Much of the things that happen in my lessons are planned, but usually in a fairly loose way. I might take in a text of some kind and have a few ideas about how...
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Russell Kent
russkent321
Jul 2, 2005 8:54 am
... Russ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 30-6-2005...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 2, 2005 12:01 pm
... N S Prabhu mentions his book "Second Language Pedagogy" that "there is, intimately, no way of attributing, with any certainty, any specific piece of...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 2, 2005 12:07 pm
... Rather, "there is ultimately* - quick typing and a quicker spell check. All the commas are Prabhu's, and very nice indeed. Omar (who loves commas)...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 2, 2005 12:07 pm
... Rather, "there is ultimately* - quick typing and a quicker spell check. All the commas are Prabhu's, and very nice indeed. Omar (who loves commas ...
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Daniel Tourt
somethingfor...
Jul 2, 2005 12:42 pm
nickbilbrough <nickbilbrough@...> wrote: As a language learner I want to talk to people whose language is at a much higher level than mine so that they...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 2, 2005 1:11 pm
Omar likes commas. Probably out of print, but there is a lovely "programmed" book: 300 Commas Leonard L. West Ph.D. Gregg Division McGraw-Hill, 1964 CCC No...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 2, 2005 1:35 pm
I think what Dan and others in this thread are illustrating is that you can't in the real world just work from a purely theoretical - dogme or other -...
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Melanie King
meljking04
Jul 4, 2005 8:22 pm
Dennis, Nick, Daniel, Rob, Dogme is somehow not an "if you fancy it" kind of option and Dennis' point that you can't just apply dogme like a theory seems to...
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nickbilbrough
Jul 5, 2005 9:22 am
I certainly don't have all the tools Mel. That's why I lurk (and occasionally come out of the darkness) on this list. What I'm interested in now is what to do...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 5, 2005 10:35 am
Nick, A general thing that I think is that knowing when to listen and when and how to intervene are part of the art of teaching - and counselling. In therapy,...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 5, 2005 10:54 am
... They learn very little from it, if anything. We do not actively notice grammatical features, rather we notice successful communication - and most learners...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 5, 2005 11:33 am
Omar, What I find instructive about your anecdote is that it was you who had decided that it was time to find out what a certain word meant. You set the pace...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 5, 2005 12:26 pm
... Yes. That's true, and I'll never forget what it means either. But it did take me ten years to ask, and I think that was because I had never before really...
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Robert M. Haines
romiha1
Jul 6, 2005 3:13 am
Omar, you wrote: "I once stopped a friend as he was speaking to me in Arabic to ask him what the word "osta" meant. He was astonished. He said, "You've been ...
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Scott Thornbury
scott_thornbury
Jul 6, 2005 6:51 am
That was my thought too Rob, but I think Omar's point is that, if it took so long with such a high frequency item, what's the heuristic (that word again)...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 6, 2005 7:47 am
Scott, have you written or might you consider writing something, from an article upwards, entitled, or even subtitled, "Noticing Grammar" ? Sorry I can't...
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Russell Kent
russkent321
Jul 6, 2005 9:07 am
Hi Everyone, Sorry if this has gone out twice, but my server sent me a message saying that it was returned. ... I think the notions that Scott puts forward...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 6, 2005 9:35 am
Russell, In princple I like your suggestion of a corporate task. It rather depends, though, on how many volunteers you could raise. You can put me down on the...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 6, 2005 10:56 am
... Indeed I did notice this word, after ten years and after hearing it thousands of times without noticing it at all. This is noticing in the natural world....
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Scott Thornbury
scott_thornbury
Jul 6, 2005 10:58 am
I wrote an article for ELTJ a while back subtitled "Tasks that promote noticing". I can post up a copy on the dogme site, if you think its' worth it. Cheers,...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jul 6, 2005 11:09 am
Scott, Do please upload the ELTJ article - and thanks. Dennis...
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Halima Brewer
halibrewer
Jul 6, 2005 11:31 am
MCJ wrote:
> Robert M. Haines wrote:
>
> > Omar, if I'm not mistaken, your account of learning 'osta' is a
> > description of exactly what 'noticing' means to...
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José Antonio Santos
jacarta_2000
Jul 6, 2005 12:04 pm
Scott, please post up a copy of the article. Thanks. –José Santos _____ From: dogme@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dogme@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott...
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dogme@yahoogroups.com
Jul 6, 2005 12:37 pm
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the dogme group. File : /Noticing.doc ...
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Stephen O'Sullivan
sullyboy2002...
Jul 6, 2005 2:37 pm
Supposing somebody says (or you infer/they imply): "Will you do some of the noticing for me/us, teacher?" or "You don't do enough of the noticing for me/us." ...
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Robert M. Haines
romiha1
Jul 6, 2005 3:30 pm
Omar, I missed your point (which Scott has picked up on). You're obviously right to ask how we can promote noticing (Scott's 'engineered noticing'). In...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 6, 2005 6:02 pm
... Of these five, I think that boardwork is probably most conducive to engineered noticing, because the rest is ethereal and we cannot be certain what anyone...
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MCJ
omarjohns
Jul 6, 2005 6:27 pm
... It means taxi driver, most commonly as a vocative, ya osta! while addressing the driver. It started as Arabic "ustaz", a teacher or professor, went to...
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nickbilbrough
Jul 6, 2005 10:12 pm
Thanks Rob for trying to steer this all back to what happens in the classroom. When discussing lessons I've observed, I'm constantly trying to encourage...
