Maybe I was talking in my sleep (what OUGHT to be language turns out NAUGHT...yet I understand myself so well when I talk in my sleep....) I notice that I got...
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F. Mortes
mortes2000
Aug 1, 2002 7:54 am
For a laugh, take a look at http://homepage.mac.com/fmortes/gameover/PhotoAlbum6.html Those of you who are having a hard time sympathising with the struggling ...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Aug 1, 2002 8:16 am
Dr. E. writes: "there's still no proof that the way they /adults/ THINK they should learn works! in fact I'd go as far as to say there's proof it doesn't!" ...
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Fiona
fiotf
Aug 1, 2002 10:05 am
Just for the record, I'd say something like 'nooot' with a very open, long /o/ (between English and American, I guess), and something like o-it with open /o/...
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Fiona
fiotf
Aug 1, 2002 11:31 am
Just curiosity, but have Wall Street Inst. folded completely, or did they just take the overnight disappearing act option here in Tenerife? Leaving a lot of...
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F. Mortes
mortes2000
Aug 1, 2002 1:03 pm
Hi, Fiona! My info says it depends on each individual centre, i.e. some franchisees simply have shut the shop down and probably now looking into Zara or ...
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sthornbury@...
scott_thornbury
Aug 1, 2002 6:10 pm
Just a (long-ish) footnote to dk's musings on how best to raise consciousness about will and going to. There's a paper by Bardovi- Harlig in the latest issue...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Aug 2, 2002 6:45 am
In other words, do you have the wherewithal to create a socio-pragmatic situation at hand (as you do in what the Yanks like to call ESL) or do you have to make...
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lifang67
Aug 2, 2002 9:37 am
Rob: Europeans say "Yank" to talk about Americans--including southerners. Southerners use it to talk about all northerners, northerners use it to talk about...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Aug 3, 2002 1:59 am
So, in answer to your question, the word "Yank" is not locally derogatory when I say "what the Yanks call ESL". Isn't this a global e-group, ie people from all...
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lifang67
Aug 3, 2002 2:52 am
Rob: Yes, subjectivity--or rather inter-subjectivity--is the key issue here, as in much of dogme. Scot talked about how "derogatory" words are appropriated by...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Aug 3, 2002 3:52 am
dk writes, inter a great deal of ingenuous alia: "Actually, ESL/EFL is not a very deep distinction at all." I don't agree at all, and, more importantly, nor do...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Aug 3, 2002 4:15 am
lifand67: The question you really need to ask is whether the distinction made in that sentence is a derogatory one or not. romiha1: Question: Is "Yank" a...
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Tom Topham
tom_topham
Aug 3, 2002 5:39 am
... I object to the preposition as being an example of hidden anti-dogme thought rising to the surface. Someone must have tongue in cheek, not sure if it is...
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Tom Topham
tom_topham
Aug 3, 2002 5:55 am
... My little boy seems to have picked up "gunna" very quickly, in the context of prediction, as in your clouds example. On reflection, I often ask him "are...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Aug 3, 2002 7:37 am
... I looked up the word 'Yank' in 3 of my dictionaries and none of them said it was derogatory. In fact, the meaning was clearly uniform - as in 'pull'. The...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Aug 3, 2002 7:57 am
When I was at primary school in the 40s, "Yank" was certainly derogatory, as in: Old father Hubbard, When to the cupboard To get his poor dog a bone But when...
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dnewson2001
Aug 3, 2002 8:07 am
I've been thinking about the study Scott referred to by Bardovi-Harlig. Couldn't you sum of the gist of what is apparently said as: " Expose learners to as...
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scott_thornbury
Aug 3, 2002 2:12 pm
... Harlig. ... Yes, absolutely, but with the proviso that the authentic language to which they're exposed should be located in its typical contexts of use....
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Professor Reineman
claralechuza
Aug 3, 2002 7:18 pm
Tom asked about some kind of end-all reflctive testing. I just finished teaching a 3rd quarter Spanish class, and the students' final exam was: Write an...
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kellogg
lifang67
Aug 4, 2002 2:46 am
I'm writing stuff for my next class on Elementary English Education, and I have to teach my kids to teach their kids the sentence "What's this?" My first...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Aug 4, 2002 4:28 am
dk asks me: "Dennis: I'm not sure what you mean by "ingenous";. If you mean "ingenious" I accept the compliment. If you mean "disingenous", you should say so...
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dnewson2001
Aug 4, 2002 9:02 am
Scott agreed that a sensible aim is to expose learners to as much authentic language as possible " with the proviso that the authentic language to which...
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Richard Samson
rmisw
Aug 5, 2002 9:40 am
Conversational input Scott recently recommended repeated use of "I think it's going to rain", when looking out of the window on a cloudy day, as a way for a...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Aug 5, 2002 9:57 am
Richard writes: "I accept that there must be some cause/effect chain between exposure and learning. But in my experience the relationship is very indirect." ...
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Tom Topham
tom_topham
Aug 5, 2002 12:43 pm
... Funny you mention it, I find that after a beer or two with students (at end of course or what have you), the "onamatopeia game" usually fills some time ...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Aug 5, 2002 2:28 pm
Richard Samson writes: "But none of the students at any level "picked up the expression". If I waited for them to suggest a break instead of me, none of them...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Aug 5, 2002 2:47 pm
Richard's example is interesting. perhaps the students were just too enamoured with the meaning - or the meaning was just TOO obvious - so the form got...
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Sue Murray
suemurrayit
Aug 5, 2002 2:50 pm
... there's an interesting article in July's ELTJ which sort of relates both to this question, and indirectly to dk's idea about classroom corpuses ("Two...
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Adrian Tennant
adriantennant
Aug 5, 2002 4:46 pm
... Useful? I'm not sure. If you take the weather forecast in Britain 'going to' is not used that often (although it is more frequent than the textbook 'will'...
