 7:38 pm
Hello all, I just wanted to ask your advice... (I've searched the archives but didn't find just the right brand of advice. ;) I am concerned that once I...
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sthornbury@...
scott_thornbury
Nov 2, 2001 7:53 pm
I've read Cook's book too, and, while I find some of his logical leaps dodgy in the extreme, I don't see that there is a huge contradiction between what he's...
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Brian Perkins
perkinsfam
Nov 2, 2001 10:10 pm
Hello again! Being a newbie, I'm somewhat hesitant to respond. But, what the ####! ... I wouldn't dare speak for anyone else. But, I don't perceive the group...
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jane arnold
janekayarnold
Nov 3, 2001 12:13 am
Wow. 18 interesting postings last time. I must admit some sort of organizational urge had also crossed my mind lately. A wild idea to have a dogme...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
fogarty@...
Nov 3, 2001 3:41 am
I don't know if you' ve received any advice as yet, Brian. Perhaps that's one are where we do fall down. Once again, theoretical debate has thrown open the...
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Dennis
dnewson2001
Nov 3, 2001 5:13 am
Thanks, Sue, for explaining that what you really did in your class was some language practice and examination of language use and not at all mere talk about...
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Olwyn Alexander
o.alexander@...
Nov 3, 2001 11:58 am
... From: jane arnold [mailto:arnold@...] Sent: 03 November 2001 00:30 ... insistent that we cannot waste our students' time with activities that don't...
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Karl Kaliski
kkaliski@...
Nov 3, 2001 12:37 pm
Dear Brian, CELTA can definitely be a very useful course to do. What actually happens on a CELTA course depends largely on the trainers/centre running it -...
