I've lifted this from another list and it is ***** something like 80 lines long. If that is too long for you.... !DELETE HERE! It is also a very readable...
... English syntax. ... but I could be quite, quite ... I may very well be an Other. :-) I'm not sure. At this point a fairly full description of what you find...
Well, friend Two-cents, I think what worried me about Fish's argument was that: -. He began by saying that students can't write well because they don't know...
A reaction to the article I reposted on the same list that was sent the article. "Our students in this society do not ever learn about the importance of...
Hi Everyone, I just think that Yoda is proof that the syntax can be all over the place, but the meaning is still conveyed. In fact, considering establishing I...
I think my real point is that although I accept the importance of structure (better because more normal (c.f. norm) communicatively than: Accept I structure...
Russ's "yoda-speak" inadvertnetly makes the point that syntax has less to with intelligibility than lexis: I was thrown, not by the jumbled word order, but by...
Re-reading my OWN (fairly incoherent) message, I realise that in fact neither syntax nor lexis matter as much as the way information is distributed in the...
... I agree. Discourse is crucial if we focus ourselves on communication rather than "correct" grammar and syntax. Indeed, communicative effectiveness should...
... Yoda a typo make did oops!! Word levy should have been. Russ ... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322...
... structure (better because ... imortance the of) I just ... creating a new language to ... that is the best way to improve ... least of all, expressing ... ...
... This was the argument for RP and for ignoring or actively suppressing Eubonics and other local or community varieties of English. If dogme is about...
I agree entirely with Omar's point of view. We should be teaching to the student's requirements and suppress any prejudices about language "norms" that we may...
Dear Twocents, How dare you accuse me of adopting a more moderate point of view? :-) :-) No, I stick by "scary" and "worrying"; to describe my reaction to...
When I first came to the inner-city (PC term for an urban area where many low-income people of color live), I started playing basketball with a group of kids...
Stephen Krashen also read the Fish article I copied here, and sent this letter to the N.Y. Times: Dennis ... Sent to the NY Times, June 1 Stanley Fish...
Hmm. A good discussion about the ethics of teaching. I really hope I don't cause anyone to become overheated. I mean that seriously and humbly. Permit me to...
... But I would point out that I actually added "Yes, we can point out the difference of the level they are currently at and, "literary norms", but ultimately...
Some of the most informative and enjoyable posts I've read on this list have included personal accounts/descriptions of classroom experiences. Not everyone on...
Russ writes he firmly believes that: "it is the student's decision as to how far along the language learning road they want to travel." I agree that this will...
Some porttions of my long post could be summed up thusly: 1) Blind spots... places where the learner has no idea he/she may be headed for a pitfall (read: job...
Hello Dogme, ... Yes. But I would express this in terms of teacher and learner control. The degree of control a teacher cedes to any group of learners depends ...
Hi Omar "A clown is a nice job. You get to travel and you meet lots of people. You are creative and you like people and you like to be with them. You like to...
... But don't forget, you don't get paid *that* much. Now if there's a smile on my face Don't let my glad expression Give you the wrong impression Don't let...
Not sure whether the following would readily transfer to students as there are possible culture issues as well as the linguistic ones. But it seems to be used...
Returning from three weeks of vacation, I found the students had enjoyed the substitute teacher's lessons immensely: singing "This Land is your Land..." while...
Rob, Do you know what jumped out at me from your account? That you seem to have to hire your own substitute before you can take a holiday - or were you buying...
