Also for a more general discussion about assessment this paper published in Educational Researcher Online is very interesting.: "The Role of Assessment in a...
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John Franklin Nelson
jfnelson61
Jan 1, 2004 8:18 pm
... would like to ... picture of any ... conclusions ... benefit ... etc. Zosia, You might like to look over writings by Lyle Bachman, now at UCLA (try a...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jan 1, 2004 9:17 pm
John, How good are you at assessing a learner's written English? I always thought I was pretty good and that two pages of A4 was more of a sample than I needed...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 8:33 am
... to realize that, within about 15 minutes of talking to ... level (especially compared with the thousands of ... frightens me the most is that I am rarely...
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John Franklin Nelson
jfnelson61
Jan 2, 2004 10:10 am
Dennis, I know what you mean. The linguistic competencies at play in producing written English really do seem to require using a different way to measure them....
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John Franklin Nelson
jfnelson61
Jan 2, 2004 11:04 am
... frustrating ... communicative ... me and ... I ... And I can do ... speaker', I ... assessment? I ... Dr Evil, ... speaker', I wonder how you know they are...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 1:28 pm
... great extent, listening ability, and, to a lesser extent, ... So how would you mark someone who said: Aah's gaan yem. or says, 'Axe' instead of 'Ask'. i.e....
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John Franklin Nelson
jfnelson61
Jan 2, 2004 3:40 pm
... appropriacy to a ... A lot of people in the neck of the woods where I grew up (Illinois, USA) pronounce "ask" as /aeks/, so as a stand-alone pronunciation...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 4:44 pm
Hi John, Basically all three were accepted variants of British English. They would, in fact, be very common in the speech of hundreds of thousands of people in...
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Halima
freespiritwo...
Jan 2, 2004 6:15 pm
Hang on, here. If someone said to me ay up midduk, in a situation where he/she knew I wasn't from Northern England and in a context where the phrase as a...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 7:32 pm
... he/she knew I wasn't from Northern England and > in a context where the phrase as a greeting would be at the very least ambiguous and possibly ...
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Halima
freespiritwo...
Jan 2, 2004 7:37 pm
... De: Adrian Tennant [mailto:adrian.tennant@...] Enviado el: viernes, 02 de enero de 2004 20:32 Para: dogme@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [dogme] Re:...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 7:43 pm
Dear Halima, The reason for the focus on native/non-native was that John originally ... 15 minutes of talking to any non-native speaker, I have > a darn good...
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Robert M. Haines
romiha1
Jan 2, 2004 9:22 pm
After reading the exchange between Adrian, John and Halima: I've been a certified IELTS assessor. I found it relatively easy to assess written and spoken...
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zosia grudzinska
zosienka46
Jan 2, 2004 9:47 pm
Adrian's examples reminded me of when I came to live in Newcastle, UK and the first contacts with blue-collar natives corrected my assupmtion that I could...
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Halima
freespiritwo...
Jan 2, 2004 9:48 pm
... De: Robert M. Haines [mailto:haines@...] Enviado el: viernes, 02 de enero de 2004 22:22 Para: Dogme Asunto: [dogme] Social interaction and language...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 2, 2004 10:01 pm
... when to modify their language eliminating ... far fewer problems speaking and understanding ... Interstingly enough, a couple of years ago I saw a talk by...
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Robert M. Haines
romiha1
Jan 2, 2004 11:30 pm
An interesting story about your son, Halima. Thanks. Question on your statement: "Most EFL learners need to do business or learn science or something like that...
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Halima
freespiritwo...
Jan 3, 2004 7:22 am
Only personal experience. So I could be way off. But if not for these reasons, WHY do people learn English? Travel, business, work, pleasure? And why is...
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Tom Topham
tom_topham
Jan 3, 2004 5:56 pm
... I'll add to the anecdotal evidence. My personal experience is that most all adults want to learn English for these reasons. Immigration, cultural interest,...
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Robert M. Haines
romiha1
Jan 3, 2004 10:17 pm
In response to Halima and Tom: I'm not convinced that any of us really knows what sort of instrumental and integrative motivation is at work within most...
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sthornbury@...
scott_thornbury
Jan 4, 2004 8:34 am
An interesting gloss on language and imperialism on today's BBC website - a piece by the presenter of 'Follow me', the televised English teaching programme ...
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Dafne
dygonza
Jan 4, 2004 8:58 am
Dear All, I am forwarding this information of FREE online sessions offered by TESOL for members and non-members of the organization Electronic Village (EV)...
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John T. DENNY
timdenny66
Jan 4, 2004 12:44 pm
Call for Presentations the 3rd annual Peace as a Global Language Conference September 24th, 25th and 26th 2004 at the Kyoto Museum for World Peace Ritsumeikan...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jan 5, 2004 6:38 am
Dr. E asks: "So how would you mark someone who said: Aah's gaan yem. or says, 'Axe' instead of 'Ask'. i.e. I axed you before. or Ay-up midduk Wouldn't you...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jan 5, 2004 7:49 am
Zosia writes of some Geordies: "I wonder whether they would pass the most lowly IELTS?" To pinch Rob's phrase..."without endorsing IELTS...", I gathered during...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 5, 2004 8:30 am
... accent, pronunciation need to be assessed? Well, Yes and No. Who decides what accent is acceptable? What accent, or form to teach? Isn't it an absurdity...
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Halima
freespiritwo...
Jan 5, 2004 8:49 am
... De: Adrian Tennant [mailto:adrian.tennant@...] Enviado el: lunes, 05 de enero de 2004 9:30 Para: dogme@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [dogme] Accents ......
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Jan 5, 2004 8:55 am
... relative competency in communication skills in a ... sort of international setting where concerns of an > international sort of audience are concerned. In...
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djn@...
dnewson2001
Jan 5, 2004 9:22 am
Dr. E. writes: "Isn't it an absurdity if a native speaker of English can't pass an English exam because their accent is unacceptable?!!!" I don't find it an...
