Hello All, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of months now after rejoining it. I'm not sure if anyone is out there at the moment or if you are all...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 2, 2001 9:17 pm
David, nice to hear from you again. Yeah, I think we're in a lull, something to do with the flocking behaviour of online discussion groups. Or just a...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Aug 3, 2001 8:51 am
For classwork, I try not to use any text too long to be written up on the board and copied. I like the change in pace as people copy. People often make quite...
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NetLearn Solutions
Eric@...
Aug 3, 2001 9:32 am
With apologies for cross-posting Final call for papers: The ELT online conference Presentation proposal deadline: 17 August 2001 The ELT online conference...
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jane arnold
arnold@...
Aug 5, 2001 10:06 pm
PURITY OR PRAGMATICS Unlike for most, it seems, summer is when it is easiest for me to grab a few minutes to get involved (no beaches handy) and since I’ve...
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kellogg@...
Aug 12, 2001 6:14 am
Ruth: On Saturday I play my annual gig at the Korean Association for Primary English Education. Although I have learned to show up for classes without...
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adrian.tennant
adrian.tennant@...
Aug 12, 2001 10:17 am
Dear Dave, Why is Dogme Teacher-fronted? you said:- On the one hand, there's this ethnographic study of Vietnamese classrooms by Sullivan that argues against...
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kellogg@...
Aug 14, 2001 3:20 am
Dr Evil (still around!): I don't think dogme has to be (teacher fronted), but I think it actually is, for pragmatic reasons as well as purist ones. Look at the...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
diarmuid@...
Aug 14, 2001 6:45 am
I'm new to the discussion group and as a father of a ten month old baby, I don't have the time or the money to go and browse all of the postings to the group...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Aug 14, 2001 9:20 am
Well-put. Freire's own take on dialogic teaching is quite revealing in that it acknowledges and indeed emphasises the responsibility of the teacher as someone...
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adrian.tennant
adrian.tennant@...
Aug 14, 2001 8:38 pm
Yes! I'd also like to say that to my mind the whole idea behind Dogme is that it focusses on the students and therefore needs to be student-fronted! The...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 14, 2001 8:52 pm
This brings to mind a spat in the ELT Journal a few years ago between - I think Robert O'Neil and maybe even our own Jeremy H (correct me if I'm wrong Jeremy)...
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kellogg@...
Aug 15, 2001 1:23 am
Well, that certainly took the lull out of the list! Unfortunately, I think I really agree with a lot of the disagreement. Remember I explicitly denied that...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
diarmuid@...
Aug 15, 2001 5:28 am
Dr Evil - interesting anagram or thrilling confession? You've got me intrigued! Your idea of dogme as student centred is interesting although I don't share it....
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sthornbury@...
Aug 15, 2001 7:24 am
How about dogme-style learning as being "teacher-scaffolded" (rather than -fronted, -centred, etc)? Or even just "other- scaffolded"?...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
diarmuid@...
Aug 15, 2001 11:02 am
Does it really matter? What is there to be gained by identifying it as one thing or another? This is a genuine question as opposed to a rhetorical putdown!...
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Jeremy Harmer
jeremy.harmer@...
Aug 15, 2001 2:05 pm
Hallo everyone from a sweltering loft on a real (if rare) British summer day. Scott, you're right about the 'spat' between me and Robert, though it's a kind...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 15, 2001 4:47 pm
Yes, Jeremy, but the dogme engineer would use only LOCAL materials to build his bridge - and of course the bridge would be scaffolded ;) Scott...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Aug 15, 2001 5:33 pm
My fear is that the 4-week C(ivil)E(ngineers)LTA graduate bridge would be elicited at great length from the construction workers, and then collapse because it...
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kellogg@...
Aug 17, 2001 3:12 am
Diarmuid: No apologies; just negotiation of meaning as usual! First of all, we're a list and very used to the natural rough and tumble created by people coming...
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dnewson@...
Aug 20, 2001 4:34 am
Sometimes I get lost trying to follow the relevance of these discussions, pinch myself and ask - "This list is about how best to enable learners to learn...
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kellogg@...
Aug 20, 2001 9:29 am
I have a funny story to tell about my presentation. At the very end, I was supposed to present some "solutions" to unsolveable problems created by the...
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David French
prawdziwyanglik@...
Aug 20, 2001 2:17 pm
Well said Dennis. I hope that on this list there will always be people dragging the discussion back to the classroom, with real classes and real learners...
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Diarmuid Fogarty
fogarty@...
Aug 21, 2001 4:52 am
As far as I am aware, this list is about a developing pedagogy, not solely about how best to enable learners to learn English. Discussions about the role of...
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Luke Meddings
luke@...
Aug 21, 2001 10:55 am
Worth checking the latest IATEFL Issues for a good example of how a false premise can be used to bolster a false argument. 'Computers vs. teachers or Computers...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 21, 2001 11:42 am
The IATEFL Issues article Luke refers to is a thinly disguised justification for the "multimedia" schools' approach (Wall St, Opening, and their scions), which...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 23, 2001 2:10 pm
Just to pick up on a thread that david F initiated last month, re reaing and dogme, there's a nice piece in the online Journal of the Imagination in Language...
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adrian.tennant
adrian.tennant@...
Aug 23, 2001 6:16 pm
Dear all, Just got back from a 2 day break in deepest darkest Wales - no computers, half the TV channels don't work (and the ones that do are a linguistic...
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sthornbury@...
Aug 24, 2001 9:36 pm
In response to Adrian's charge of "Luddism": Neil Postman (in Technopoly, 1992) describes the Luddites as "much- maligned": "Between 1811 and 1816, there...
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jane arnold
arnold@...
Aug 24, 2001 11:02 pm
In answer to Dr. E, of course none of us wants to have the Luddite label hung on us but I for one am also very wary of possible Emperor’s new suits....
