Sorry, link here ________________________________ From: Steven Bower <lathophobia@...> To: dogme@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 1 September, 2010 5:44:12...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 1, 2010 7:36 am
According to Steven Pinker in The Language Instinct (p.233), GENDER is is not a synonym of 'sex' (i.e. male vs. female vs. object), but a class including:...
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Steven Bower
lathophobia
Sep 1, 2010 10:44 am
dammit, link won't work for some reason. http://giaklamata.blogspot.com/2009/05/wangkajunga-have-word-for-it.html ________________________________ From: Steven...
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fiotf
Sep 1, 2010 10:55 am
Rob, for Tisch and table and mesa and tavola etc etc, have a dip into Saussure - he's cropped up before on this list, so you could trawl the archives (it was...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Sep 1, 2010 3:47 pm
Hi Barbara, The website attached to this link is blocked, at least from the country I'm in (USA). But I happen to have the book (even read it some time ago),...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Sep 1, 2010 4:26 pm
Thanks, Steven. I enjoyed reading the blog entry. As a 'language fancier' and visitor to Greece, I find your blog interesting. Would love to chat off-list...
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Steven Bower
lathophobia
Sep 1, 2010 6:21 pm
Thanks Robert, glad you enjoyed it. E-mail me off-list any time you like, so we don't get off topic on dogme. Steve ________________________________ From:...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 1, 2010 6:22 pm
Hi Rob, Sorry you can't access that site, it's the whole book on pdf and I can access it from the UK. Could I try and send it as an attachment for those who...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Sep 1, 2010 6:34 pm
You could try to post it to the files section. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dogme/files/ Rob ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 2, 2010 6:06 am
And does our changing but continuous culture shape our language and its evolution? And when we try to get to that thing we call 'human language' and/or...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 2, 2010 6:12 am
I think we have to keep in mind that the term is used outside of linguistics, and that even within linguistics, the term could have different meanings:...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 2, 2010 6:18 am
I think it was raised as a point of discussion here a couple years ago, but I can't remember any discussion of it. ...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Sep 2, 2010 7:39 am
And, Charles, and Rob and Steve and Barbara and list, the corner, or tiny stretch somewhere along the wainscoting of this discussion that intrigues me is...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 2, 2010 10:28 am
Dear Dennis and all, I'm Italian and Italian has 5 written vowels, like English, 6 phonemic ones (making minimal pairs) and 7 vowel sounds. Not only I don't...
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Dennis Newson
dnewson2001
Sep 2, 2010 10:47 am
Barbara, Thanks very much for that, especially the " "Mi e' venuta la depressione"" example, though at least the language adopts the useful assumption that ...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 2, 2010 12:02 pm
Dear Dennis, You're right (and sorry for the 'depressive' digression), that was not too clear. As you say, when you write, in English or Italian, you learn...
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Halima Brewer
halibrewer
Sep 2, 2010 12:11 pm
Is all of this not confusing language with culture? In China, for example when I was training teachers, we had to extend some Chinese to encompass "negotiate"...
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Robert Haines
romiha1
Sep 2, 2010 3:33 pm
Charles, fellow list members, When in doubt check the archives. Post #6721 by Scott on Minimally Invasive Education (MIE) is one place to start exploring the...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 2, 2010 4:01 pm
Hi all, Just to let you know that I've uploaded S. Pinker's The Language Instinct in: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dogme/files/ Barbara "thaes ofereode;...
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Steven Bower
lathophobia
Sep 2, 2010 8:03 pm
I think Halima is absolutely right. It seems barmy to me to suggest that the grammar and vocabulary of one's langage limit the thoughts one is capable of ...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 3, 2010 3:28 am
I did check the archives. There was one post on it and then nothing else followed. I would have no idea whatsoever to use the term 'minimally invasive...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 3, 2010 3:41 am
... This part interests me because I would say that the whole concept of the 'phoneme' is part of ELT dogma, inherited from structuralism. It's also...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 3, 2010 4:36 am
... I think standard accounts of 'standard' Italian say 7 vowels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Italian_vowel_chart.gif Take 'phonemic' discussions of...
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barbara bianchi
slesia1
Sep 3, 2010 8:59 am
The OED definition of phoneme is: PHONEME: A unit of sound in a language that cannot be analysed into smaller linear units and that can distinguish one word...
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Bruno Leys
leysbruno
Sep 3, 2010 9:05 am
The definition of 'phoneme' I have always used is: "The smallest unit of sound that can bring about a change of meaning" I'm not really sure where it stems...
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fiotf
Sep 3, 2010 9:07 am
OK. And how does all that translate and or become relevant and applicable to your average student in your average secondary school / language academy /language...
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Slesia
slesia1
Sep 3, 2010 10:03 am
Exactly! I think we're saying the same thing in different words ;) BB...
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Slesia
slesia1
Sep 3, 2010 10:06 am
Fiona, You're absolutely right, we've been sidetracked a bit. Apologies. Having said this, I think understading language(s) (the one you're teaching and maybe...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 4, 2010 12:17 am
... What could we possibly mean by 'unit' here? Why do we mean by 'linear units'? For some, the phoneme is a pscyholinguistic category, hence the talk of...
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literacyacrosscultures
literacyacro...
Sep 4, 2010 12:24 am
... Well I think telling students that there are 36-50 'phonemes' of English might be a bunch of dogmatic nonsense we perpetuate. For one thing, even taking...
